Diane Feinstein: Neocon-Enabling War Criminal

[Stevendsmith]

Did any one see this piece of human garbage soft-peddle Traitorgate and nod her way through Pat Roberts' GOP talking points recital on Blizter's propaganda broadcast this morning?

I'll give her one thing: She's got Joementum

And don't forget, she's seen the Abu Ghraib child rape photos, but she's mum-like the rest of her petrified Senate colleagues.

[eleny]

1. I'm totally disgusted with "cautious" Democrats

In the end, they stand for nothing.

[Mass]

7. Sure you can be not cautious and say there are too many liberal judges

like Byrd did.

Even if I find Feinstein's position distateful, it is still better than Byrd's. We know where he stands on this one.

[wurzel]

9. There may be a very good reason for this "silence".

It is possible that these photos are of children. The reaction is going to be appalling. Just like "Newsweek" the Dems could be blamed. Totally twisted but that is the reality.

[eleny]

11. How about we not hand wring over Dems looking bad?

How about we focus on putting a stop to the atrocities - that being the sodomizing of children.

[Stevendsmith]

You make a good point

I guess nothing angers me more than the enablers of these war crimes -- especially when they are in the so-called opposition party.

[eleny]

18. Some issues rise above Party

Seymour Hersh said he saw the videos of little boys being sodomized by guards. Am I remembering that right? If Seymour is telling the truth, and I don't doubt him, then there's nothing to disucss but how to put an end to it. Party be damned.

[wurzel]

17. And supposing there are bombings in New York as a result?

Supposing, in revenge, some American kids suffer the same fate as these kids in Iraq? The Repuke media won't blame Bush. It will the Dems that will take the heat. I am no happier than you about this. But the question was what are the Dems so reluctant to come forward, and I am giving a possible reason.

[eleny]

24. We show our morality by putting an end to the child sodomy

Otherwise, our moral platform is totally rotten and we're at even greater risk. If the pictures are turned over, this administration will lose even more supporters on the right who espouse family values. Then we have an even better chance of prevailing in elections and in rebuilding support around the world.

[wurzel]

42. You really believe that?

The rest of the world know about us already and don't get to vote. In fact there are many here who don't get to vote either. The so called "family values" are not about families or values. If you are relying on those peole this will be a long drought.

[eleny]

53. Do I really believe what?

If you mean doing something about the child abuse in the prisons - hell yes I do. And if it reflects some sort of moral stance - yes to that, too. And if it makes some dent in how the rest of world views us - yes to that as well.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Do me a favor and pick a copy of

Niemuller's Moral Man in an Amoral Society

That is the HUGE clue you need to get.

We are living in a amoral society... not unlike the one he lived in durng the 1930s before he moved... the years should be a clue to you

[wurzel]

38. We don't live in the society we want, We live in the society we have.

After WW11 the Dems held power with an alliance of the liberal North and the racist South. This lasted until Johnson passed the anti-discrimination laws. Was it the moral thing to do? Of course. But it also got us Nixon, Reagan and Bush's 1 and 11. Who have dismantled many of these laws and are now going to dismantle the New Deal. The fact is this is not an "Amoral" country. It is largely an "Immoral" country. As any in the rest of the World, who know us best, will tell you. We have butchered people in a lot of countries. It sat by while astacked Supreme Court put an immoral cretin in power. It voted for the same guy over a genuine hero and decent man four years later. They were lied into a war and don't care.

The only way this will change is if the Dems get back into power. I am not saying the Dems are saints, but compared with what we have today? But Dean is right. We have to get a large number of people we wouldn't want to have dinner with to vote Democratic. And we are going to have to be very smart on how we do it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. No the only way this will change is if we the people

STOP TOLERATING and making excuses...

Sorry, my threshold is very low, I knwo what led to Nazi germany and the same is happening here.

