Tsunami Question.... is prevention possible???

[HysteryDiagnosis]

Since there were some nutcases speaking about earthquakes being able to be produced by using the HAARP electromagnetic array in Alaska and possibly tuning it to some mysterious frequency... (I was one of those nutcases involved in that "thought experiment") would it be possible to use current or future technology to "spike" the ocean near the shoreline... to send a cancelling wave in the direction of the tsunami? I mean... could the amount of damage be reduced using this physics principle??

[Kagemusha]

1. It's probably a matter of scale unachievable by man-made means.

Just IMHO.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. Consider this...... many many devices offshore..... with compressed

gas...nitrogen, oxygen, whatever set to release just prior to the arrival of the main wave.... sort of like what they think happens in the Bermuda Triangle..... I could imagine the "extra ocean mass" to just fall into the "less dense" part of the ocean.

Now grant it... I realize just how monumental a project like this would be to achieve, but then so is the Tsunami Cleanup, nevermind the loss of life.

[Ian David]

4. Nobody of consequence thinks there's"a thing that happens" in the Triangle

What happens in The Bermuda Triangle is the same thing that happens in your neighborhood.

There are more accidents on the Interstate than on a dirt road because there are more cars moving through it.

The Bermuda Triangle is one of the most heavily traveled areas of the ocean. More boats, more planes, more accidents, more mysteries.

But let's not start arguing that stuff right now.

The Original Poster asked a legitimate question, so let's try to work on legitimate, scientifically valid answers that don't involve things we've seen on "In Search Of" or "Unsolved Mysteries" or "Beyond Belief" or "Miss Cleo's Mystery Hour."

I'm not faulting you personally. The media has put out a lot of misinformation and sensationalist nonsense about The Bermuda Triangle, so I can understand how a reasonable person might buy into it.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. I'm not faulting you personally.

always a but) haven't you seen any of this???

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/06/050615000715.htm
Date: 2005-06-16

Sustainable Energy Source Could Solve Bermuda Triangle Riddle


Cardiff experts have designed world-first technology to investigate sustainable energy sources from the ocean bed by isolating ancient high-pressure bacteria from deep sediments.


Some of these bacteria produce methane that accumulates in "gas hydrates" -- a super concentrated methane ice that contains more carbon than all conventional fossil fuels and, therefore, a potentially enormous energy source. However, we know little about gas hydrates as they melt during recovery due to the fall in pressure.

>>One theory now suggests that when the covering of "methane ice" which exists over much of the seabed of the Bermuda Triangle becomes unstable; this causes instability of the sea and an explosive mixture of air and methane above. Any ships or planes travelling over the area could sink or catch fire.

"So ancient, deep-sediment bacteria may be a key to sustainable energy in the future and to explaining a few disasters," said Professor Parkes.<<

[Ian David]

16. Interesting! First I've heard of this. Let me look into this...

Keep in mind even this article says:

"So ancient, deep-sediment bacteria may be a key to sustainable energy in the future and to explaining a few disasters," said Professor Parkes.
--

Even so:

It appears after all that there may be something non-magical, non-mystical, non-paranormal yet also non-mundane going on there.

Headline: "Bacteria Farts Crash Plane in Bermuda Triangle."

I'm gonna read this.

Thanks!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

18. I am a mixture of off the wall thinking and a few scientific

principles.... hopefully this combination is scary yet interesting.

[Ian David]

19. OK, here's my preliminary feedback

1) I'm not qualified to feel certain either way about this being likely or not. I'm going to need to read more, and wait for opinions from people smarter than I am.

2) In any case, this is a great way to market an otherwise obscure project. The guy is designing a way to keep deep-sea bacteria under high pressure to harvest their farts to make energy. Mentioning the words "Bermuda Triangle" and "Mystery" in the same sentence gets his project attention (and perhaps money).

3) The scientist makes the cautious statements, "So ancient, deep-sediment bacteria may be a key to sustainable energy in the future and to explaining a few disasters..."

That's the way real scientists speak.

As opposed pseudo-scientists who might say, "The presence of bacteria farts frozen at the bottom of the ocean will solve the world's energy crisis and blows the lid off the Bermuda Triangle mystery. It's all in my new book, now on sale at Wal-Mart."

My guess (and I'm still reserving judgment) is that the guy is probably on to something real as far as harnessing energy, but even his cautious "Bermuda Triangle" statement is a bit of a stretch because he knows it will get his project more attention (and money). If you called him and asked him personally, he'd probably admit just as much with a little giggle.

Still, it's interesting and I want to learn more about this.

Thanks for posting it!

[Xithras]

2. Theoretically, yes. Practically, no.

You'd need to generate a counterwave with the same displacement and energy as the original, and nothing short of a mass nuclear detonation could achieve that.

Tsunami's are a natural part of the world, and there's really nothing we'll ever be able to do about them. If you live near the sea, death by water is simply a chance you must be willing to take.

