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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:44 PM
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You have to dehumanize somebody before you kill them.
I am reading a couple of blogs from service members in Iraq. They refer to the local inhabitants as "hodgies" I think this is in reference to the character of Hadji on Johnny Quest. It is also an Arabic term of respect for someone who has made the pilgrimage to Mecca. One of the tenets of Islam. Reading this shit, has turned my stomach. Read it and tell me we aren't in the Middle East on a modern crusade. At any rate, I don't think the American troops like the "Hodgies" very much:

http://soldierslifeafteriraq.blogspot.com/2004_10_01_soldierslifeafteriraq_archive.html

"oh yeah i'm serious alright, there's also no laundry facilities so we have to send our dirty clothes out into town to be washed and my stuff never came back, thats why i said i have most of my stuff" he said "the guys say that happens sometimes and sometimes you stuff does come back eventually, but usually its gone."
"no way!" i said
"yeah my favorite jeans too, damn hodgies" he says
"hogies? i thought that was a sandwich, is that what you call the people, hogies?" i ask kind of confused
"no hodgies with a DG, yeah thats what we call 'em" he said


and this kid sounds seriously fucked up:

http://soularmageddon.blogspot.com/

"Me, I don't vote. There's a shocker. I don't get involved. But i saw something I HATE, and I went over to Iraq to fight those freaking Hodgies, whom I HATE. Well, I don't really HATE them, but I do want to fight them. Not even sure why. Maybe it's just something to do. In reality, I don't really care that women are oppressed, men being killed, power grabbed by those that can grab it, and so called freedoms gone by the wayside."

Like I said, one must dehumanize a person before you can destroy them otherwise, what will you become? A monster.


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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:45 PM
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1. I think it takes more than a nickname to de-humanize someone
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:51 PM
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6. Or "gerry" but yeah, I think it may be racist, but it's just a nickname
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:54 PM
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7. Hopeless.
support the troops. it's just a coupla bad apples. :sarcasm:
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:55 PM
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10. I'm not for the war or a US citizen
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:51 PM
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4. That is where it begins.
That is how hatred is spread. How often did you ever hear the Klan call black people "African-Americans"? If you know somebody, their name, they become less anonymous and it is harder to harm to somebody that you know.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:51 PM
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5. Racism isn't dehumanizing?
I think it's dehumanizing.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:55 PM
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11. The default template
of those poor Ami souls dumped into this quagmire is racism. The ones who see the "other" as human beings and live to return to the U.S. will be forever changed. The good ol' boys who jes wanna do some sand nigger whoppin' will bring that horror back to your shores. Gawd bless Amurika.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:07 PM
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13. Mein Gott! Hilf uns!
:hug:

It's just a nickname Karenina! :eyes:

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:32 PM
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16. What these damn fools don't get
is that their color does NOT protect them from the *lizards. They CLING to that idea, but it's just so much smoke and mirrors.



I need to take a DU break and a few of these..


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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:29 PM
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14. Here is some more:
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 05:30 PM by Jara sang
Hodgies aren't very good craftsmen. They can't seem to fix the plumbing leaks in our building and everything they do is halfway.

You aint a kidding. Paper here is like 80 grit. Got to love the soft feal of baby wipes. Granted its better than the hodgies. They use their hand to clean. Nasty bastards. I was actually asked if we really use paper. Then the hodg told me that was disgusting. I told him useing your hand is nasty. He said he washes after hes done. I asked where the soap he uses is. He said nothing. Sick bastards. Let me tell you the iraqi kababs due nasty things to you also. Got to love to trot......

The best part of giving candy out is watching hodgies kill each other over it...I mean uh, the smile on their faces

thats along story and i am very harsh to hodgies cuz i hate them i have been to war several times and i know what they are really like.

but the M9 with two mags will not hold up to a hoard of diabolical, death wanting hodgies that just happen to beleive in Allah

and it just keeps going on and on.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:51 PM
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2. "Maybe it's just something to do"
Most likely a guy who didn't do very well in high school or had no money and no other prospects.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:54 PM
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8. It's really sad.
He sounds really angry at society. Sounds like a fundy too. Reading his blog, he sounds like he's been brainwashed.
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:55 PM
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9. World War II example





The more things change the more they stay the same.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:03 PM
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12. Sounds like a future Timothy McVeigh
Scary shit. Sometimes I don't support the troops, like this one.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:31 PM
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15. They pipe music into their helmets when they are fighting
songs like burn the MF down.... Hey what do expect, it's like a video game, they are out of touch with reality....
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:34 PM
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17. Yep. That can really get an 18-24 year old hopped up.
I hate war. It should be avoided except for the most extreme circumstances because just as these soldiers are dehumanizing their enemies, we are dehumanizing the young men and women who serve in the armed forces. There should be a damned good reason for doing this.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:37 PM
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18. They are lost people

And now they can never come home.
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