Holy FUCK this is pathetic: new Pew poll on Bush/Iraq

[Goldmund]

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"

Approve 35%

Disapprove 57%

Unsure 8%

"Do you think George W. Bush has a clear plan for bringing the situation in Iraq to a successful conclusion, or don't you think so?"

Has a Clear Plan 27%

Doesn't Have a Clear Plan 64%

Unsure 9%

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

[NewWaveChick1981]

1. Pathetic indeed...

Maybe some of the sheep are getting wise (wishful thinking...).

[Goldmund]

6. No, I think that's correct

Although "wise" is an overstatement -- they're simply taking off the blindfold.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[NewWaveChick1981]

42. Thanks, Goldmund!

[William Seger]

57. Exactly - nothing's really changed

The only excuse for not knowing that before the last election is relying on the corporate media -- and that's no excuse.

[LeftNYC]

52. How is this guy President? nt

[ginnyinWI]

54. Because they stole the election.

It gets more and more obvious every day. All the polls bear out the fact that people prefer John Kerry's policies to *'s. Some of those who believed the lies are now realizing what happened. The rest of us, the majority, knew all along.

[William Seger]

58. I shouldn't have been close enough to steal

[Binka]

60. Close Has NOTHING To Do With Theft

These fuckers manipulated tons of data to steal the election. Wake up and smell the W stolen flakes dude.

[William Seger]

74. You kinda missed the point, "dude"

:eyes:

[IndyOp]

66. WS - If the votes are in a Microsoft Access Database

someone can just as easily change a 10 to a 1,000,000 as they can change a 10 to a 1,000. Really. Software installed on the Central Tabulator PC's could have been programmed to make sure that the candidate 'of choice' had 51% of the vote or 53% or 59% or 65%. Such software is very, very easy to write. A hand full of people who want to steal a national election, and have access to the computer systems could do so.

We must get beyond thinking that the only reason we must recount is if the margin is close. We have to have voter verified paper ballots and we have to recount every election by hand.

[William Seger]

76. You're looking for someone to argue with over that?

Keep looking.

My point was simply (except for the typo), it shouldn't have been close enough to steal. If you'll notice, the main topic of this thread is not whether or not the election was stolen or election reform -- it's about *'s recently sinking approval.

[IndyOp]

77. Bless you. No, I wasn't looking for an argument.

I'm really not into arguing. Just exchange of information and occasionally influencing another's opinion by expressing a point of view they may not have considered before.

My point was that even if 60% or 70% of voters cast their votes for Kerry - the Republicans still could have stolen the election. Current technology makes it feasible.

[shelley806]

78. Was the 2000 election close enough, with the majority of votes to

Gore, and stolen by SCOTUS???

[William Seger]

79. Jeez, what is it with you guys?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your question, so I'm not going to even attempt to answer it.

Yes, the 2000 election was stolen, and yes, I'm very suspicious of the 2004 results and would LOVE to see it proved that it was stolen, too. Okay? Are you satisfied with that?

What I SAID was (except for the typo), it shouldn't have been close enough to steal. Why wasn't * at least 10 or 15 points behind in polling before the last election, which I do believe would have made it impossible to steal without getting caught? My implied point, with respect the topic here -- i.e. *'s falling approval rating -- is, why is America just now getting wise? The answer, of course, is the corporate media, which is the same thing that made 2000 close enough to steal.

[shelley806]

80. Thanks for the explanation...and sorry if I appeared to jump on you.

I so hate what is happening to this country, and it's not just the War. It's the lies, the lack of trust, the mounting cynicism, the Rove/Plamegate and their total denial of major elephants in the room and naked emperors, and, you're right; the corporate media's selling this evil administration.

Kerry should have been ahead 10 to 15 points if he had been given the same favorable coverage by our so-called liberal press, and if they had disclosed all of B*'s records, and Rove's history of tricks so dirty that they would have made any "Christian" blush with shame to even think about.

"My implied point, with respect the topic here -- i.e. *'s falling approval rating -- is, why is America just now getting wise? The answer, of course, is the corporate media, which is the same thing that made 2000 close enough to steal."

