House passes PATRIOT Act , How Did Your US Representative Vote?

[G_j]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0722-07.htm

Published on Friday, July 22, 2005 by the San Francisco Chronicle

House Votes to Keep Anti-Terror Law
But Senate version puts more limits on federal agents

by Edward Epstein

WASHINGTON -- The House, overriding fears that Americans' freedoms are being restricted, voted to make permanent provisions of the Patriot Act that gave authorities more investigative power in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Lawmakers voted 257-171 Thursday to make permanent 14 of the Patriot Act's 16 sections that are scheduled to expire in December, rejecting the civil liberties concerns of Democrats and some Republicans who wanted to limit several provisions of the anti-terrorism law.


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How Did Your US Representative Vote?

Roll Call 414 - HR 3199 - USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Act

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll414.xml

[Catholic Sensation]

1. my rep voted aye

[ixion]

2. I'm sorry, but no true American voted for this, IMO

it just makes me :puke:

[liveoaktx]

76. Some vidclips from the debates yesterday-Dems that make you proud

plus one, gasp, Republican

Engel

Moran

Waters

Eshoo

Rohrbacher

[ixion]

93. awesome!

thanks! :hi:

[prodigal_green]

3. My guy (dem)

voted NO.

[liveoaktx]

4. Chet Edwards, Faux Democrat, voted for it.

[Gato Moteado]

5. lets hope that when a dem gets into the white house....

he or she will use the powers of the patriot act to go after and smoke out real terrorists and scumbags that endanger america (like freepers, traitors like rove, etc, and republicans in general).

republicans=fascists
destroy fascism!

[Catholic Sensation]

17. definition of fascism

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Let's point out how you're totally wrong, because this crap is being said too much by people who clearly have no idea what the hell they're talking about.

1. A dictator is one who's in power permanently and controls every facet of government. The whole Terri Schiavo mess, inability to get John Bolton to the UN, etc. undercuts that part of fascism.

2. Stringent socio-economic controls? Businesses are seemingly able to fire people at will, not pay taxes to the country, and steal without much threat of punishment. Hardly any economic control. Social control? We are free to protest still. Women still have the right to choose. And the Supreme Court has allowed homosexuals to engage in sexual intercourse without threat of punishment. Not much strict societal control either.

3. Nationalism has always been the status quo in America. It was under Clinton, LBJ, and FDR.

Republicans are hardly fascists, and anybody who thinks they are is either ignorant of history, or deeply disturbed.

[Zorbuddha]

20. They are clearly fascistic.

Fascism is characterized by elitism, us-and-themism, corporatism (according to Mussolini, snd he should know). Too strict of a literal interpretaion of the definition is fundamentalistic.

[Catholic Sensation]

22. and too liberal an interpretation is idiotic too

if we want to play around with the definition i can make it seem like Hugo Chavez is a fascist too. This country is hardly near fascism. There are free elections still, dissent is still allowed, and one of the first things a fascist government does is disarm the citizenry, and this president has been one of the most libertarian ever when it comes to the citizenry arming themselves.

Mussolini controlled the entire country. Bush has very little control, as a lot of his wishes aren't coming to fruition. Fascism is always marked by there being a dictator, and despite what some very mentally ill people think Bush isn't a dictator.

This rhetoric pisses off some of the left too btw, especially those who had families who were oppressed by fascist governments like Nazi Germany.

[G_j]

24. Free Elections? dissent is still allowed?

well ....sometimes

But it doesn't like you have been paying close attention.

[Name removed]

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[G_j]

34. then please explain to me

"The Miami Model" of crowd suppression used at the FTAA protests, or the "preemptive" arrests at the RNC in NYC. Please explain "Free Speech Zones" or people being arrested for anti-Bush signs.
Sure most cases are thrown out in court eventually. An ACLU lawyer told me that is all part of the plan. Dissent is suppressed through preemptive, illegal arrests and money is budgeted before hand to deal with law suits. Sorry, but I know a lot more about this subject than you may think. If I have time I can find you plenty of solid links, but you should be able to do it for yourself.

[Name removed]

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[G_j]

47. Get real?

you talk of the ACLU, I tell you what a top ACLU lawyer personally told me. You don't have to believe me, but I take offense to your insulting tone. Inaccurate crap?

Our conversation has now come to end. :hi:

[Zorbuddha]

36. You sound like someone who would slam the barn door

after the cow is gone.

