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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:34 PM
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P..... E..... R..... J..... U......R .......Y
"It's the perjury"


:popcorn:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:35 PM
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1. "It's not about the sex, it's about the perjury"
How many times did we have to listen to that line?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:37 PM
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RULE OF LAW
another DUer pointed that little gem out
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:48 PM
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16. Oh, yes!
We shouldn't forget that one!
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:37 PM
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2. this time - its about the war and the purjury
two feet to the flame **, you motherfukka!
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:38 PM
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3. lol we should have our own line:
"it's not about the treason, it's about the perjury" :-P
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:39 PM
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4. excellent! nt
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:43 PM
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9. WHAT WILL WE TELL THE CHILDREN???!!??
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:55 PM
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18. LOL
that one is priceless. What do we tell the children about lying to get us into a war, Midori? :o
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:10 PM
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26. er, um
FREEDOM'S ON THE MARCH :D
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:14 PM
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28. Even sadder - what do we tell the parents?
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 09:15 PM by Sydnie
The parents of all the soldiers lost due to their hubris. Lied to get us into this war and this little perjury is just the beginning of the unraveling of this whole story.

Yes, what do we tell the parents, both here and in Iraq?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:06 PM
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36. Another one.
God, I heard that crappy line so much during Penisgate that I could still barf.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:10 PM
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25. no, it's still about treason to me
Yes, perjury is a start... but, treason is much, much bigger than that.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:13 PM
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27. ROFL
That would make an excellent bumper sticker.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:20 PM
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30. I'll file that
in my memory bank. Good one. Now where did I put my memory bank?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:05 PM
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35. Excellent.
I will use your line, renegade000!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:51 PM
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17. Yes, but that only applies to Democrats that right wing neo-cons...
...controlling the republican party want to take out!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:39 PM
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5. KEY: At Least Perjury
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:46 PM
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14. As another DUer pointed out: Perjury implies there is something worse
to hide other than lying about an outing.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:47 PM
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15. True, but i would rather be shouting TREASON
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:39 PM
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6. And it's a stinking heaping pile of perjury too
Not just Rove..but LIBBY too.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:41 PM
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7. Don't forget "Obstruction of Justice"
& possibly TREASON. A guy can dream, can't he?


Keith’s Barbeque Central
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:09 PM
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23. OT: I love your SMARMY pic...LOL! n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:43 PM
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8. don't you think..
the way the judges have said this case is too important to national security that its more than perjury? just asking but reading what the judge said and the pages he left out of his ruling about the journalists ..he was infatic it was a national security issue..that would lkead me to believe its more than perjury, alot more than perjury..

just asking..but i was reading the judges ruling today..and it seems to me its alot more involved with something much more serious..not that perjury is not serious but it doesn't fall heavily of national security..but maybe i am wrong about that..i just don't know...



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:45 PM
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10. You are right ....
perjury simply means they were lying about something more important.
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Steven_S Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:56 PM
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19. Their big mouths not only shut Plame down....
but shut down the front company Brewster-Jennings, and all their sources and assets are compromised.

Of course it's national security related, but what is obvious at this point in time is:

Perjury

Obstruction

Conspiracy

At a minimum.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:09 PM
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24. i want ...
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 09:10 PM by flyarm
it all!!!!!!!! i am not greedy but ..give em the book on it all!!

and 10 years for treason!! an orange jumpsuit and shackles like they put susan mc dougal in!!..hands and ankles!!

and if i was < really > greedy i would have slivers under their fingernails and a hood over their heads.. on a box in a prison in iraq!
or a dog with teeth bared.. with a collar on their neck..and a soldier with thumbs up and a cigarette dangling from his or her mouth while they were on a cement floor in their own ....poo poo!

wow i am greedy after all!!

from Steven_S

but shut down the front company Brewster-Jennings, and all their sources and assets are compromised.

Of course it's national security related, but what is obvious at this point in time is:

Perjury

Obstruction

Conspiracy

At a minimum.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:48 PM
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34. Maybe you are onto something.
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 09:50 PM by JohnyCanuck
Justin Raimondo from www.antiwar.com has an article that explores some of the possibilities as to what Fitzgerald is really investigating.

Patrick J. 'Bulldog' Fitzgerald, American Insurgent

Occupied Washington under siege
by Justin Raimondo

In media reports of the Plame investigation, the assumption is that Fitzgerald is investigating a possible violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which makes it a crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of $50,000 to "out" a CIA agent. However, the conditions attached to this statute are so specific – the outer must know the agent is a covert operative, and must be motivated by a desire to obstruct or otherwise damage U.S. national security interests – that a conviction seems highly problematic. As a fallback, we are bombarded with the cliché that "the cover-up is worse than the crime," but surely charges of perjury are not, by themselves, enough to incite seismic convulsions so strong that they are shaking the foundations of the Washington power structure.

The main thrust of this investigation – as well as parallel investigations into similar breaches of U.S. national security in recent days – is aimed at the "disinformation campaign" described in that footnote to the Senate intelligence report. Who ran that campaign, and on whose behalf – what government officials were in on it, and what help, if any, did they receive from foreign intelligence agencies? These are all questions, I believe, to which Fitzgerald is seeking answers. The Plame investigation is the result of the FBI's counterintelligence efforts, which have apparently uncovered the roots of the "disinformation campaign" referred to in the Senate report. The esteemed senators on the intelligence committee were too cowardly to dig too deeply into it, but "Bulldog" Fitzgerald is kicking up a lot of dirt.