Why do you think that CM is now supportive of B* falling approval rates? They've made enough profits on an unjust war? I think that America is waking up; certainly hope so.

[JRob]

69. at this point, complacency/ignorance is a character flaw...

[tulsakatz]

2. yep!

He's going down fast!! Not only do people not trust Bush policy on Iraq but his credibility is taking a dive too!!

Even if he is able to somehow (miraculously) devise a plan, no one will believe him anymore!!! Even some Republicans don't trust him anymore!!

[Goldmund]

8. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[ultraist]

16. "He's going down fast!" Music to my ears...

Welcome to DU! :hi:

There is still hope for our country!

[Vincardog]

3. Who the FK is ' Unsure' are they waiting to be told by GOD?

[Mnemosyne]

19. * is their god. n/t

[Vincardog]

32. Then why are the unsure?

[Mnemosyne]

38. You've heard of questioning faith?

He could eat fetuses on the WH lawn and the rabid would still support him.
Notice it's not 100% doubt.
The numbers are getting better, but all will never wake up.

[hootinholler]

55. Because they are stem cells...

And can become anything.

Just sayin,
-Hoot

[progressoid]

50. The 'unsures' are ...

Bush supporters (some former) that can't bring themselves to admit that they were wrong.

Or they don't want to disapprove because they are too stupid to differentiate between "support the Troops" & "Support the president".

[Uncle Joe]

65. Those are the same people that are unsure

if they should wear a parachute, should they decide to skydive.

[whistle]

4. Get that sucker up to 66% disapproval and shrub is gone

[RagAss]

63. I wish you were right...

The truth is that these assfarts invented a fuccin war....you think they give a shit about a fuccin poll ?

[dogday]

5. Polls, They don't need no stinkin Polls...........

I really think they don't give a crap.

[Nite Owl]

7. If a Dem president had numbers

like that it would be top of the news 24/7.

[H2O Man]

9. Maybe he has

a "secret plan" that he just can't share with us, because then it wouldn't be a secret. Bill Clinton got us into this mess. They had "rape rooms." It's a hard on, er, job ... being president. He doesn't have time to think about Insida been Laden. He is not a crook. It's important that the American people know their president is not a crook.

[ultraist]

22. LMAO!

:rofl:

"Insida been Laden" "secret plan..."

:bounce: Oh, happy day! Bush is losing his grip.

[H2O Man]

27. When I've seen him

on the news in the past 24 hours, he looks curious .... does he recognize that not everyone likes him as much as his mommy said they did? Has he made it a black & white issue -- those who don't like me are evil? When do we see him lash out? I suspect it will be soon.

[ultraist]

29. Maybe he does recognize it!

Maybe he saw "something on the television screen." He has developed a new jaw twitch. The stress is exacerbating his existing neurosis/illness. UP THE MEDS!

[H2O Man]

33. It's strange ....

Now, again, I do not mean to speak in a positive tone about Nixon, but he was far, far more disciplined of a thinker than Bush; he had a grasp of the political system, including its strengths and weaknesses, that Bush definitely lacks. He had survival skills. But the pressure was way too much.

Being detached and willfully dull witted may have some built-in advantages. But the pressure is obviously real for him. I'm convinced that in times of stress, the true essence of one's personality bubbles through. Thus, at some point in August, he is likely to go off the script. And it will stun much of America to see who is really president.

[Straight Shooter]

36. Nixon wasn't cursed with having Barbara "Pearl-choker" Bush as a mother.

That woman could take a dolphin and turn it into a shark.

I think bush might have been a nice guy, if it weren't for his mother. She never allowed him to learn the lessons of life, never made him pay his dues. He's the world's worst mommy's boy.

[H2O Man]

41. Now that's odd ....

because it reminds me of Kissinger's comment on Nixon; "Can you imagine how great a man he could have been if anyone had ever loved him?" He was talking about Nixon's parents, of course, both of whom were emotionally remote.

As the twig is bent .....

[mwb970]

61. My God, you're right! It's Barbara.

This is the most insightful post I have read today. My 11-year-old niece asked me earlier why George is as worthless as he is. NEXT time we talk about it, I will have a better answer!

