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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:43 PM
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Well, I'm officially worried.
Plame looks like it's about to blow up in bushco's face big time.

As AMERICAblog puts it, "We've got the Washington Post, the New York Times, Bloomberg and, of all publications, the friggin' Wall Street Journal all competing to be THE news service that breaks the true story of what the White House did with regards to RoveGate."

And we're supposed to assume bushco has no contingency plan?

There doesn't seem to be too much that could possibly take Plame off the front pages for now, and that is precisely what has me worried.

Oh, God, I hope I'm wrong.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:45 PM
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1. You are not the only one
I agree, the question is what will they do?

God this is about to hit the ocilatory rotating device, and it may finally be time to duck and cover. But this is not Nixon, at least Nixon had the good sense to ahem step down after ironically poppy told him... but junior... I agree time to worry.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:08 AM
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20. Nixon resigned, but
But that was over nine months after Nixon caused a significant Constitutional Crisis by firing the Special Prosecutor. If *** tries that stunt, I'm not sure it will have as positive an outcome as it did in Watergate.

We aren't even close to official House or Senate hearings on this. And that isn't about to happen in this Congress. So although comparisons to Watergate are inevitable, this is a much more precarious situation for the opposition party. With near one-party rule, it's very difficult to predict what will happen.

I think what is going to happen is that *** and his cronies are all going to go down *hard*. No criminal element like *** can exist for long. But I am very worried about how much of our republic will be left standing when they hit bottom.


You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all the people some of the time. But you can't fool all the people all the time.
Abraham Lincoln, 1st Republican President of the United States.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:54 AM
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29. I agree
there are days I worry that we will get a shooting civil war....

Or martial law
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oddtext Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:45 PM
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2. that's what i'm thinking . . .
i thought bushco would fight the fire of plame with the fire of an insane nomination to the supreme court like terri schiavo's mother, or james dobson.

they haven't. it must, therefore, be something truly dreadful.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:47 PM
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4. They tried but the Dems decided not to byte
at least unitl the numination hearings
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AuntieM1957 Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:50 PM
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9. Hmmm...
well, worrying won't change it - so I don't see the point in that.

but, if it helps - based on what I've read and seen on the other side - and from the K&R show played here in the Lone Star State -

I don't think they saw this one coming. And they ain't the brightest bulbs in the box. So, unless someone else told them what to do - they are not planners - just relentess executors.

Our best hope is to rope the dopes - because they don't have a plan for this one. We just have to keep it up and keep them off balance.

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:47 PM
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3. Same here.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:48 PM
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5. they are going to start checking bag on NYC subway tomorrow
bush is going on vacation for a month again
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:50 PM
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10. yep. there are no coinky-dinks anymore.
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 11:55 PM by libnnc
they'll be cooking up something for sure. :scared:

edit to add: So if Bloomie was so concerned about Subway safety, why didn't he call for these searches after the first London Underground bombing? The timing here is interesting. This Rove thing didn't start picking up steam on the tee-vee until the last few days.
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AuntieM1957 Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:54 PM
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12. yipee cayeh
Planning a party at my house to welcome the honorable President back to the Lone Star State.

Pretzels and near-beer for everybody. Then, we're going for a long bike ride.

7PM Saturday July 29th. Be there or be Republican't.



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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:48 PM
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6. I think the plan was that Roberts was going to take the bad news away
Clearly that didn't work, and I must say I'm a bit surprised that it didn't. Maybe Bushco is surprised as well, though I can't remember them fumbling a media cycle quite so badly.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:48 PM
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7. I want you to be 100% wrong...
...but I'm afraid you won't be.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:49 PM
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8. my old man
preached that worrying was a sin. think about what good it does. just be prepared and react to whatever they throw at us. this administration is pure evil, capable of anything. they have proved that, but we have proved our resiliance and perseverance. we seek the truth, and that is noble.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:51 PM
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11. Whatever those ratbastards have in mind...we'll get through it.
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 11:52 PM by fooj
Those maniacal madmen stole both elections but they can't steal the heart, soul and determination of the American people. They'll try to break our spirit but we won't let them.

Truth is our most powerful weapon.