Have a look at Bush's "Town Meetings" for crying out loud. People were thrown out for dissenting tshirts. This is the tip of the ice-berg...snap out of it.

[Catholic Sensation]

38. And yet the country for the most part isn't buying it

and the media is free to call Bush on it, as they have. Do you think anything would have come of the whole Plame-Rove thing if this government were truly as dictatorial as you inaccurately believe it is? Russert would have been shot as that idiot representative suggested he should have been for asking those questions of Matt Cooper and Ken Mehlman.

[Zorbuddha]

44. Give it time. You can't blame the country

for wanting to think the best, not the worst, of its leaders. But, as before, when it becomes indisputable and undeniable, the people will ride the shifting tide and the fog of mass popular delusion will lift.

I suggest you consult Foucault's - Mass Popular Delusion and the Madness of Crowds.

[Catholic Sensation]

45. I suggest you look at actual fascist governments

before comparing this one to them.

[Zorbuddha]

60. The point is to nip it in the bud.

It has developed far too far because of attitudes like yours.

[Name removed]

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[Zorbuddha]

73. I'm very unpleasant

towards purveyors of fascism, and the worst nightmare of its supporters and apologists.

[ET Awful]

63. I have looked at them, have you? Or maybe you could try reading

Dr. Britt's excellent "14 characteristics of fascism".

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

[Jara sang]

41. The media doing an excellent job of covering the Plame affair?

Excuse me, but if you hadn't noticed the only reason why the media has been so rabid recently is because the administration was trying pin this on one of their own, Judith Miller. Scotty has been under fire recently only after Miller was jailed.

[Catholic Sensation]

43. I'm losing any desire to have an honest debate with you people

You call fascism and Naziism when there is none. You people claim all of the media are right wing, when most are simply doing the news with no ideological bias. You twist the definition of serious words like Fascism, Dictatorships, etc. to fit whatever view you have of this country. None of this is honest, and pisses off liberals and leftists who prefer honest and accurate arguments instead of reactionary bullshit as seems to be spouted be a very vocal minority here.

[Zorbuddha]

49. You appear to have lost all desire to know the truth.

You see and hear what you want to in order to shape reality to your model. That is not critical thinking.

I called nothing Naziism.

I have no desire to debate anyone who distorts and has no concern for fairness.

You are very, very wrong. On most, if not all counts.

I pity you. Good day.

[Catholic Sensation]

50. I pity you more to be honest

you must be living in complete terror of the government that is going to arrest you at any moment since it's so fascist and dictatorial

:eyes:

[Zorbuddha]

56. You wouldn't know honesty if it bit you on the ass.

You make the Founding Fathers spin in their graves.
Have a look at the roots of this beloved country, and maybe you'd understand what is currently at risk. You know very little. Your opinions have no foundation.

[Catholic Sensation]

61. you wouldn't either

as you're making extremist arguments that have no basis in reality. You can make all the dishonest and a-historical arguments you want, but you're incredibly far out of the mainstream and reality.

[Zorbuddha]

70. I suspect you are a college Know-it-all who just found a voice

And just can't stop sticking your foot in your mouth.

Just check the facts represented here. That's all you have to do.

Your implication that mainstream views are somehow more valuable or reality based is absolutely unAmerican and untrue besides.

Maybe in your little world, but not in the real one.

[blondeatlast]

106. No more calls, we have a winner! nt

[blondeatlast]

98. Neener, neener, neener? I thought you wanted to raise the level

of discourse?

[biscodawg]

94. OMG SOMEBODY JUSTED KNOCKED ON MY DOOR

did you report me or something?!? :eyes: catholic sensation, we live in a fascist nation huh? :hi:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

96. We are heading that way. The infrastructure is in place.

Have you ever studied history? :hi:

[JimmyJazz]

53. Could you define "you people?"

"you people" meaning liberals, progressives, democrats? I'm kinda lost. And, if you don't think the media is right wing, you'll have to give me some reasons why you think it isn't if you'd like me to believe you. Thanks.

[Catholic Sensation]

55. reactionary leftist extremists

anyone who thinks the media has a right wing bias isn't a serious political thinker. there is a right wing media, but it's not the entire media as your paranoid butts seem to think.

[JimmyJazz]

62. again with the generalizations....

