The CONGRESS CRITTERS HAVE SEEN the abuse documentation!

[BeHereNow]

WHAT are we going to do about their silent condonment?
They know all about it, they have seen it, and yet,
WHO has spoken against it?
PEOPLE- what are we going to do about their silence?
They KNOW- they have SEEN the photos and the videos.
WHAT are we going to do about their complicity in covering it all up?
I am sick, sick of it all.
My tax dollars have been spent to abuse children-
my representatives know and have said NOTHING.
THEY MUST GO-ALL OF THEM.
They have said NOTHING about it- no protest, no
transparency, no accountabilty, even though OUR tax
dollars pay their salaries.
My fellow Americans, lurking freepers included,
is THIS your America?
I think not.
What ever our differences my Freeper friends,
I KNOW you do not condone the sexual abuse
of innocent children on your tax dollar.
What are WE going to do about it?
BHN

[annabanana]

1. nominated for fury's sake.......n/t

[fooj]

2. IMO, these people are not fit to call themselves Americans!

I am through with those sanctimonious, lying ratbastards. They can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned. This isn't just about nasty politics in DC. This is about Americans who aided and abetted these evil, maniacal monsters. I don't believe that their participation (Repub or Dem) in all of this horrific madness should bear no consequence. ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. Every spineless repub (and dem) in this country OWNS this bullshit. That's right. Ownership. Now, what are THEY going to do about it?

We must DEMAND accountability!

Peace.

[sandnsea]

60. Introducing legislation for an Independent Commission

I'm sticking this here so people that click on this link will see it. Call it a hijack, I don't care. I've posted this ad nauseum; nobody, anywhere, cares. Because it doesn't fit with the do-nothing Dem propaganda bullshit.


http://www.ligLeading Democrats called for an Independent Commission to investigate US policies and practices towards detainees along with alleged abuse. The Levin Amendment will create the Commission and will be introduced as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act. Sens. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., John Rockefeller, D-W.V., and Jack Reed, D-R.I., joined Senator Levin who stated, “We are calling for an Independent Commission on the Treatment of Detainees because the Defense Department has shown that it is not capable of investigating itself,” said Levin. “The most serious scandal in recent military history needs an objective investigation.”

MORE:
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1281

[Jo March]

68. I clicked but it didn't work

? I care.

Seen my website lately? I care.

[fooj]

75. I want to see it, arnheim.

:hi:

[Jo March]

76. www.domainofarnheim.com

I get some nasty email sometimes but whatever. I'm redoing it and need to figure out where to put the abuse stuff so it will be seen.

Any suggestions for the site design would be great!

:loveya: fooj!

[Gronk Groks]

3. Nominated for saying...

...what has to be said.
:kick:

[BeHereNow]

7. Welcome to DU, my fellow Patriot-

It IS the ultimate question, is it not?
How can our representatives, who have
WITNESSED the abuses be silent?
HOW is that possible?
They KNOW what has happened and yet
they have said NOTHING.

Silently contemplate witnessing the sodomizing of a child and
tell me WHO in their fucking right mind would remain silent?
Whoever they are, they do NOT represent me or any other
American I know, Republican or Democratic.
For me, THIS is the bottom line.
As an American, I will NOT tolerate or condone
my goverment or military abusing a child.
And I will NOT tolerate representatives who
remain silent about it.
BHN

[savemefromdumbya]

4. Perhaps some Senators (when they find the time) could....

perhaps they could break away from their summer beach parties and the Tour De France and do some serious politics?

[bvar22]

5. Only some have seen it.

IIRC, only those sitting on the Senate Committee were in the room the next day to view the other evidence that was too gruesome for America to see.

[eleny]

6. Then they should have held a news conference immediately

...On the steps of the Cap and shouted it loud enough to be heard from coast to coast.

[bvar22]

10. I'm Googling for members of the Committee.

It was the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The only members I remember are:

John Warner, (R, Va.) Chairman

Lindsey Graham, (R, SC)

Hillary Clinton (D, NY)

Joe Biden (D, Del)


Those are the only 4 I can remember.
I beleive that ALL the Democrats on this committee are in Bush*s back pocket on the War and helped whitewash the Hearings. Joe Biden DID give some good soundbytes, but ultimately, they ALL decided to withhold the TRUTH about Abu-Ghraib from the American People.


