Wilson on Olbermann-laid it all out

[Generator]

Such a distinguished guy. More class in his left toe than Bush's whole body.

Olbermann brought up my POINT at the end:(yeah!)what would it change your credibility or the findings- even if it were true that your wife was the one to send you to Africa to investigate?

It wouldn't. Suspect something more Keith? Ahh..that that could be speculated upon in prime time.

The media will never touch this. The point of Plame was to get Plame- nothing else makes as much sense. Of course they wanted to get Wilson-but this doesn't get him except to hurt his wife personally. It doesn't change the facts. NO yellow cake.

I know maybe they just wanted to put Joe Wilson's wife out of a job-but she still has a CIA job just no longer a covert one in WMD.

They risked so much-it is a crime-when they could have found another avenue to smear Wilson and leave the wife out of it.

[rodeodance]

1. lets just say their ambitions got the better of them and I hope they go

DOWN!!!!!!

[havocmom]

5. The hearings today were really interesting. Larry Johnson and the others

were fantastic. Lang was great. The chess game is about to come to check-mate, methinks. Rove/Scooter/Cheney are SOOO outclassed.

What worries me is Cheney is a wounded animal backed into a corner. He has no moral fiber what so ever. God help us. Hope the spooks have the military brass in on the game and nobody pushes any buttons on Dick's orders. The bastard would not hesitate to start WWIII to save his own stinking hide.

[cynatnite]

2. Wilson's wife was working on WMD proliferation at the time of her outing

Kill two birds with one stone, IMO.

[blm]

9. Right. Who's done more illegal arms dealing than Bushes and their cronies?

After proliferating every type of weapon that exists for DECADES, did anyone think the Bushes, Bath, Khan, Khasoggi et al, just decided to STOP one day?

Bush's close pal, Menem was caught dealing arms to Iran in recent years.

No way did they stop because it's the arms dealing that guarantees unrest in countries all over the world which forces large nations to BUY MORE and BIGGER arms in an effort to avoid being overthrown by guerillas and terrorists.

They're all getting their arms from the same sources for the most part.

[nicknameless]

24. They killed a third bird as well:

They sent the clear message that they will do ANYTHING to get revenge on those who dissent. There is no level to which they will not stoop.

According to Robert F. Kennedy Jr., (heard on "Ring of Fire" a week or two ago), another person involved with the "front company" lost her live as a result of the leak. Wish I had more information about that, but I've only heard it from him.

[Lorien]

3. I always wondered; was getting her "out of a job" the intended end

result, or did they actually put her life in danger? I guess we'll never really know what all she was involved with at the time, but her status at the CIA, her location, and her specialty (WMD trafficking) seems like the sort of thing that might lead to risky associations-"desk job" or not. Was the real intent one that was more akin to a mafia kingpin putting a hit out on someone to "send a message" to others who might be considering disloyalty? I don't put anything beyond Rove and Co., but then again, maybe I've seen too many movies. :shrug:

[katsy]

7. It's not just you who wonders...

I believe they were sending a message and we're dealing with slugs here who would hurt a person's family. The Wilson's have 2 small children. WTF were these criminals thinking?

[FreedomAngel82]

27. It is good to ponder about that

But I think they just wanted to get rid of Plame as a CIA agent and her information. I don't think they were expecting this to come back out and about but luckily it did. Of course with these people nothing surprises me.

[Samantha]

4. Wilson's words "a breach of trust" will reverberate

Whether ultimately or not a crime is proven, the breach of trust between the intelligence community and the Bush* administration, as well as the breach of trust between the Bush* administration and the American people, will stand. That's it -- the bottom line. There very well might be proven to be a crime prosecuted by Fitzgerald, but regardless, the breach of trust will stand.

Wilson was articulate, credible, to the point. Yes, he has a lot of class, but most of all he and his wife have a lot of courage. That's something that has been missing among many of our so-called leaders.

He made an extremely fine point when the said, not one Republican politician has stood up and said what Rove and Libby did was wrong. Not one. Unbelievable, isn't it?

[Cha]

12. Yeah, where's lincoln d. chafee?

susan collins, olympia snow..I'm trying to think of honorable ones?

mccain already lied his fatass off on tweety regarding this..not that I think mccain is honorable, cause I don't!

[babylonsister]

6. I also thought Wilson was eloquent and agree

that Plame is the real target; Wilson was the way to get to her, though careers were ruined-
Per Wilson:
- good names were besmirched despite their public service.
- "They knew" as far as Top Secret texts and non-disclosure agreements.
- The president is responsible for a breach of trust between the American people and the CIA
- this is a national security issue
- KO said to Wilson they "ruined your wife's usefulness."
And finally, from Wilson, the president had a responsibility to fulfill his own orders.

[Booster]

13. I think Plame was a target, but I think the REAL target was the

people she was working with; they were getting way too much information about Cheney/Halliburton dealings in the Middle East which would have fallen under the heading of "illegal" had the American people known. Cheney is Fitzpatrick's target and I hope he gets him.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. Exactly

These people WILL kill for anything dealing with money and power. Just follow the oil.