[Beam Me Up]

64. This 'lash out soon' potential is what really worries me.

I know you're too sober to be a MIHOPER like me H2O Man, but I've been reading in the annals of covert ops for too long to be anything else. The man W may ultimately be expendable. Certainly the core interests of the matter are deeper and far more sinister than some idiot son of an ass hole.

:scared:

[H2O Man]

70. Well

I am not a MIHOP subscriber, though not because I think the jackals in high places are too moral to do such a thing. And I remember quite well the amount of anxiety that even Nixon caused among certain groups, because no one knew what he might do. No one really knew, and that isn't a joke.

What is happening in the media is nothing compared to what is happening behind the scenes. Power concedes nothing without a struggle, as Frederick Douglas noted.

[tridim]

10. The GOP is thanking Satan for Diebold right about now.

[Al-CIAda]

20. Yes, America has been STOLEN from us by rigged elections. n/t

[Spinzonner]

11. Well, in all fairness

he did have a carefully crafted plan for getting us into the mess in the first place.

Its only on the second part that he screwed up.

It's not his fault that there's no one to bail him out of this failure, he always had someone before ...

[donkeyotay]

46. The plan went off without a hitch

Unfortunately neocon reality didn't have much in common with real reality.

:-(

[sellitman]

12. To late now....they installed the smuck for 4 Moron Years.

[fooj]

37. I don't think he'll be around to serve out his second term...

I do believe they have done cooked their goose!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Peace.

[sellitman]

48. Man....wouldn't that be just amazing!

Then this picture might actually come true. That would sure make this Lib smile!

[Deep13]

13. So, 7% of those who think Bush has no plan ...

... approve of what he is doing?

:freak:

[doublethink]

14. Wonder how far his numbers

will drop or how close we will be to inditing his administration on something (take your pick here, plenty to choose from) ... before he pushes the 'martial law' button? :shrug: I'm just saying....

[wli]

30. he's probably not far from it now

[aquart]

15. Well, at least the war bragging has stopped.

They're really amazingly quiet about Iraq these days.

[ultraist]

24. Don't hold your breath...

Within a few weeks, they will be back out there with more of their BS lies: "Iraq is in the final throes." "We are making good progress in Iraq." "We are spreading Democracy." etc. :puke:

[evermind]

17. This is actually an improvement for * on the recent Harris poll

Sixty-four percent of those polled gave Bush a negative rating for his handling of Iraq, up from 61 percent in May, while 34 percent had a positive assessment of Bush's actions in Iraq, Harris Interactive said in a statement distributed by PR Newswire. A year ago, 58 percent of Americans gave Bush a negative rating on Iraq, Harris Interactive said.

Less than a quarter of those polled, 23 percent, said they were confident the U.S. policies in Iraq would be successful, down from 26 percent in May, according to the poll. Last month, Bush's job approval rating was 45 percent, up from 44 percent in April and down from 50 percent a year earlier, according to the earlier poll on the Harris Interactive Web site.

Of those surveyed this month, 38 percent said invading Iraq was the right decision, down from 39 percent in May and 43 percent a year earlier, according to Harris.

The online poll of 2,339 adults was conducted July 12-18 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=avWX8dUzpLQw&refer=us

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. It's about damn time!!!!

geez...some people are s-l-o-w.

[July]

21. What is up with those "Unsures"?

Do they even know there's a war on?

[rniel]

23. What's really troubling

Unsure 9%

Who the hell are these people. They need to be slapped around some.

[ultraist]

25. That 9% is likely part of the 40% of Americans who didn't even VOTE!

Those that are completely uninvolved and apathetic.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

26. These are the

sheeple who keep saying that we didn't have an attack since 9/11.

[SoCalDem]

28. Nothing new.. It's the same 65-35 since the Clinton Chronicles

65 percent are sentient people, the other 35 are a strange brew of religious extremists, racists/\xenophobes, militant right wingers and a few who never pay attention to politics.

[zoids]

31. Good news!

It will make the impeachment a lot easier!

