Windows 2000 should receive an AO rating, just like Grand Theft Auto.

[OrlandoGator]

Last year, the source code for Microsoft's Windows 2000 operating system was leaked to the public. This source code contains non-functional comments by the programmers that are never visible to the end user. Here are a few of those comments:

Lots of profanity and violence:

// the fucking alpha cpp compiler seems to fuck up the goddam type "LPITEMIDLIST", so to work
// around the fucking peice of shit compiler we pass the last param as an void *instead of a LPITEMIDLIST

* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* !!!!!!!IF YOU CHANGE TABS TO SPACES, YOU WILL BE KILLED!!!!!!!
* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!DOING SO FUCKS THE BUILD PROCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They tell us which Microsoft products are "idiots" and "morons":

// The specific idiot in this case is Office95, which likes
// to free a random pointer when you start Word95 from a desktop
// shortcut.

* for idiots like MS-Access 2.0 who SetWindowPos( SWP_BOZO
* and blow away themselves on the shell, then lets
* just ignore their plea to be removed from the tray

// we are such morons. Wiz97 underwent a redesign between IE4 and IE5

We have to do this only because Exchange is a moron.

// We are morons. We changed the IDeskTray interface between IE4

// should be fixed in the apps themselves. Morons!

They let us know that Windows is filled with "hacks" to make it work:

// HACK! HACK! HACK! (MohanB) In order to fix #64710 at this very late

// HACK HACK HACK. REMOVE THIS ONCE MARLETT IS AROUND

// <HACK>
goto EndHack;
// </HACK>

// God, I hate this hack ...

// Dumb hack for back compat. *sigh*

// ACHTUNG!!! this is a special hack for IBM antivirus software

// HACK ALERT, believe it or not there is no way to get the height of the current
// HACK ON TOP OF HACK ALERT,

// Add the hack-o-ramma to fix formats.

// Mondo hackitude-o-rama.

// HUGE, HUGE hack-o-rama to get NTSD started on this process!

// HACK OF DEATH:

// TERRIBLE HORRIBLE NO GOOD VERY BAD HACK

* The magnitude of this hack compares favorably with that of the national debt.

There are even some drug references:

* CallProc32W is insane. It's a variadic function that uses
* the pascal calling convention. (It probably makes more sense
* when you're stoned.)

[SheepyMcSheepster]

1. let's see hillary blast microsoft over this foul content!

hehe, nice post.

[Armstead]

2. LOL...Maybe they should call next release: Windows @#%*#%!

They probably had the same frustrations putting it together that most peopel have while trying to use it.

[leveymg]

3. Geek porn. LOL

No programmer/analyst I've ever met is in any danger of sainthood.:evilgrin:

[sendero]

46. Hey....

.... I resemble that remark :)

Folks, be clear about this. These are code comments. They do not appear in the compiled code (end product) at all.

The fact that there a numerous reference to "hacks" comes as no surprise to any programmer familiar with the shoddy quality of MS code, but I have to admit the "frees a random pointer" (one of the most egregious errors a programmer can make, will often crash the program) comment got a major chuckle out of me :)

[MsTryska]

4. where did you get this?

i must have a link to pass around to my fellow geeks.

[OrlandoGator]

5. Link

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/15/71552/7795

[MsTryska]

7. thank you evah so! nt

nt

[ArkDem]

6. There is no way to get to the source so your analogy doesn't

work. Any kid can download a patch legally.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

9. to play devils advocate:

what if someone developed a way for you to download a program/decompiler that would let you view this content.

it is then in the same boat as GTA:SA is it not?

[foo_bar]

35. comments are passed over by the compiler

There's no way to decompile them, because they aren't compiled in the first place. If you write a billion pages of /*blah*/ the resulting binary stays exactly the same.

A better analogy is the "Lord of the Cock Rings" easter egg on Disc 1 of the Fellowship of the Ring DVD set:
http://www.milkandcookies.com/links/4752/details/

[SheepyMcSheepster]

36. thanks for the insight

i know just enough to sound foolish talking about code as we have seen by my prevoius post.

:hi:

[OrlandoGator]

38. Easter Eggs are meant to be found. That's the difference.

Mods like the one that reveals "Hot Coffee" finds parts of the game's code that is not meant to be seen. Without the modification, the cartoon porn is never visible to the end user.