And do you even the news? With the exception of Keith Olberman and one other show, most programs are biased toward the right wing. If it's not the case, why don't more people know about George Bush and his cronies and all the horrible things they are doing? People need to be aware of how this war is doing nothing but spilling the blood of innocent people while simultaneously lining the pockets of the big wigs at Halliburton.

And FTR - my butt isn't paranoid and neither am I.

and here are signs of a facist government: http://home.earthlink.net/~eldonenew/fascism.htm

Read them and tell me those don't sound like what's going on in this country today.

[Jara sang]

67. The bias in media isn't right or left in my opinion.

It is biased in favor of the corporatists and I believe the Republican Party is the party of big busniness, is it not? Therefore one can connect the dots. Big business = Big media = Republican agenda.

[blondeatlast]

101. That, and lazy. Nailed it. nt

[peace4all]

68. a bit condescending are we? "reactionary leftist extremists"

Didn't Rush say that?

[JimmyJazz]

71. Ah, Rush! I knew that expression was familiar.

Yes. Anyone who disagrees with Catholic Sensation is apparently reactionary and extremist. But, perhaps he doesn't really mean it as an insult? I think a little extremism can be a good thing to exact social change. ;)

[blondeatlast]

99. Did you feel that way when Nixon got uppity about the "liberal media?"

I, for one, don't think it's all right wing. I do think it's lazy as hell and beholden to its corporate masters.

If DU is too rough for you, well, you're an adult.

[G_j]

75. you have a lot to learn about having a "discussion"

your tone seems calculated to insult people who do not share your views.

That IMO is flaming, and I will not appreciate this thread being locked. :argh:

[shanti]

86. "you people"??

something smells here...

[Kathy in Cambridge]

97. You smelled it too?

:eyes:

[Zomby Woof]

108. Been smellin' it for MONTHS

Eventually, all becomes clear. :-)

[Kathy in Cambridge]

110. Hey buddy!

:hi:

I guess we should get our butts back to the Lounge. It's way ugly in here! :o

[Kathy in Cambridge]

95. You people?

:eyes:

[beam me up scottie]

102. Promises, promises.

"and pisses off liberals and leftists"

How come you seem to be the only one pissed off ?

Did you forget where you were again, Ronny ?

[Swamp Rat]

109. See you in Hell!

:hi:

[Zorbuddha]

30. Ignoring the fascistic overtones is far more idiotic

In spite of the unfortunate casual use of the word, fascism doesn't always look like Hitler's or Mussolini's version.

Fascism isn't confined to specific acts, are you kidding? It isn't strictly confined to any certain model or process. It is characterized by a mindset that is clearly evident in the halls of power -- Here, today.

[Catholic Sensation]

32. So fascism is in the eye of the beholder?

You've yet to prove how this country is "fascistic" while I've proven that using any kind of REAL definition of the actual system this country is far from "fascistic".

[Zorbuddha]

40. I'm saying you have to be in denial to ignore the fascist qualities

evident in America today.

Objective analysis is all it takes.

[Catholic Sensation]

46. And who would provide me this objective analysis?

A reactionary marxist like you?

[Zorbuddha]

51. You have to learn the skill yourself. It's your cross to bear.

Have you read Marx?

I didn't think so. You might be surprised.

[Catholic Sensation]

52. I've read enough

I'm more a fan of Balkunin

[Name removed]

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[Catholic Sensation]

59. i'm glad your reactionary extremism is what determines

who deserves to be on this board.

:eyes:

[Zorbuddha]

66. That is the period on the end of the sentence.

You summed up your depth.

I'm done with this.

[JimmyJazz]

69. If you are such a fan, perhaps you might want to consider

spelling his name correctly. :shrug:

[Jara sang]

72. Catholicism and anarchy don't tend to mesh very well

How did you come about that? Catholics tend to be pro-capitalist. And you spelled Bakunin wrong.

[sintax]

79. Suave Technocratic Ecocidal Fascism

If you do not recognize it for what it is go live in East St. Louis, Ill.

America is the plastic fascistic empire and the brainwashed and desensitized public are quite unaware of their own circumstances which is the diabolical majesty of this system.