Pick the book and damn it READ IT... yuo may want to also read Hannah Arendt's the Banality of Evil

[wurzel]

43. And what "led to Nazi Germany"?

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. Mostly people keeping quite when the first horrors started

Lets say you are correct, they decide to bomb us after the photos are releasded, that is a risk we need to take... it is the moral risk we need to take

On the other hand, they first came for the socialist and I did not speak, then they came for the Labor Organizers adn I did not speak, then they came for the Jews and I did not speak, and when they came for me nobody was left to speak for me.

[wurzel]

50. What led to Nazi Germany was "morality"!

Pres. Wilson thought it "immoral" to force Germany into unconditional surrender during WW1. So there was an "armistice". But the French were "morally" outraged at the war crimes of the Germans (which were real) and demanded reparations. Well beyond the ability of Germany to pay. The Germans were "morally" outraged at the resulting destruction of their entire economy and their social structure. So they voted in the Nazis to restore their national "dignity". The result was a large number of Jewish refugees after WW11 was finally ended by dropping two atomic bombs on Japanese civilian populations. The "moral" solution for these Jewish refugees was to give them a country. Palestine. "Morality" like "religion" has a lot to answer for.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. there is more to this than morality

but if you don't want them to release the pictures because they just might lead to more bombings, I am sorry, I don't agree. Hannah Arendt and NIemuller are right, we do live in an amoral society and by your refusal to call them on it and force them to face up to what they have done, you enable them

As I said, my threshold is very low very low these days.

(on Edit, there is also the problem of the Palestianian Israeli problem, which at this point I fear is up to THEM to solve... for we have no moral authority to get involved anymore, see abu graib)

[eleny]

54. I admire your heroic expositions here in the thread

And agree with you completely.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. It woudl be for naught if I only spoke of this in a threat

on the world wide web... have done my fair share of taking a stand... and it has inolved far more than just sending letters, though these days I admit that is all I can do

[wurzel]

55. The thread was not about what I want.

It was about why the Democrats were not demanding the release of these photographs. I was trying to give a political rationale for their reluctance to do this. After all, look what happened to Sen. Durbin after he told the truth? Personally I think the media should demand the release, and keep the Dems out of it. But they have been burned with "Newsweek" too. I also find the use of the word "morality" in these issues a double edged sword.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Yep go back to German history

the socilaist did not opose the Nazis either.. ah yes another paralel and the few that were, well they had ahem accidents

[yurbud]

46. could be true for others, less likely for Feinstein

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Why do you think she makes it to the primary I won't be voting

for her?

Let me see, my choices... DiFi, Wolf in sheeps clothing?
The republican, the real deal

Protest green vote.

My consicence tells me the third choice and to hell with those telling me taht we need her in the senate. We need her in the senate like we need a bad cold and until we stop enabling the DLCers they will keep voting republican lite

[Stevendsmith]

6. Six months ago I would have disagreed with you

but no more. I'll WILL NOT vote for a Rethug lite again.

And, yes, fuck anyone who tells me otherwise.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. My point of no more was the bankruptcy bill

until then I would not write those words either

(On edit) I also let her office know... the staffer confessed they are hearing that a lot... so I hope the green candidate is a good one... because he or she just may pull it off

[fooj]

14. I'm with you. I'd vote for Mickey Mouse before I'd vote for her again!

Peace.

[Pithy Cherub]

25. I'd even vote for Goofy before DiFi!

She has gotten my last vote in 2000! She's out!

[mitchtv]

48. Goofy? Not Fair

He's already Governor

[getmeouttahere]

3. Makes you wonder if...

she would have ever gotten as far as she has if Moscone and Milk weren't murdered.

[Zen Democrat]

4. Feinstein is a Neo-Con. They aren't just in the Republican party.

Leiberman is a Neo-Con.

[wtmusic]

5. She's a waste of space

Very, very disappointing.