[foo_bar]

52. GTA: Spring Break might be an easter egg

The point isn't whether you have to beat the final boss with a broomhandle to see it, the "bonus footage" was buried in a place where diehard fans would find it and marketing goons wouldn't. If end users were meant to find easter eggs, they wouldn't hide them behind esoteric keystroke combinations. The medium is the message and all that, it's not like gta skimps on hooker footage overall.

[OrlandoGator]

10. No, it's a very valid analogy.

These comments were part of the production process that were intentionally removed (via compiling) from the end product. Rockstar did the same thing by removing the function calls to the code for the "Hot Coffee" minigame.

In both instances, obscene content was created for the product and access to that content was restricted. In the case of GTA, the final commercial product was modified in order to reveal content that was not part of the final product.

If someone alters an appliance in such a way that it becomes dangerous, then someone is injured or killed, the manufacturer of the product is not held liable.

[wtmusic]

11. Wrong

If an appliance maker adds a feature which is potentially dangerous and is accessible from a trivial modification, you bet your ass they're liable.

[OrlandoGator]

12. Where you're wrong is that the GTA modification was not trivial.

The patch that is available online represents months of work by a modder. So to continue the analogy, it is as if someone spent a long time figuring out how to make an appliance dangerous, then started handing out free kits for people easily to do it at home.

Whatever, I can't believe I'm actually arguing about cartoons having sex.

[wtmusic]

16. Was it

really "months of work" to coax a fully-functional Adult-rated feature out of GTA?

Or was it Rockstar circumventing ratings by conveniently leaking the patch? (no profit motive here--the "M" rating got the product into Wal-Mart and added millions to the gross on GTA) :sarcasm:

[OrlandoGator]

17. GTA:SA was released 10/25/04.

The "Hot Coffee" flap only hit the news this month.

[Moochy]

15. cartoon sex is dangerous to cartoon puritans

Thats just it, the "trivial modification" were not something that Rockstar should have any liability for.

You might as well sue EA and Maxis for the Sims nudity mods that people have added. good luck.

It may be a trival thing to download the mod and add it, but thats because of the time and effort put into the mod by its author, who is not a rockstar employee.

Read a "walkthrough" on the unmodified game, and see what you think.
Does the addition of "cartoon sex" really put this title into another category of societies ills?

[wtmusic]

19. The sexual imagery is completely intact in the distribution version

and it has nothing to do with censorship, puritanism, or whatever. It has to do with a company exploiting the ratings system for profit.

You leave a loaded gun out with a trigger lock. You leave a key next to it. Your 5-year-old figures out how to put the key in the lock and ends up blowing his hand off. Are you liable?

[OrlandoGator]

20. So what part of the original "Mature" rating was unclear to you?

The ESRB defines the M (Mature) rating as follows:

-quote-

MATURE

Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language.

-end quote-

Any parent who buys an "M" rated game for their child is solely responsible for whatever happens to their fragile psyches as a result.

[wtmusic]

23. straw man

nice try.

The "unlocked" version is rated AO (Adults Only) for "content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity."

[OrlandoGator]

26. So the difference between AO and M is nudity.

Cartoon nudity at that.

And if I were you, I'd be reluctant to accuse anyone of using a straw man when a few posts ago you compared this video game to giving a child a loaded handgun.

[wtmusic]

29. Can you show me where

I compared playing the video game to giving a child a loaded handgun? What I was comparing is the issue of responsibility, which is identical in both situations.

Yes, the difference between AO and M is nudity. I didn't make the ratings system; go argue with them if you don't like it. That's irrelevant to the fact that Rockstar is (apparently) deliberately circumventing the system to make a lot of extra money.

[OrlandoGator]

31. Don't buy their products, then...and tell everyone you know also.

In the meantime, there are still millions of fans of the GTA series (myself included) who thoroughly enjoy playing it and who don't allow children to access it.

As I said, anyone who purchases or rents an M rated game for their child is an irresponsible parent. But there's nothing Hillary Clinton can do about that.

By the way, there's no such thing as bad publicity. All this hubbub over that stupid "Hot Coffee" minigame represents millions of dollars when the next GTA is released.

Congratulations, people like you are the reason the 2 Live Crew are millionaires.

[wtmusic]

37. You're doing great at whipping out the straw men today

By your rationale "M" is the same as "AO", so wtf does it matter anyway.