Almost EVERYONE is a wage-slave in America chained by the avaricious rent seekers and bankers- it's total socio-economic control, it's fascism

[Jara sang]

80. Well put sintax

I just heard something on NPR about East Saint Louis. It sounded horrible, all anybody wanted to do was get the hell out of there. Possibly the worst place in the United States to live. And the republicans want to take away NPR now, so radio will be entirely dominated by Right wing warmongers. Liberal media my ass

[Zorbuddha]

82. Very eloquently expressed.

That's about as concise as possible. Well done!

[donkeyotay]

92. We'll ask for your opinion after we've given it to you

Citizen, get back in the box. You are having unauthorized thoughts. You might be called unreasonable or even paranoid. You should be sufficiently fearful of this social sanction to censor your thoughts. If you do not comply,,, we will have to send you in for REGROOVING!

:evilgrin:

[JimmyJazz]

78. I'll provide you with some objective analysis:

Signs of a facist government - this country, under this administration, fits the bill:


1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.


2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need."

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

4. Supremacy of the Military

5. Rampant Sexism

6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

9. Corporate Power is Protected

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

14. Fraudulent Elections

On edit: eliminated much of the descriptions as they are self explanatory

[blondeatlast]

103. Marxist? If you want to raise the level of discourse, can you tell me how

you know the poster is Marxist?

I need some fresh air.

[Gato Moteado]

85. free elections.......that's a good one.

you're a real comedian.

guess you missed out on the 2000 (s)election. and maybe you haven't heard of dieboldt and the other fascist (errr...i mean republican) owned voting machine companies.

[Walt Starr]

6. Not permanent yet

The Senate will be the deciding factor.

FILIBUSTER!

[G_j]

16. ==

my subject line was taken right from the Common Dreams front page.
:shrug:

changed now to House passes PATRIOT Act

[Catholic Sensation]

7. which fourteen of the sixteen were voted permanent?

[coffeenap]

8. The one we worked for and donated voted AYE--done, no more

donations of time or money, Cong. Bean...m

[ComerPerro]

29. Illinois 8th, eh? Me too (sorta, voted there).

I'm disappointed in Bean. But it is a very Republican area.

[cssmall]

9. I vaguely remember something occurred around 1917. .

and it went something like this:

Net bolshevskii...

I'm not a bolshevek.

[Sequoia]

10. NAY. Go Lynn Go!

The other two provisions -- Section 215, which gives the FBI secret access to people's business, medical, library, bookstore and other shopping records, and Section 206, which authorizes so-called roving wiretaps -- would be renewed for 10 years as part of the vote.
...........

Section 215, in particular, has drawn fire from librarians and civil libertarians who say it could let the government snoop on ordinary citizens who aren't involved in terrorism investigations. About 390 local governments and states, a few dozen of them in Northern California, have adopted resolutions opposing the provision, along with other parts of the Patriot Act. ..............

Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Petaluma, said she suspected ulterior motives behind the 10-year sunset.

"Now we know the truth. The Patriot Act was never intended as an emergency measure. ... It appears its sponsors were always interested in a permanent crackdown on civil liberties,'' she said.


(SF Chronicle, 7/22/05)

[proud patriot]

11. Tauscher voted no

looks like we are having a bit of an impact on her .

[Greyhound]

12. I would've dropped dead from the shock if my repweasel voted no

recommended.

BTW, Will any of you that are familiar enough with the sites get a list of dems that voted yes?
:kick:

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. I didn't even have to look, but did. Weller voted for it.

I hate that bastard. Hopefully the Senate will be smarter.

[Joe_VB]

14. Scumbag Randy Forbes voted Aye. what an ass.

[NewWaveChick1981]

15. My idiot rep voted AYE...

...my vote for him every time he's run had been NO!!! The USA/PATRIOT Act was and is pure crap. I deal with it frequently in my line of work, and it's ridiculous.

[sweetheart]

18. Nay... go gerald Nadler!!

Isn't it the irony of life, to have a vote in every decision, and to
ALWAYS be on the losing side of the vote, that every single aspect of
"your" government is as unrepresentative as that of a soviet czar.

[NYC Liberal]

25. Nadler's my guy too! NAY for the Patriot Act, YAY for Nadler!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. Baird (D) voted against. Now I'm back to voting for him '06.

The guy is all over the map with his votes. Everything from backing DeLay about Schiavo to voting against the IWR.

But, his "good" votes, with this one added, outweigh his shitty ones enough for me to reconsider my Green vote for rep in '06.

At least for today.