[spanone]

34. Bush* is pathetic. Sick and pathetic.

[anarch]

35. Worst. President. EVER. n/t

[Supersedeas]

39. the Wartime President looks more like Gomer Pyle-fake aweshucks to boot

[Sparkman]

53. Gomer was scrupulously honest and hard working at least, if naive. * LIES

like a rug, ran several businesses into the ground and our nat'l treasure. Poor Gomer Pyle!

[greekspeak]

40. Monkey Boy says we cannot have a clear plan to get out, yet...

We CANNOT. God only knows how long it will take. Months. Years. Decades. Who knows? Yet 27% of the people in this poll answered that they think Dipstick "Has a Clear Plan." He has SAID he has no plan. It would be WRONG to have a plan. If Chimp said, "Vote for John Kerry for President because I am big pile of steaming dog turds," these people would probably claim he never said it. And the "unsure" 9% must live under rocks.

[Amonester]

56. His plan is: "Others than me, myself and my pal$ here...

... are fighting (and we even cut all their benefits) the (bad) terra-lists there (which is illegal... again) so me, myself and my criminal pal$ don't have to run like hell for cover (like the little cowards we really are, and always been) here all the time because 'our' "others" don't have to fight them here.

** voters = about 25% of the country??

[AX10]

43. argh

:argh:

[The Revolution]

44. I'd like to see

some follow up research on the "clear plan" question. How many of those 27% that answered "has a clear plan", how many could say what that plan is, how many different answers would there be?

I mean, if the plan was clear, then all those people would be able to answer, and they would all give the same answer, right?

[Goldmund]

45. LOL

As greekspeak says above, there IS NO plan. According to Shrub there is no plan.

These people simply always pick answers that seem sympathetic to Bush. Hence the term "Bushbots".

[donkeyotay]

47. Whatever happened to the Popular Wartime President?

The one that the media worshiped? The one we could not question? God's own? Whatever it takes. Mission accomplished. Dead or alive... ah those were the days... 'Merica riding tall.... sigh.

[Iris]

67. Yep! This, even after the attacks in London.

I thought that would spike his numbers for sure, but I guess not.

[Qanisqineq]

49. I kind of understand the "unsures", it's the "approves" I don't

I mean, if the unsures were Bush voters and hear from George that things are going well yet read otherwise and all that and aren't so sure they trust the dipshit anymore, I can kind of understand being confused.

It is the "approves" I don't understand. Are they living in La-La Land?

I know how I feel.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

51. What does anyone expect from a foundation that was started by....

...the children of the founder of SUN OIL!?!?

The Pew Charitable Trusts
<http://www.pewtrusts.org/about/about_subpage.cfm?page=a4>

=================================

Major Oil Companies Operating in the Gulf Region
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/oilgulf.html>

Look under Iran and UAE.

[otohara]

59. Then There's This Question

Do you think the U.S. made the right decision or the wrong decision in using military force against Iraq?"

7/13-17/05
Right Decision 49
Wrong Decision 44
Dunno 7


WTF is wrong with these people?

[BamaLefty]

62. Excuse You

This wonderful President is against gay marriage. How dare you insult him!!

:eyes:

[Son of California]

68. if it keeps up in this direction

2006 may be a great year for us.

but Dem Senators need to start raising more issues about the war -coming up with answers.
I saw a great speech by Joe Biden the other day, where he outlined what changes needed to be made.

Dems need to do more of this, trying to get bills past concerning the war/veterans affairs and forcing the Repubs to stonewall to try and keep up this everything-is-going-fine bit, so we can clobber them with it in 2006.

[dansolo]

71. The really pathetic thing

Is that 27% think that Bush has a clear plan, when he has publically denounced the idea of providing any details of any sort of plan to Congress.

[hippywife]

72. And yet it's still amazing

that there are still that many stupid people who think everything is peachy! :crazy:

[osaMABUSh]

73. The results are not pathetic - Bush is pathetic

All the latest polls are showing what a loser Bush is and how the sheeple are waking up.

[0007]

75. Holy Moley......!

[oasis]

81. kick