Does ANYONE remember who the other committee members were?

[eleny]

12. Here they are

http://armed-services.senate.gov/members.htm

REPUBLICANS

John Warner (Virginia)
Chairman

John McCain (Arizona)
James M. Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Pat Roberts (Kansas)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)
Susan M. Collins (Maine)
John Ensign (Nevada)
James M. Talent (Missouri)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Lindsey O. Graham (South Carolina)
Elizabeth Dole (North Carolina)
John Cornyn (Texas)
John Thune (South Dakota)


DEMOCRATS

Carl Levin (Michigan)
Ranking Member

Edward M. Kennedy (Massachusetts)
Robert C. Byrd (West Virginia)
Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut)
Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii)
Bill Nelson (Florida)
E. Benjamin Nelson (Nebraska)
Mark Dayton (Minnesota)
Evan Bayh (Indiana)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (New York)

[BeHereNow]

19. To know that Byrd is among them pains me to no end.

War criminals, all of them.
To know and not expose- DISGUSTING and
UNFORGIVable-
Traitors to the American people, each and every one.
Sorry Senator Byrd, but I can not forgive you this and
will never think of you with the same high regard again.
So much for your professed Christianity.
You are no better than a Pharisee in my eyes at this point.
BHN

[bvar22]

32. Thanks.

I distinctly remember Joe Biden sitting in. He did that evil grinning thing while telling a witness "The Reason WE don't torture is so that MY SON doesn't get tortured!" Great Videobyte. Played well.
Then he went along with the whitewash and supression of the TRUTH. Oh, Well.

[jbnow]

40. Some of those names are

who have/are introducing bills regarding treatment of prisoners. McCain and Graham are sponsoring one (to attach to defense spending?)and bush says he will veto the whole bill if it is there.

There are Democrats sponsoring some too and it's said Republican version is being pushed because it is more moderate. Levin has been trying to get investigations going.

cheney has met with these errant republicans, saying bush needs the flexibility to "protect America".
If I were less lazy I'd just link to the articles. But I was thinking as I read them that these guys have seen the pictures and they make an impression. I don't think they'll back down, especially now with all the scandals and secrets emerging.

I'd rather that they push hard on those things then on the release of the pictures. Even more then them needing to be shown the atmosphere that allows it needs to be ended.

[joanne]

14. I'd like to know who they are too

Anyone know?

[BeHereNow]

13. EXACTLY! Hello?

ANY human with a shred of decency would
immediately protest such a thing.
And to actually enable the DELUSION that even those
who have not seen the documentation have not
heard the gorey details from their colleagues is
ever so naiive.
They KNOW and they have done/said NOTHING,
Therefore, IF there are ANY decent Americans left in
this country, and frankly I don't care which party they
are affiliated with anymore, I want to hear from them.
ARE there any people left in this country, left or right,
who give a flying fuck that their tax dollars have been used
to sexually abuse children or that their representatives,
although knowing about the abuse, have done NOTHING?

BHN

[DanCa]

8. But they have no qualms showing us "aborted fetus" on the highways.

Monsters each and everyone of them.

[BeHereNow]

9. Kick, because you NEED to think about it!

Lurking freepers included-
Could this be the issue that unites us?
Or do you secretly condone the sexual
sodomization of children?
Register that statement.
That is what you are supporting when you support
the silencing of this issue.
Do you have a child?
Imagine your child being sodomized and
relpy accordingly.
BHN

[fooj]

17. McCain is a vile SOB!!! How the hell can he NOT be outraged?

Enough is enough. Lets overload their mailboxes with e-mails...

Peace.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. I don't get McCain either

He out of them all should understand torture and abuse better than anybody. I wonder how Bush got him in his back pocket. *Sigh*

[ConfuZed]

11. Have they described what was in those photos or....

:grr:

[mmonk]

15. All who have seen it and are silent

need to be removed from the Senate Chamber and replaced with people of honor. Silence is guilt.

[fooj]

18. Guilt by appeasement.

Peace.

[BeHereNow]

21. Silence is treason against WE, the PEOPLE.

WHO among us, Freeper or otherwise, would
give consent-
But how are we to deny our consent when our
representatives, though having witnessed the evidence,
fail to inform us what has been done in our name
and with our dollar.
Traitors, each and everyone who has knowledge and has
failed to inform us.
BHN

[coffeenap]

16. Link to Armed Services Committee list:

http://armed-services.senate.gov/members.htm

[napi21]

20. I suspect they aren't allowed to say anything yet.

Remember this BS is still in the courts! They were supposed to be released on Fri but the WH filed a stay.