[still_one]

10. well I am from California, and proud to have Boxer as a Senator

As for feinstein, when she come up, she won't get my vote, and if the repukes are smart in this state, and they put up a moderate to liberal prochoice candidate who was against the war, that person will get my vote over feinstein

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. See abbove I will NOT vote for a repuke either

Green for me in this case

[still_one]

31. excellent point

I no longer am of the philosophy that is you don't vote for one of the two major parties, you give away your vote to the other major party

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. All I have to say is Land and Freedom, no, not the current incarnation

the one in the 1880s, that is how they got their presence in Congress

[still_one]

35. We are definitely heading toward a plantation society

[getmeouttahere]

15. Not likely....

is there a repug out there who is moderate to liberal AND pro-choice??? I'll just vote green, if I can

[still_one]

32. agreed, it is an oxymoran

I was just trying to make a point

[fooj]

12. "Judas" Feinstein? She makes me ill.

I will NEVER, let me repeat that...NEVER vote for her again! Period.

Peace.

[Pithy Cherub]

16. At least I have Boxer as a redeeming light of CA politics!

DiFi needs a primary opponent who represents the CA people's views! DiFi is merely tolerated - and has wasted any policial capital away in the mold of Ahnold the Arrogant Asshole and Bush the Befuddled.

Boxer is beloved :loveya:here!

[KingFlorez]

19. Dianne Feinstein a neocon?

:wtf: She's a moderate, but nowhere close to being a neocon.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Her husband is on the board of Carlyle

what the fuck is she still doing in the armed services committee? Oh I forgot raking in the cash

[Pallas180]

29. Your kidding me NADIN, who is her husband - she should have

to resign from congress if that's true...humongous conflict of interest.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. He is this has been mentioned here many a times

hell I even confronted her staffer once wtih this... all I got were the umms ahhs, and non answers you get when you corner a poor intern. Hell Bernie Ward does make a point of this every so often

[Bluebear]

58. $$$$$$$. Indeed.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

20. Each California Democrat - go to your local Democratic Club meetings

Every community has one. There you can speak out in favor of finding a new Democratic candidate for Feinstein's seat. I've done that. You'll be amazed at how many Democrats agree that Feinstein has got to go.

[getmeouttahere]

23. I agree...

surely there is a dem somewhere in Calif that can give her a serious run!

[Raksha]

49. That's a hell of a good idea!

I mean going to the Demcocratic Club meetings and letting everyone know you refuse to support Feinstein. If they still can't come up with an anti-war challenger, I'm gonna be voting Green, at least for her Senate seat. I've HAD IT with that neocon bitch!

[Cleita]

21. When Feinstein voted for the Iraq War Resolution, I

was done with her, and I wrote her and told her so. She's up for reelection and I intend to vote for another candidate in the primary instead. I hope a good Democrat steps up to the plate.

[Horse with no Name]

22. Her constituents need to call her everyday

and let her know she needs to start cleaning out her office--unless of course she "officially" decides to cross the aisle.
She is NOT a Democrat.
She HAS to go.

[Pallas180]

28. Yeah. what's the matter with her? Pat Roberts seems to have a lot

of power, shut up Rockefeller too.

Maybe we should start emailing him this:

[BlueWolff]

33. Remember Harvey Milk WARNED everyone about her

When she was the Pres of the Board of supervisors in San Francisco...poor Harvey Milk told everyone she was a liar and a sell out to the corporates. He always banged heads with her, and if he were still alive she would have been exposed by him before she was elected!

[EFerrari]

44. I never knew that. Hmm. I wonder if the Chronicle has

archives that go back that far.

I wish Matt Gonzalez would run. He wouldn't win but he'd scare the cr@p out of her and get the Dems attention. He very nearly beat Newsom. Or Waters or Lee.

[Bluebear]

36. Feinstein: Gay rights "too much, too fast, too soon"

I am through with her.

[ConfuZed]

37. ?

Edit: :wtf:

[Bluebear]

41. Her quote last year about gay marriage.

[Zhade]

39. What can I say, except...

...I will never vote for her again, and KICK!

[OrlandoGator]

47. The only people on DU who like Feinstein are the gun grabbers.

And she's a hypocrite on that issue, too.

[dogday]

52. Feinstein went to the White House Dinner last week

was the only Democrat invited. I don't like her, I don't trust her....