:crazy:

Hopefully public reaction will cause Rockstar to get their ass fined and GTA pulled from Wal-Mart, so your assessment that they'll make more money from the next GTA is debatable.

I'll add to this that whatever you do with your time, whether GTA contains nudity or sex or bestiality, and whether I buy any product that is legitimately "M" rated for my kid are issues which are are absolutely, totally, and 100% beside the point.

[OrlandoGator]

40. It's not beside the point. The point is that M isn't for kids.

So whether the game is M or AO is, as you admitted, defined by nudity. There are still exploding heads and women being beaten and elderly people being run over either way.

As for TakeTwo/Rockstar getting fined...fined by what authority? The ESRB is a voluntary organization funded by the video game manufacturers. There is no government regulatory organization for video games, and I hope there never is one. Last thing we need is another FCC.

[Moochy]

41. But there should be a law...

but but there should be a law... that reinforces my utopian world view!!

At least if I was Emperor there would be.

[dissent1977]

50. The game is M not AO

The game only becomes AO if you modify it, and you can modify virtually any PC game to include adult content. Once the game is modified the ESRB rating no longer applies. In the code that was submitted by Rockstar there was no way to access this content, it was not until a hacker modified that code that this whole thing started. And the fact is no one except a few computer nerds would be paying any attention to this mod if these politicians did not make such a big fuss over it. If they really want to protect children from this kind of material, then why are they telling them about it? I can guarantee you that there will be many more people viewing this mod because of the likes of Hillary Clinton.

[Moochy]

51. The Big Tent of the Democrats

I'm all for debating the utopian, puritannical and quixotic wing of the democratic party, but its disappointing to say the least, to see Hilary championing this issue as if it were important.

I know its a big tent we Democrats have, and thats good. :)
I'll be over here on the left with the midgets and the bearded lady playing GTA:SA.

[dissent1977]

49. Here is where

"and it has nothing to do with censorship, puritanism, or whatever. It has to do with a company exploiting the ratings system for profit.

You leave a loaded gun out with a trigger lock. You leave a key next to it. Your 5-year-old figures out how to put the key in the lock and ends up blowing his hand off. Are you liable?"

That looks like you are comparing it to giving a child a loaded gun to me.

[Moochy]

Mark Morford: There's Sex In My Violence!

There's Sex In My Violence!
What's this lame soft-core porn doing in my ultraviolent "Grand Theft Auto"? I am outraged!

http://sfgate.com/columnists/morford/
Mark Morford weighs in on the Hot Coffee kerfuffle!

[Moochy]

22. My poor amputee child played GTA:SA

Give me a freaking break. Comparing this game's unimplemented unreferenced commented-out stubbed-out, sex mini game, that was not enabled to leaving a handgun is patently ridiculous and shows how reality-free this argument really is.

I can make the CJ character do horrible things.

CJ can shoot the head off of an elderly man or lady and take their money. But sex.. omg im blushing, bring out the prude squad.


The game's content locked or unlocked is not the issue. Those are AFTER MARKET ADD ONS.

[wtmusic]

24. Saying that the analogy is patently ridiculous

doesn't make it so, unless you can come up with some, er, reasons...

[OrlandoGator]

27. Reason being that a video game won't splatter brains across a wall?

Just a guess.

[wtmusic]

44. Actually you were the one who brought up the "dangerous appliance"

analogy, did you not? :D

[OrlandoGator]

48. Indeed, and it's still much more valid.

Rockstar did not "leave the key to the gun" out in plain view. A modder had to work long and hard to find a way to crack the game and find the hidden content.

Your argument that this was some tinfoil conspiracy to sell more games is moot, because GTA:SA sold millions of copies long before anyone had ever heard of "Hot Coffee".

[Moochy]

30. I guess it seemed pretty obvious to anyone...

GTA:SA's sex minigame

vs.

loaded handgun accidentally shooting off your kids hand.

On second thought, I'm not going to go any farther since there are Karl Rove threads I should be kicking instead of wasting time arguing over Carl Johnnsons sex life.

[Moochy]

39. GTA:SA shot off my kids hand!!!

ok, in the case of the handgun who is at fault?

certainly not the handgun industry right? thats right the parents are the ones who get punished.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

32. let me get this straight

you believe rockstar intentionally left the sex mini game content in so that someone could hack it to make it work and then create a modification that would then allow people to play the crappy sex mini game all so rockstar could get an MA rating in order to sell their game at wall mart?