I'm not trying to make excuses for any of them, but I really am sure these photos were shown to them in confidence until they were released.

[rodeodance]

22. I thought all members were allowed to view the photos??

[BeHereNow]

23. Allowed? WHO pays their salaries?

You see your neighbor beat their child-
you need to wait for someone to ALLOW you to report it?
Allow?
Abuses against children do not fall in my realm
of "allowed."
ESPECIALLY when they are committed on my dime
with the complicity of my government and representatives.
BHN

[napi21]

25. They see all kind of confidential documents all the time!

For God sake! You really think Ted Kennedy would keep quiet if he had the chance to slam this admin?

I don't know if the entire Senate saw them, or if it was only the one committee, but they are sworn to secrecy about many things all the time.

Haven't you ever heard them say, All I can say is XXX without revealing confidential info?

I know you want these pics to be released, and so do I, but you're being a bit radical in your critism of the Senators.

[BeHereNow]

27. AS IF those who have not seen them

have not heard from their colleagues?
Please, have some more kool-aid.
BHN
On edit- What ever it is you are smoking,
please pass it over, I would love to indulge
an hour or so of my life to whatever state of
denial you have secured for yourself.

[napi21]

42. Sorry, no koolaid, just beer, but if you'd like one, let me go get

one from the fridge!

Hee ya go. :toast:

BTW, I'm sure they did talk about the pixs with their colleagues, and their staff too. That doesn't give them the option to talk about them publicly.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. The WH didn't "File" anything. They refused to hand over the images,

as they had promised, and they delivered a sealed letter with some justification, which of course we're not allowed to see either.

As far as I know, the Judge has not said whether this is legitimate. It sounds to me like a case of contempt, frankly.

[Zorbuddha]

24. End the secrecy kick!

damn it all to hell.

I'm so sick of being disgusted. Where are the heroes?

[BeHereNow]

26. The Heroes have all been eliminated by the TRAITORS

I am pained beyond words to learn that Senator Byrd,
my last knight in shining armor, has seen and said nothing
about the abuse videos.
I am sick at heart to learn this.
BHN

[Zorbuddha]

30. I only hope they had a plan for dealing with this

and were just keeping their powder dry. After all, the new abuse evidence was supposed to be released and wasn't.

Maybe they didn't want to steal the attention from the other white-hot issues of the day?

Now that the abuse videos have not been released, I expect all hell to break loose on this.

[pauldp]

28. It is time to cut out all of the cancer.

The members of both parties who have been silent during the perpetration of this seemingly endless list of crimes against humanity MUST ALL GO! It is time. THIS is the last straw!

HOW CAN THEY CONTINUE TO BE SILENT?!!

[BeHereNow]

31. Duh...THAT IS my question-

some of the replies to this thread indulge
a certan fantasy that certain members have
not seen the documentation, or are somehow
legally bound not to reveal what they know-
WHO do they work for again?
And,
DO you seriously believe that those who have
not seen the documentation have not heard about
the contents in full?
WHY else would they be so agreeable to covering it up?
THEY KNOW that it spells a REVOLUTION and a demand
for their resignation.
BHN

[pauldp]

37. Are you implying that I'm indulging such a fantasy ?

I'm sure there are 3 or 4 people in the congress who will try to raise a stink. That's probably about it.

How far do you think the corruption goes? Beyond this issue? Beyond the congress, beyond the media? I think it's rotten to the core,
but watch yourself, DU does not support calls for the overthrow of our government.

Even if it does get out in some form. How do you start an uprising of people that are sedated with lies, consumerism and empty entertainment?


edit - typo

[BeHereNow]

43. Not sure why you took my post personally, but since you did

let's look at your post, shall we?

"I'm sure there are 3 or 4 people in the congress who will try to raise a stink. That's probably about it."
3 or 4?
As a taxpayer, is that okay with you?
Given that war crimes have been committed in your name
as an American? SODOMY of children? 3 or 4?

How far do you think the corruption goes? Beyond this issue? Beyond the congress, beyond the media?
I think it's rotten to the core,
but watch yourself, DU does not support calls for the overthrow of our government.