Peace.:patriot:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:55 PM
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13. This is slightly off subject but who do you suppose was talking to the
media today ? Do you think Fitz feels it necessary to give up some info/privacy or is this the WH yapping in an effort to try and spin the inevitable bad news ?
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:13 AM
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23. I think the second alternative is probably right
Fitzgerald doesn't need to sway public opinion and isn't the one doing the leaking. The leaks are coming from Rove's attorney and from the White House. The memos, other documents, testimony, etc. WILL eventually come out, as you correctly surmise. BushCo wants to get ahead of the spin cycle and influence public opinion. Note that the Washington Post story made of point of saying that Rove denied ever having seen the top secret memo on Air Force One. Of course, that leaked memo came from Rove's attorney. Expect even more frantic leaking if they get wind that indictments are about to be returned by the Grand Jury. They will attempt to try the case first in the court of public opinion, especially if there's no clear and final coup de grace or smoking gun but only "he said - she said" type of eyewitness testimony.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:19 AM
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26. exactly
i agree...
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:55 PM
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14. Molly Ivins says bush is good at offense, but not
so good at playing defense.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:12 AM
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21. how will the giggling murderer defend treason?
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:19 AM
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25. And she tried to convey that to Mr. Kerry over and over. n/t
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 10:00 AM
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34. august
killed Kerry. He didn't have the money to launch an offense even if he took her advice.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:56 PM
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15. Abu Ghraib photos could steal the front pages
Aren't the new batch supposed to be released later today?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:02 AM
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18. Yeah, they are.... all the more reason to be concerned....
Bu*hevic history seems to repeat itself.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:12 AM
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22. I think those photos will help connect the dots and inflame it even more
Brings it all full circle. You lied to get us into a war that has our young soldiers committing crimes like the ones in these pictures and these documents. Wilson was trying to stop this from happening on so many levels. That is the way we need to frame these new pictures and help the blivet** voters to see that elections matter and have life and death consequences.

Had they listened to Wilson and allowed the inspectors to complete the job, rather than "sex up" the intelligence, we wouldn't be in any of this mess now.

We need to ask the voters - "How do you like him now?" loudly and often.

Connect the dots - each one teach one, now more than ever.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:58 PM
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16. He did not have a contingency plan for Iraq and Afghanistan
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 11:58 PM by rumpel
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:01 AM
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17. I'm heading off to get the kids from camp tommorrow...
2 days on the road, grab kiddies, head to our place. No more SF Bay Area..... we'll be at our CO cabin for 2 weeks. I like the timing.

I discovered tin-foil 2+ years ago.... sometimes it fit sooo well.

Ya never know when Bu*hit will hit the fan.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:05 AM
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19. I'm going to disagree
Bush can't take another 9/11 on his watch. Even the London bombings didn't do squat for his ratings. How many more bombs before Blair is forced to pull his troops?

Assuming something bad happened, what happens then? Martial law? But wait, it's only 2005.

I can't see how a disaster would do anything for this situation right now. Fitz is going to keep on going despite any news coverage.

They're going to have to be waaay slicker than that to get out of the Plame Game. Watch for weasel words and executive pardons. That's my prediction.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:16 AM
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24. Actually, the investigation is where I have hope,
not apprehension. I'm more worried bush will last long enough to pick two justices and put civil liberties on permanent hold, but not that he will bomb us.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:33 AM
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27. Will they unplug Rehnquist and make it a two-fer?
get a little more mileage out of that story?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:52 AM
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28. All they'll have to do is "find" something in someone's
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 12:53 AM by EC
bag and they can say there are terrorists here, and put the country in lock down...don't have to have a real attack anymore, they've got the Patriot Act now...
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 10:08 AM
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35. this is the kind of thing that worries me
you're right, they don't have to have an actual disaster, just some excuse to declare martial law (it doesn't feel too far from that now anyway, at least in DC), you know, "for everyone's safety and security"...
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 01:11 AM
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30. I'm worried too.... eom
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 01:20 AM
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31. Its crossed my mind but im not worried....yet
We still have a ways to go before their backs are really up against the wall.

First we have to see if Fitzgerald actually indicts Rove/Libby and not some patsies who are made to take the fall alone like with Abu Ghraib.It looks good so far but Ill believe it when I see it.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 02:13 AM
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32. martial law and nuclear 9/11 part 2
That's his contingency plan. And he'll nuke Iran in "retaliation," with all kinds of fabricated evidence.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 02:15 AM
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33. Omg the minute man militia
Now thats too battle star galactica is it?
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