[OrlandoGator]

33. GTA:SA broke all kinds of sales records long before "Hot Coffee" was known

So that itself blows the conspiracy argument to hell.

[Moochy]

34. And only a congressional investigation will get to the bottom of this

I demand that my tax dollars be spent on a grand-theft-auto-jury that will put an end to this vast sex-mini-game conspiracy to pollute our otherwise chaste country.

[wtmusic]

43. Yes

"After a thorough investigation, we have concluded that sexually explicit material exists in a fully rendered, unmodified form on the final discs of all three platform versions of the game," said Patricia Vance, president of the ratings board. "Clearly the rating was incorrect, and it needed to be corrected."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/latimests/hidd

[OrlandoGator]

45. The content was unmodified, but you had to modify the product to get to it

An important distinction that was omitted.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

47. so this was their devious plan all along?

you are saying they did this on purpose so that someone else could unlock the content and they wouldn't be responsible for it?

how do you know they did it on purpose?
is there any evidence of this?

who would have made this type of decision in their organisation?


how do you know that the sex mini game wasn't something that they just decided to quit working on which got left in due to someone's ignorance?

edit: you link to yahoo story is bad btw

[high density]

8. Compiled executables don't contain comments

Sorry...


I don't understand why GTA as a murderdeathkill game is fine, but with a little sex added in it suddenly becomes a total outrage.

[Moochy]

13. GTA: Kabul?

The Prude Squad gets upset at GTA:SA because I think its got to do with our countries puritanical origins, and generally uptight attitude that demagogue politicians without a real platform or issues feel they must adopt.

Everybody should be nice to everybody all the time and not play naughty games. And there should be more rainbows, and puppies.

If it were up to Joementum and Hilary, we'd all be playing happy fun games where noone has sex, or kills anybody.

GTA:Kabul
You just grow happy flowers in afghan fields while dodging taliban deathsquads. Decide how to spend the money .. either in Florida or on the Stock Market! American Airlines is a bargain!! but that Jeb 2008 election fund is tempting too. Unlock the sex game after stealing a 7th bride from the neighboring village!

[OrlandoGator]

14. Do you get to shoot the "Rainbow Gun" like in Barney Doom?

I'm not making that up.

[Moochy]

18. Barneys Doom? :)

Rainbow gun:
Only if you end up getting high off your own supply, which will end the game prematurely. (the makers of the next GTA game are bravely taking a stand against the heroin industry) :sarcasm:



Barney got fragged.

[steve2470]

21. Great post ! Very funny.

It's none of my business, but what part of town are you in ? You can pm me if you want to.

[Moochy]

25. the foul language hurts my beautiful mind

I'm glad that my comments in code havent been distributed widely.

But what if a windows employee secretly put in a sex mini game into the comments ?? Then we'd have a controversy.

BTW this source code is not included in the windows 2000 executable since cpp source code is used during development process, but is ignored during compilation. The debugging process uses the source but doesnt bind it into the binary distribution files. (exe's dlls etc.)

However, much of windows is not compiled C, some of its readable scripts and as such and these uncompiled files are generally G-rated and combed over by some product guy at Microsoft with a fine-toothed legal comb.

[OrlandoGator]

28. Actually, there are secret mini-games in Windows.

Nothing sexual, but there are lots of neat little games and stuff hidden in Windows that can be accessed with different keystroke "codes".

I can't remember them off the top of my head, but there's one in Excel when you type some specific text into a specific cell, it opens some kind of flight simulator game.

[GeekMonkey]

42. Now now, some people's kids are too stupid to handle bad words

or nudity. And it is the responsibility of all adults and corporations to raise these children in a plastic bubble that ensures they won't be exposed to dissapproved content.


Of course, then there are those of us who actually make sure our kids know the difference between pixels and flesh, but we apparently don't count to the prudish hordes.

[GiovanniC]

53. As Long As Excel and FrontPage Don't Have Sex

Having sex is the #1 prime evil of our society.

Society was so much better back in the good old days when people didn't have sex.




:sarcasm:

[OrlandoGator]

54. Kick. We can't allow this filth to pollute our home computers!

n/t