If it is ROTTEN TO THE CORE AS YOU AND I AGREE ON,
replacing ROTTEN and treasonous representatives does
not constitute an overthrow- it constitutes restoring the
moral fiber of our Republic, which if proven to be in silent
agreement of crimes against children NEEDS reform.
That is PATRIOTIC, not subversive.

Even if it does get out in some form. How do you start an uprising of people that are sedated with lies,
consumerism and empty entertainment?

Wel, how about starting with revealing the TRUTH about
what our government has done?
My guess is that the average American, addicted to
info-tainment that passes for news might be attracted
to a real-life story, reality TV style naturally, and
MIGHT just wake up and be HORRIFIED by what has
happened to these children and DEMAND justice
and corrective measures and accountability?

BHN

[pauldp]

54. Just clarifying what you meant, but while I'm here...

I like the real-life story reality TV show idea, BUT who would air it? Given the complicity of the corporate media in all of the lies and the incredible deftness with which they spin facts and muddy the waters of truth, it is difficult to imagine this story (or any story for that matter) generating enough outrage to ultimately result in the removal of the ENTIRE LINE UP OF USUAL SUSPECTS come November 2006. As sad as it is to say, if blowing up tens of thousands of innocent civilians in an illegal war does not do it, I'm afraid the sodomy of a few poor innocent children will not either.

Also, how do you you propose we replace most of the congress?
Since that seems to be what we agree needs to be done.
Vote them out of office? We would need a functioning electoral system to do that. The election reform movement is a valiant effort but an extremely daunting uphill battle. I'm all for keeping hope alive and getting the truth out but I think we need to be realistic about what we are up against here. Dems & Repugs - Coke and Sprite - buy either one and your still giving your money to the same company. Rather cliche, but oh so true. Their silence is just the repetition of a tried and true tactic that has served them well time and time again. It worked with the stolen election, it worked with the lies leading to war and the disturbing questions that still remain about 911. I hope this is the last straw. I hope something gives and people wake up but I think it will take a miracle of creative grass roots energy and imagination to plant the seeds of awareness in the sleeping herd.

[Lecky]

29. Here's the kicker

I want everyone in this country to be aware of the horror that is being done in all of our names but what happens when these pictures get released to the wrong people? It could endanger our troops even more no?

I hate the endangering our troops cop-out line but in this specific case this very well could make things worse.

(although members of Congress who say dumb shit like bombing Mecca seem to be just dandy)

Then again, I DO think those photos should be released. I just hate how most of our country is blind to what really goes on and I hate how those fuckers responsible will most likely not be punished. There needs to be major outrage by the public or I fear this will just be forgotten like it never happened. If they do get punished will we even know about it? I don't trust the evil fucks in charge to do anything right.

[BeHereNow]

34. Oh Honey- there is NO doubt

that the release of the documentation of these
abuses would cause immediate and horrific blowback
for our troops.
That is NOT what I want, but on the other hand,
the blowback might also demand an accountability
of those responsible and an immediate withdrawal of our troops.
What is that sayng in the Chinese culture?
The symbol for crisis is identical to the symbol for opportunity.
The full realization of the American people of what has been
done in their names, with our young troops and on our dollar,
MIGHT actually create the opportunity for CHANGE.
I do not for ONE minute believe that there is ONE republican
or conservative that would go along with the abuse of children
IF they knew that it had happened.
BHN

[walldude]

36. Actually I think the blowback in Iraq might not be

as bad as everyone is saying. I have a feeling most Iraqi's already know what's on those disks. You get a whole different set of news when you are out of the country. Other nations know alot more about what's going on in Iraq than we do. The report from Germany about the 107 children being held in Abu Grahib is evidence of that...

[rucky]

59. Here's an idea for the troops...

Don't torture people, and you won't endanger your military brothers & sisters. There will be a blame-the-messenger campaign we need to get ready for, but the responsibility of endangering the troops lies with the torturers and those who ordered and condoned it.

No more sympathy. It's time for a few good men to blow the whistle on this barbaric operation.