[pacalo]

17. Perhaps the administration's team players in the CIA

needed to replace Plame in her WMD role with someone of their own smarmy character to carry out their sordid business. Was she a target before Novak's article came out?

[FreedomAngel82]

29. Good point!

Right after last November in December Bush purged the CIA. Anybody who wasn't a loyalist and a "yes" person got fired. He really screwed up the CIA big time.

[pacalo]

31. Being surrounded by yes men certainly curtails any chance for

straightforward, honest intelligence information, doesn't it. Yes, I remember the CIA purge scandal well.

[Jazzgirl]

8. Joe Wilson was great on Olbermann.

He is the epitome of class. I knew his LTTE would be the catalyst smack-down of this misadministration. I'm gonna sit back with my :popcorn:

[savemefromdumbya]

10. Republicans are focussing on Wilson

in case you haven't noticed LOL! what else to can they do?

[Generator]

11. Tell the truth

I am learning, however, that isn't a Republican value.

[RagAss]

14. Kicked and Nominated

[pacalo]

15. On "Hardball", John Podesta did make the point

that the administration's concocting (my expression) the story about Plame sending Wilson to Niger was to justify bringing Plame's name out in the open.

But whether the media will carry that excellent point is anyone's guess.

[understandinglife]

16. When we know the difference between V Plame & David Kelly, we will ...

... know the full truth of the situation.

It may just be that Ambassador Wilson's article saved his wife's life.

Just a thought.

WATCH IT; SPREAD IT http://www.bushflash.com/right.html

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

[blm]

19. No doubt about it. We know how BushInc operates.

.

[Generator]

30. Whoa.

I never connected those dots.

The Sunday Telegraph has the headline: "Kelly's last cry for help: 'I'm haunted by many dark actors playing games.'"

It says: "The mystery of Dr. Kelly's death deepened with the revelation that he sent friends e-mails hours before his death, talking of being haunted by 'many dark actors playing games
The newspaper also says the ministry of defense has admitted it privately gave Dr. Kelly's name to three newspapers on July 9, despite assurances to Kelly that his identity would be kept secret.

"This contradicted earlier claims by Geoff Hoon, the defense secretary, that there had been no such breach of confidentiality," the newspaper says.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/07/20/blair.kelly.sunday.press/


http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1131833,00.html

As specialist medical professionals, we do not consider the evidence given at the Hutton inquiry has demonstrated that Dr David Kelly committed suicide.

[julianer]

34. Kelly was also 'outed'

by the Ministry of Defence, possibly at the insistence of government. This was on the 8th/9th July 2003 - at about the same time as Plame, also a leading WMD expert, was outed.

[vickitulsa]

35. Outed -- and then assassinated?

Peace Patriot on another thread has drawn attention to the very revealing timeline of the Plame outing, her front company's exposure, and the Kelly "suicide." He asks some important questions about the whole Kelly side of the story re WMD investigations in Iraq, what Kelly knew and *could* reveal.

I hope we learn more about this part of the puzzle -- the conspiracy? -- and soon. If the MSM gets a strong whiff of what might be cooking re Kelly's "coincidental" death, more layers of the onion could be peeled back quickly and reveal much....

[brettdale]

18. kick

kick

[babylonsister]

20. .

[AuntiBush]

21. Not All, But I Really Want to Know How Most Talking Heads

Sleep at nights. David Corn, David Gregory have stood in the last week or two, but the way some of these spinners do just that - spin the questions and even the answers. Is it any wonder the public doesn't get it. Sorry, but sometimes I think Keith could stop with the satire and know when it's time to get serious. Then again, maybe it's the best he can do for us. And that's worse then sad.

Money now equates to honor, and the issue is about yellow-cake/niger/no WMD/lies/faus war/death/destruction/fascism/dictatorship/all the NOCS/CIA outed meaning how many have lost their lives, living in fear, or may never come to the aide of this country.

And I dare say I'd not blame them, sadly so.

[Nothing Without Hope]

22. READ THIS THREAD TO SEE WHY THEY WANTED PLAME OUT OF WORK:

It will curl your toes. The picture is beginning to come together;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4169890
Thread title: Niger forgeries: SISMI, OSP, Ledeen, Feith, Iran-Contra - It's ALL here!

They had and have a LOT to lose if the lid is blown off the full extent of their crimes. The Plame outing and the Niger uranium forgery and its use to justify Iraq invasion - it's all connected.

[mwb970]

33. There's only ONE STORY.

All the dots connect. It's amazing.

[rainman99]

23. Repeat after me: Motive. Who has the motive to lie?

We have to keep pounding on this because they are already
saying the reporters lied during their testimony, which is
totally ludicrous.

[Narraback]

25. Kick

nt

[Disturbed]

26. The Bush Regime will say and do anything...

to stay in power. We should be worried.

[Paradise]

32. the repercussions are deep and wide... n/t