[OregonBlue]

21. Walden of Oregon, Got to go

Greg Walden (R) voted yea. He continually votes on the wrong side. We need to start hammering this guy in the press, especially the Hood River News. He is from HR and it's a liberal town.

[slackmaster]

23. My Susan Davis voted NO

:toast:

[ProfessorGAC]

26. I Don't Even Need To Check

My rep is the idiot Jerry Weller. Another silverspooner with no brains and not one day worked in his life. There is ZERO doubt in my mind he voted for it. And, if he didn't, the world is about to implode. That would truly be a sign of the apocalypse.
The Professor

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

27. I just wrote and sent a scathing email to my Rep. Sue Kelly of NY.

[dogday]

31. I am in Texas and I don't have to check

those bastards, those stupid freaking bastards.

[ohio_liberal]

33. Yay, Ted!

Mr. Strickland voted no. And strangely enough, so did Bob Ney? :shrug:

[realFedUp]

35. Congresswoman Harman did.....

someone pin another war medal on her chest...oy.

[myrna minx]

39. Sabo voted against it. Yay. n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

42. My rep. is a * zombie, who votes with Delay & co. 98%. Go Bozo!!

[dogday]

48. I sent this to my Representative, the Bastard

Sir:

I am writing to you today to express my deep concerns over your vote regarding the Patriot Act.

By voting yea for this act, you have essentially sold out the citizens of our great state and you Sir you be ashamed of yourself.

The right to privacy is an inherited right of the constitution and you were part of it's demise this day and I will always remember you as someone who did not care about civil liberties, but rather cared about advancing his own agenda. I will tell my children and my friends that you are the reason the constitution died this day....

[qanda]

54. My representative Ben Cardin, who is running for the Senate in MD

Voted Aye and that just secured the fact that I will NOT vote for him in the primaries.

[electron_blue]

58. Against

hurray. sort of. Would have been better if it'd been defeated, of course.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

65. Sam Farr (CA) voted NO, of course!

I love Sam Farr.

[Terran1212]

74. As someone who had opportunity to go behind Homeland Security for a day

This really pisses me off. These people need to do what i did and ge t ajob as a role player in a HS exercise for a day.

You only know how scary and pervasive it is when you have been there.

[wli]

77. there's a list of the 43 AEI/GOP moles in other threads

[Blue_In_AK]

81. Well, bless my soul...

Don Young, Republican from Alaska, did something right. Good job, Don.

[LWolf]

83. Aye

:(

[NoPasaran]

84. How would you guess DeLay's bootlicker Lamar Smith would vote?

That scumbag is going down in 2006!

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. Voted against confirmation, have thanked her already

[ChickMagic]

88. Guess

Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn. :cry:

[6th Borough]

89. No (Debbie Wasserman-Schulman(sp?), D-FTL

:thumbsup:

[greekspeak]

90. Boyd (D) Voted No

[LeftyDarthBrodie]

91. Thank you Representative Pascrell

for voting NO!

[ToeBot]

100. Bishop (R-UT) voted no, I shit myself from the shock!

He must have hit the wrong button, maybe he was drunk. I've never seen anything like this from a Utah Republican. Indeed 2 of Utah's 3 representatives voted against.

[Nevernose]

113. Maybe appealing to the Libertarian-Conservatives in rural areas?

I don't know too much about Utah's congressional districts, but I keep up with at least some of the happenings in the Southern portion of the state (I live in Vegas, and am a frequent visitor to your state's many fine state parks and national forests camping, hiking, fishing, etc. -- some truly beautiful country there!).

A lot of libertarians and libertarian-leaning Republicans there, in my experience. What part of the state is Bishop from? Is he vulnerable in next year's primaries, and thus appealing to his base?

And does Salt Lake still have a Dem mayor?

[blondeatlast]

104. I wish I even had to look. My Rep is Shadegg. I know how he voted. Grr. nt

[RetroLounge]

105. I have no need to look

Mine is Sennsenbrenner...

RL

[Rex]

107. Repukes hate us for our freedoms

nt

[tomg]

111. Maurice Hinchey voted No

Hinchey is great.

on edit: I looked, but it is great to know that I didn't have to.

[Ariana Celeste]

112. Buyer, aye. No surprise there.

Republican- Hoosier Republican.

[Nevernose]

114. Jon Porter of Nevada votes "aye"

What an asshole.