[ScamUSA.Com]

63. the rest of the world already knows about the abuses

they probably have first hand accounts even.

the need for the pictures to be released is specifically to wake up the ignorant in the US

[Nothing Without Hope]

35. Remember too - most of them, including many Democrats, voted for

Gonzales for Attorney General - despite his memo to Bush saying that the President is not bound by the Geneva Conventions, which he called "quaint"

Negroponte for czar of the world-wide US secret police (by whatever name it's called, that's what it is) - despite his past in Iran/Contra and death squads

Rice as Secretary of State despite her repeated, proven lies about the Iraq War and absolutely everything else

and so much more, including the craven Bankruptcy Law, the ID Law, and more.

WE MUST HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND GET THEM THE HELL OUT OF OFFICE AND REPLACED WITH PEOPLE WE CAN TRUST

[glitch]

50. Hear hear - we won't forgive or forget the people who enabled this. nt

[MinneapolisMatt]

38. You are so right.

And I am so sick of it all too, I can hardly type.

What can we do? I'm at a loss.

- Matt

[wiggle-room]

39. Disagree - it would be a mistake for Dems to yell about this just yet.

There may come a time for Dems to demand release of these photos, but not yet. I think we should avoid being the messengers here, if possible.

I want these pics released as much as anyone, justice screams for it. It will end the bush regime, the people who did these inhuman things. And I want to see justice done.And not just the twisted fucks that created the climate for these atrocities, but the twisted fucks who committed them as well. But...

1 - If all Dems and whatever patriotic Repubs are left - if there are any - stood up tomorrow and shouted about the attempted coverup, what do you think the spin from the right would be? Dems hate the troops, that's what. Remember Durbin? He had to apologize, in no small part because public opinion could be manipulated to swing hard against the Dems because we "called the troops Nazis." Have I read that somewhere, no, but it seems easily deduced to me. And you know the same thing would happen if Dems stood up in Congress and demanded the release of those photos. At this point.


2 - rovegate appears destined to do real, lasting damage to the same group of thugs. We have a voice in this, Dems in Congress on this. A call right now from Dems to release photos of our people doing terrible things would weaken our hand here, politically, in public opinion And this Rove thing has got the best chance of anything Ive seen to take down this ruthless gang.

Again, not to argue that the pics shouldn't be released and asap, they should.These crimes cannot go unpunished. This is a better country than that, and only better if justice is done in this case. And the release, and widespread knowledge of what has been done in our name will make justice happen.

Until we know the outcome of the regime's appeal, whether it will even be allowed, we should hold our horses on this. We can't undo the crimes. If this news can be brought to America by the media, rather than by Dems, the better.

The goal is to dislodge and bring to justice the criminals who have seized power in this country. We should go about binging that to pass as smartly as possible.

I will say this, tho - if the appeal stops the timely release of these photos - this evidence of war crimes - then by all means, every last Democrat, and decent person in America should scream for justice as loudly and for as long as they can. But now, until we know how the appeal will turn out, isn't smart. Politically, and therefore otherwise.


Imho.

[G_j]

41. to see it, and then not pursue justice

they are complicit in the crimes

[BeHereNow]

44. THANK YOU!

THAT is the point of my original post.
I guess I am crazy for pointing it out?
But of course.
BHN

[leftchick]

69. Exactly

it is infuriating to see our so called representatives in congress not screaming holy hell about this!

[Catrina]

45. You ask who spoke against it?

Sen. Durbin did. When the rightwing vilified him I don't recall many Democrats stepping forward to slam those who attacked him and to fully support his efforts to try to stop the abuse. He is still a target of the vicious rightwing because of his attempts to do right the wrongs that have been done. True, he didn't go far enough and was dealing only with the FBI report, which is benigh compared to what is in these pictures.

Others began to speak out last year, including Sen. Leahy, during the hearings, and Sen. Graham. Sen. Inhofe, otoh, who had been absent from the hearings, which were heading toward getting the resignation of Donald Rumsfeld and maybe others, returned and I will never forget him saying 'I am more outraged by the outrage than I am by the torture stories' or words to that effect. I despise that man. He truly must be evil, knowing what he knows and defending it that way.

Things quickly began to change after that ~ Rush Limbaugh and the whole disgusting rightwing propaganda machine went into action, ridiculing the already available pictures, ignoring what was revealed even in those pictures, the dead Iraqi man, eg (whose little boy posed with a picture of his dead father being laughed at by a leering female US soldier under the title 'the making of a terrorist'}, and other horrors done in the name of the American people.