What the outing of CIA agent Plame has to do with all this is simple: whoever was out to get Wilson as a Mama's boy with a partisan agenda was also pushing the Niger uranium story. They knew its falsity, and what's more, they knew its provenance – and yet they ushered it, unexamined, through the intelligence-vetting process. The outing of Plame, which was part of the cover-up, wasn't the only blow aimed at U.S. intelligence capabilities by this group: whoever outed Plame also injected corrupted intelligence into the information stream that eventually washed up on the president's desk. Somebody burned the White House, and badly: that's why the Fitzgerald investigation has been allowed to proceed, and why it involves a lot more than violation of an obscure statute that has only been successfully prosecuted once.

<snip>

It's not about Rove, Bob Novak, Judith Miller, or any of the other bit players caught up in this maelstrom. It's about a small group of strategically placed players in the national security bureaucracy who functioned as a two-way transmission belt of treason: feeding the White House, Congress, and the American public a steady diet of lies in the guise of "intelligence," and, in the other direction, feeding vital U.S. secrets to its foreign sponsors and allies, including not only Israel but also Iran (the latter via Ahmed Chalabi).

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6711

One question that I have regarding Raimondo's article is where he says the White House felt it got "burned" by the bogus intelligence on the supposed purchase of Uranium from Niger by Saddam. In other words, Raimondo implies that in his opinion the White House honestly thought it was genuine information they were working with. I suppose it's possible that the Sock Puppet Chimp believed whatever BS he was told about the reliability of this information, but I find it hard to believe that Big Dick didn't know it was all horseshit. If they really didn't know they were being set up and being fed disinfo, it's their own damned fault for being such a bunch of incompetent fuckups that they let their greed and desire to get their eagerly anticipated war on cloud their judgement.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:46 PM
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11. Dream The Impossible
C-O-N-S-P-I-R-A-C-Y

If Rove claims he didn't have the memo, see the memo, only heard about it...then there's someone else involved here, eh? Not a single person, but several involved in sliming the Wilson? That's a texbook conspiracy.

Yes, I dream the impossible...and to add to the fun, I see Fitzgerald invoking Rico statues that would make this trial resemble that of taking apart the mafia. Ironic, isn't it...
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:46 PM
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12. Once this comes out we better be shoving this down their throats
We should also demand to know why all the LIES, what else do they have to hide? We should attack every piece of shit repuke who defended Rove as well as the ones who undoubtedly still will be.

Bash them over the head with their own hypocrisy.

They can't get away with Rove being the victim of a "smear campaign" and they know it.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:46 PM
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13. Throw in Obstruction and Conspiracy, too
G-U-A-R-A-N-T-E-E-D

Espionage is also highly likely.

And we're definitely getting in the range of treason.
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:01 PM
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21. Then on to war crimes, torture and murder. I hope the batch of
lying,arrogant psycopaths in this administration are put away for a very long time.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:05 PM
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22. Fraud looms LARGE...
§ 1030. Fraud and related activity in connection with computers

(a) Whoever—
(1) having knowingly accessed a computer without authorization or exceeding authorized access, and by means of such conduct having obtained information that has been determined by the United States Government pursuant to an Executive order or statute to require protection against unauthorized disclosure for reasons of national defense or foreign relations, or any restricted data, as defined in paragraph y. of section 11 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, with reason to believe that such information so obtained could be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation willfully communicates, delivers, transmits, or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

(d)
(1) The United States Secret Service shall, in addition to any other agency having such authority, have the authority to investigate offenses under this section.
(2) The Federal Bureau of Investigation shall have primary authority to investigate offenses under subsection (a)(1) for any cases involving espionage, foreign counterintelligence, information protected against unauthorized disclosure for reasons of national defense or foreign relations, or Restricted Data (as that term is defined in section 11y of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 (42 U.S.C. 2014 (y)), except for offenses affecting the duties of the United States Secret Service pursuant to section 3056 (a) of this title.
(3) Such authority shall be exercised in accordance with an agreement which shall be entered into by the Secretary of the Treasury and the Attorney General.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:58 PM
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20. Dear President Lepetomane: Do you hear footsteps?
Slowly up the chain we go... I'm SOOOO lovin this :D
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:16 PM
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29. Work Work Work... Hello Boys, I've missed you ..... n/m
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:26 PM
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31. Gentlemen! We've got to protect our phony baloney jobs!!
Harrrumph!! :rofl:
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:28 PM
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32. "I didn't get a Harrumph from that guy!!" n/m
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:30 PM
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33. Give the Governor An Harrumph!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:16 PM
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37. The same first two letters as penis.
Maybe this'll get traction after all.



(I'm in the conspiracy/obstruction group, though)
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:27 PM
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38. RULE OF LAW
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 09:29 PM by Jawja
Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law!Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law! Rule of law!

:bounce:
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:37 PM
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39. T...R...E...A...S...O...N
"It's the treason"


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