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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:34 AM
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Crazy Noam Chomsky denies the unique moral virtue of the United States
And, strangely enough, makes his point. Surely the paragraph about hanging certain intellectuals from lamps posts should make more than a few people uneasy. I'm kidding, of course. Let's go bomb some more Iraqi women and children, OK! Global freedom demands nothing less! Stay the course! McCain/Bayh in 2008!

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=11&ItemID=8347

The resort to fear by systems of power to discipline the domestic population has left a long and terrible trail of bloodshed and suffering which we ignore at our peril. Recent history provides many shocking illustrations.

The mid-twentieth century witnessed perhaps the most awful crimes since the Mongol invasions. The most savage were carried out where western civilisation had achieved its greatest splendours. Germany was a leading centre of the sciences, the arts and literature, humanistic scholarship, and other memorable achievements. Prior to World War I, before anti-German hysteria was fanned in the West, Germany had been regarded by American political scientists as a model democracy as well, to be emulated by the West. In the mid-1930s, Germany was driven within a few years to a level of barbarism that has few historical counterparts. That was true, most notably, among the most educated and civilised sectors of the population.

In his remarkable diaries of his life as a Jew under Nazism — escaping the gas chambers by a near miracle — Victor Klemperer writes these words about a German professor friend whom he had much admired, but who had finally joined the pack: “If one day the situation were reversed and the fate of the vanquished lay in my hands, then I would let all the ordinary folk go and even some of the leaders, who might perhaps after all have had honourable intentions and not known what they were doing. But I would have all the intellectuals strung up, and the professors three feet higher than the rest; they would be left hanging from the lamp posts for as long as was compatible with hygiene.”

Klemperer’s reactions were merited, and generalised to a large part of recorded history.

Complex historical events always have many causes. One crucial factor in this case was skillful manipulation of fear. The “ordinary folk” were driven to fear of a Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy to take over the world, placing the very survival of the people of Germany at risk. Extreme measures were therefore necessary, in “self-defence”. Revered intellectuals went far beyond.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:39 AM
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1. 'unique' is one way to put it...
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:45 AM
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2. IMHO that "crazy" guy is one of the prophets of our time and we ignore
his warnings at our own peril!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:51 AM
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3. "unique American moral virtue"--just a permutation of the old "American
exceptionlism"---it has been around since the founding of the Republic.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:55 AM
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4. crazy? this is soft-pedaled if anything
He's probably trying to avoid getting put on a no-fly list.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 08:13 AM
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5. I like Chomsky's writing because its like reading historical perspectives.
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 08:18 AM by oc2002
That is never discussed in formal lectures or class rooms.

He does go somewhat more into details that I like to read more about to see if his analysis or analogies are applicable.

In this case, he is on target on raising the warning flags of a democracy being pushed by the frenzy of fear into a more totalitarian fascist state.

Just look at the patriot act is now being made PERMANENT dissolution of privacy and rights are a major leap in that direction.

this last paragraph should be framed and put over every arch in Washington.

"…The rhetorical framework rests on three pillars (Weeks): “the assumption of the unique moral virtue of the United States, the assertion of its mission to redeem the world” by spreading its professed ideals and the ‘American way of life,’ and the faith in the nation’s “divinely ordained destiny”. The theological framework undercuts reasoned debate, and reduces policy issues to a choice between Good and Evil, thus reducing the threat of democracy. Critics can be dismissed as “anti-American,” an interesting concept borrowed from the lexicon of totalitarianism. And the population must huddle under the umbrella of power, in fear that its way of life and destiny are under imminent threat…"
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 08:38 AM
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6. Please read the book he mentions.
I have and found it the most chilling account of how fascism rises and operates in "civilized" society while the people succumb to the propaganda of "patriotism" and look the other way.

Anyone who thinks "it can't happen here" after reading it, would have to be willfully blind to what "is happening here".
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back2basics909 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 08:42 AM
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7. Chomskys logic is flawless...
... if you don't agree with him, you don't understand logic.

One of two historical points of his can be qustioned. But his logical analasis is pretty clear perfect... as one would expect it tobe in his position.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:29 AM
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9. What's your point?
I DO agree with him.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 08:43 AM
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8. I think the Klemperer quote is a little bit of a stretch...
Given that NO ONE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION will listen to an intellectual or a professor...

But the gist of the essay seems to be very relevant, given today's sorry state of affairs...
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:37 AM
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10. I don't think it's a stretch
if you think about the bought-and-paid-for intellectuals/professors that the right wing employs. Especially those that work to "debunk" climate change.

Like it or not, there are RW intellectuals. There are a lot of smart and evil people on the other side. Hell, look at the Supreme Court - as much as I despise some of the RW'ers on there, I won't deny that they are intellectual.

none of the level of Choamsky, of course....

and of course, I am not advocating the stringing up of anyone...
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 02:17 PM
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13. He's not quoting Klemperer, he's quoting what a German said to him.
Klemperer didn't say it. Klemperer recorded in his diary what a fellow professor said to him about stringing up intellectuals. Read the post again.
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MattSWin Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 10:34 AM
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11. Noam Chomsky is just plain nutty....
He sounds like a right-winger the way he goes off on FDR.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 10:37 AM
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12. hahaha
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