What really ended the hearings was the Nick Berg video which appeared just in time to 'justify' anything we might do, according to the apologists for these crimes.

When Cheney used the 'F' word to Leahy, I believe it was because Leahy was insisting on resuming the hearings as planned.

No one can pretend they do not know what is in those pictures. Initially they were in the possession of CBS. I believe some of them were seen in Norway (I saw a story about the horror expressed by the Norwegian govt. demanding that something be done or they would withdraw their trooops, which they eventually did). Some were seen in Germany also. Stories began to appear in the foreign press about them. It appears that only Americans have been kept in the dark and they wonder 'why do they hate us'.

I hate to tell you this, but if you think that seeing these pictures of children being tortured will change the minds of the rabid rightwingers who appear to control the Republican party, they won't.

I have linked rightwingers to several stories, one of a little 12 year old Iraqi girl who was brought to Abu Ghraib to make her brother talk, according to a reporter who was detained in Abu Ghraib at the time.

I thought surely even the most avid Bush supporter could not condone such vile behavior. But I was wrong. They created scenarios to justify the torture of even children as young as six. I had been on that board for several years at that time, but was so sickened by their defense of Abu Ghraib and the abuse of children, that I left and realized that such minds are too sick to try to change.

I can't explain why there has been such silence on this for so long, especially from those who in the beginning WERE outraged.

But not only were our so-called representatives silent, so are the Churches. I stopped attending my Church a while ago because I hear nothing about these atrocities there. And because Catholics were encouraged to put this administration back in office.

Sen. Durbin was not only right, he did not go far enough ~ and because the Right has made so little of this abuse, and because of what they tried to do to anyone who spoke out against it, I believe it is necessary for these pictures to be seen ~ because the American people need to stop listening to the lies of the apologists and decide for themselves if what went on was 'hazing' or 'kids letting off steam'. And because they need to know that Sen. Durbin was silenced when he tried to stop it.

[Pallas180]

46. Biden spoke against Durbin too...and Durbin was right. It is

outrageous that he had to apologize

[mmonk]

47. I think the Dems know

that under current politics and the mood of the country the last few years, for them to keep complaining about it without the American people being privy, the press will dismiss dems as being partisan. Unless the American people see for themselves, they won't pay attention and many will believe rightwing talking points. That being said, something needs to be done, however.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. They're shit scared- remember the "outrage about the outrage"?

And then the Nick Berg video, which of course was the fault of everyone who ever said anything about the first round of pictures.

[burrowowl]

51. I hope our

Democrats put up soon!
Or else, it is Sieg Heil! for America!

[Mnemosyne]

52. .

:kick:

[LibertyorDeath]

53. Thank you BHN

the US is the only country, other than Somalia, not to have signed the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which states in its Article 37:

States Parties shall ensure that:

(a) No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Neither capital punishment nor life imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for offences committed by persons below eighteen years of age;

(b) No child shall be deprived of his or her liberty unlawfully or arbitrarily. The arrest, detention or imprisonment of a child shall be in conformity with the law and shall be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time;

(c) Every child deprived of liberty shall be treated with humanity and respect for the inherent dignity of the human person and in a manner which takes into account the needs of persons of his or her age. In particular, every child deprived of liberty shall be separated from adults unless it is considered in the child's best interest not to do so and shall have the right to maintain contact with his or her family through correspondence and visits, save in exceptional circumstances;

(d) Every child deprived of his or her liberty shall have the right to prompt access to legal and other appropriate assistance, as well as the right to challenge the legality of the deprivation of his or her liberty before a court or other competent, independent and impartial authority and to a prompt decision on any such action.

http://www.unicef.org/crc/fulltext.htm

[BigBearJohn]

55. NEW NATIONAL GOP slogan: "We shall leave no child's behind"

[wli]

56. you left off the final "unviolated"

[wli]

57. I recall some noise about this

However, this is deadly serious. Something is far beyond gravely wrong if they're taking it sitting down.

I consider only two conclusions possible: collusion or being held hostage.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

58. Our media showed the contractors burned to death in Fallujah

Those were extremely horrific images, of four American contractors burned to death, dragged through the street, and hung by their heels in public. Yet, they were not too graphic or horrific for our government to step in and stop them from being shown. In fact, those images were shown repeatedly and raised the blood pressure of many Americans and I remember Lawrence Eagleberger on CNN calling for the explosion of a nuclear weapon over the city of Fallujah in retaliation. Those horrific, almost unwatchable video images of burned Americans were in fact encouraged, as they served the political purposes of the Bush Administration.

