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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:14 PM
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Potential bombshell about John Roberts and civil rights! (plus Bob Jones
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 06:20 PM by geek tragedy
university memo that is hidden)

http://www.nysun.com/article/17393

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While an associate counsel in the Reagan White House, President Bush's nominee for the Supreme Court, Judge John Roberts Jr., made an intellectual argument for limiting the application of federal anti-discrimination laws, but he counseled the administration that for political reasons it should not adopt his view.
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Some conservatives also criticized the decision. They argued that only schools taking direct aid from the government should be subject to federal civil rights laws. . . .

Judge Roberts sided with the conservative critics, at least in theory. "There is a good deal of intuitive appeal to the argument," he wrote. "Triggering coverage of an institution on the basis of its accepting students who receive federal aid is not too onerous if only the admissions office is covered. If the entire institution is to be covered, it should be on the basis of something more solid than federal aid to the students."

However, the stampede to overturn Grove City College proved to be too strong for the Reagan administration to resist. Senator Kennedy introduced a bill . . . subjecting any entity doing business with the federal government to the full panoply of anti-discrimination laws.

A Republican senator of Kansas, Robert Dole, countered with a bill that would have reversed the program-by-program aspect of Grove City College, but only for educational institutions.

After some debate, the Reagan White House endorsed Mr. Dole's proposal. Some conservatives were up in arms, including a former secretary of education, Terrell Bell. He wrote to the White House urging it to push for more latitude for schools like Grove City College. It fell to Judge Roberts to propose a response.

After expressing his agreement with Mr. Bell, Judge Roberts wrote, "As a practical matter, however, I do not think the administration can revisit the issue at this late date. ... Reversing our position on that issue at this point would precipitate a firestorm of criticism, with little if any chance of success."

In his memo, Judge Roberts also took a swipe at Mr. Kennedy's legislation, saying it would "radically expand the civil rights laws to areas of private conduct never before considered covered."

The battle over the civil rights legislation continued for several years, but ultimately Mr. Kennedy prevailed. His bill passed in March 1988. Reagan vetoed it and his veto was overridden.

A co-president of the National Women's Law Center, Nancy Duff Campbell, said she was disturbed by the nominee's description of Mr. Kennedy's bill as radical. "That's pretty distressing that he would say that. That's the bill that ultimately passed. That's settled law," she said. "This memorandum does raise concerns about what his views are on civil rights law."

Judge Roberts also kept a file on at least one other contentious civil rights issue, the conflict over the government's right to strip the tax exemption of Bob Jones University because of its ban on interracial dating. That file is not among those presently available for review, according to the library's listing.
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DEMAND that the White House release John Roberts' memo on Bob Jones University!
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Son of California Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:18 PM
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1. its only been a couple of days
and already, we are finding some dirt.
give it a month, we'll paint this guy up like Hitler.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:28 PM
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5. not interested
in "painting him up like Hitler"

Just want the truth to be seen.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:23 PM
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2. He also represented the state of Hawaii in upholding affirmative action
and argued so before the supreme court while in practice at Hogan and Hartson. Evidently he's argued both sides of affirmative action and environmental protection, represented both Democrats and Republicans.

This site has a wealth of info on his cases and rulings

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/John-G.-Roberts,-Jr.#On_Federalism:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:25 PM
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3. This is different. These memos are his PERSONAL opinions. Not
the opinions of his client.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:28 PM
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4. ok
I just thought you might be interested in learning about his background more generally so I pointed you to the site. The NewsHour also had a discussion about him tonight.

What is your list of replacements for Roberts? And what strategy do you have to get a better nominee rather than a worse one?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:30 PM
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7. I didn't say he should be rejected outright. However, I certainly want
to know the man's real opinions on civil rights law before pronouncing him even tolerable.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:33 PM
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8. I agree
but I got the impression the point was digging up dirt rather than learning about him. I guess that was the other poster. Tell you the truth, the more I hear about him, he sounds okay. The prof from GWU on the NewsHour thought it noteworthy that he represented both Dems and Republicans while at Hogan and Hartson, because it stands in contrast to some of the right wing lawyers like Ted Olson who consistently represents movement conservatives and rarely if ever Dems. I don't get the impression Roberts is an ideologue, but I agree it is extremely important to have a thorough hearing.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:36 PM
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9. He strikes me as a little too Manchurian Candidate.
I also am suspicious of his role in 2000--that's a red flag.

But, it could have been a lot worse.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:40 PM
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10. advised Jeb
during the Fl recount, according to that website
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:44 PM
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11. I probably can't be fair to any Republican involved in that whole affair.
*Checks blood pressure*
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:52 PM
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12. I hear ya
but we also have to be realistic. Bush will only appoint conservatives.
It's a question of how bad they are. David Boies, who represented Gore in Bush V Gore, gave a strong endorsement of Roberts. Liberal law prof. Laurence Tribe also likes him and doesn't understand why the right wing groups are so keen on him. Roberts seems very well respected by lawyers across the political spectrum.

I'd love another Earl Warren or Thurgood Marshall, but it won't happen. I'm afraid Bush would respond to a defeat by nominating a real loon, Priscilla Owen or Janice Rodgers Brown, or someone like that. My concern is getting the best court we can manage, given the circumstances we face with Bush in charge. I honestly expected a lot worse than Roberts.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:29 PM
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6. ps, the site also covers his judicial rulings on the DC circuit
and some of what he has written about legal principle
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RickWn Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:40 PM
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13. And I hear you
I'll head on over to that site a little later this weekend, but given our position, I agree that Bush could have done a lot worse than going with Roberts.

We all knew Bush would nominate a conservative. What I'm looking for behind the smoke and mirrors is a religious ideologue. That would spook me and turn me 100% against the guy.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-religion. I'm anti-theocracy.

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