This is all about politics and the manipulation of public opinion by that which is shown and that which is not shown. The Bush Administration is centered by that which is politically expedient. These allegedly attrocious images from Abu Ghraib are being suppressed for the sole reason that they are highly embarrassing to the Bush Administration and do not further their marketing of this Iraq war to the American people.

[Disturbed]

61. Gonzales for Attorney General

All Dems who voted for this guy shouldn't be in public office.

All Dems who saw the photos and videos many months ago and kept silent about them shouldn't be in public office. They all agreed that they should never be seen by the Amerikan public. Why? I believe that they are in support of the colonization of Iraq and didn't want to put that in jeapordy. Rethugs and most Dems are part of a club of the wealthy who are financed by the Corps of Amerika. The don't go against their benefactors even if it means allowing War Crimes to go unpunished and allowed to continue. These War Crimes are not old news because they are still going on.

[Burried News]

72. Senator Warner, alot of your fellow Senators are taking heat for your

failures. Too bad you don't fight as hard for human rights as you fight against base closings in Virginia.

[Bushfire]

62. bhn, Kohl and Feingold are now complicit

I've got your back!

[bvar22]

67. Feingold voted AGAINST Gonzales.

You are correct about Kohl.
See Post #64 for list of Senators voting with Republicans FOR TORTURE!

[bvar22]

64. Democratic Senators who voted FOR Alberto "Torqmada"

Democratic Senators who voted FOR Alberto "Torqmada" Gonzales Feb 3, 05:

Mary Landrieu, La..... Proud member of the DLC

Mark Pryor, AR ...... . Proud member of the DLC

Bill Nelson, FL ..........Proud member of the DLC

Ben Nelson, NE .........Proud member of the DLC

Joe Lieberman, Israel... Proud member of the DLC

Herb Kohl, WI ...........Proud member of the DLC

Max Baucus, MT ........ Proud member of the DLC AWOL Did not vote

Kent Conrad, ND ...... Proud member of the DLC AWOL Did not vote

Ken Salazar, CO Not officially associated with the DLC (wink)


All other Democratic Senators voted AGAINST Gonzales


Gee, You guys see a pattern yet?

[ooglymoogly]

65. nominated for what is left of the decency of this country

[Stevendsmith]

66. An enraged kick!

[drm604]

70. You know what?

You said: "What ever our differences my Freeper friends,
I KNOW you do not condone the sexual abuse
of innocent children on your tax dollar."

You know what? The sad thing is that, while they may not openly condone it, they will find some convoluted means to spin it or dismiss it. I can't imagine what those means will be (they'll probably involve phrases like "fraternity hijinks" and "rice pilaf") but most likely Frank Luntz and the RNC are already working on their talking points. In my opinion, anyone involved in any kind of organized attempt to spin or minimize this should be brought up on some kind of conspiracy charges. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know if that's possible but perhaps RICO would be appropriate.

[BeHereNow]

71. Respectfully, I disagree-

I have to believe that Americans will a draw
a line somewhere-
If the pictures are as bad as we've heard in heresay,
THIS would be that line.
THAT is why they are fighting the release- they know it too.
They know that Americans, even bushbots, if given
visual imagery and audio that clearly indicates that sexual crimes
have been committed against children by our military
the wheels will fall off the farce of the whole war wagon.
I DO NOT believe that my fellow citizens, how ever
ignorant or misinformed, will dismiss these images if
they see them.
That is why they are fighting the release.
They learned the power of visual imagery back in Vietnam-
It was the power of photography that brought that
debacle to an end.
They are facing the same and worse.
Americans have NO tolerance for sexual abuse
of children.
BHN

[BelgianMadCow]

73. you all should be able to vote for a TRUE opposition party

standing idly by while knowing
your government is torturing inncocents against Geneva
makes you complicit in a war crime
and an enabler of corporato-fascism
and so NOT a member of an opposition party
that by far has the moral high ground

have so many been bought,

speak now, or forever hold your war

[BelgianMadCow]

74. .

kick on my way out

[annabanana]

77. kicking for the office crowd