[Ian David]

8. I suppose a line of giant columns taller than The World Trade Center...

running parallel to every coastline in the world might do the trick.

Of course, they'd need to be made of Unobtainium.


Unobtainium
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Unobtainium is a term frequently used to describe any material with properties that are unlikely or impossible for any real material to possess and is hence unobtainable.
More:
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That might work if it were possible to do.

And even if it were possible, consider this:

Let's say you could spend $100 Trillion Dollars to protect Thailand from Tsunamis for 100 years.

That Tsunami Project would save Thailand from $90 Billion worth of Tsunami damage for 100 years.

That Tsunami Project would save 3 Million lives over the course of 100 years.

Now, if you could write Thailand a check for $100 Trillion Dollars, and told them, "Go protect your resources and your people as best you can with this $100 Trillion Dollars," I think they could find ways to make better use of your check.

In other words, for the money you would need to spend on Tsunami prevention (if it were possible) there are ways to save more lives with less resources.

For example, curing AIDS, ending world hunger, stopping global warming, saving the Ozone Layer, etc.

Big, cataclysmic disasters get big attention. But they don't have 'round-the-clock Global Warming coverage on CNN (partly because there aren't enough fascinating pictures of devastation-- yet).

[HysteryDiagnosis]

13. For example, curing AIDS,

built in. Comes with the package. You just need to feed it the right stuff. I am not kidding.


1: Curr Opin Infect Dis. 2000 Feb;13(1):13-17. Related Articles, Links

The immune system: our best antiretroviral.

Gotch F, Hardy G.

Department of Immunology, Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine, Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, London, UK.

A better understanding of the potent immune responses elicited by HIV before infected patients become immunocompromised should enable therapeutic immunomodulation to prevent disease progression. We review the nature of the immune response in HIV infected long-term nonprogressor patients; how and why the immune system fails; and whether it may be feasible to harness the immune system to control viraemia and extend the asymptomatic period in HIV infected persons. Finally we discuss the possibility of inducing sterilizing immunity to enable the host to rid itself of the virus.

PMID: 11964767



1: Altern Med Rev. 2002 Dec;7(6):512-22. Related Articles, Links


Arginine: Clinical potential of a semi-essential amino.

Appleton J.

Department chair, National College of Naturopathic Medicine, Portland, OR 97201, USA. [e-mail]

Arginine, a semi-essential amino acid, is involved in numerous areas of human biochemistry, including ammonia detoxification, hormone secretion, and immune modulation. Arginine is also well known as a precursor to nitric oxide (NO), a key component of endothelial-derived relaxing factor, an endogenous messenger molecule involved in a variety of endothelium-dependent physiological effects in the cardiovascular system. Because of arginine's NO-stimulating effects, it can be utilized in therapeutic regimens for angina pectoris, congestive heart failure, hypertension, coronary heart disease, preeclampsia, intermittent claudication, and erectile dysfunction. In addition, arginine has been studied in the treatment of HIV/AIDS, athletic performance, burns and trauma, cancer, diabetes and syndrome X, gastrointestinal diseases, male and female infertility, interstitial cystitis, immunomodulation, and senile dementia. Toxicity, dosage considerations, and contraindications are also reviewed.

Publication Types:
Review

PMID: 12495375

[Ian David]

20. Not a reputable journal, and has nothing to do with Tsunamis

Alternative Medical Review is not a reputable peer-reviewed journal.

See instead:
The Scientific Review of Alternative Medicine (SRAM)
http://www.sram.org/


I'm not sure what the article is actually talking about, so I won't presume to say that whatever they're talking about is wrong.

Even non-credible sources sometimes get things right.

Anyway...

Sure, "it may be feasible to harness the immune system to control viraemia and extend the asymptomatic period in HIV infected persons."

However, about this part...

"Finally we discuss the possibility of inducing sterilizing immunity to enable the host to rid itself of the virus."

I have no idea what methods they discuss to induce "sterilizing immunity," which is really the critical part of the article and isn't given.

If they suggest homeopathy and chiropractic adjustment, then I would say it was B.S.

If they discuss amino acids or drugs or something, I'd have to ask someone else who knows more.

Anyway, we're talking about Tsunamis.

Unless this guy knows how to induce a sterilizing immunity in tsunamis, we're way off-track and might take this up another time.

[BobRossi]

5. Preventable? Yes.

Add a couple trillion pounds of "Jello" to each ocean, instead of a giant wave, the whole thing will just "Jiggle".

[Ian David]

10. LOL!!! Great Idea! And then we can all wrestle in it!

We could make the world's largest batch of Gefilte Fish.

My next research paper:

The Utility of Engineered Colloid Suspensions in the Abatement of Tsunamis and Tidal Waves.

I can start writing Ignoble Prize speech now.

Maybe I'll get to meet the Project Grizzly guy!

[BobRossi]

12. You have to give me a foot note! nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. Only if you're a plywood structural engineer.

Otherwise, grab your trunks!

[Pallas180]

11. I think it's highly possible & probable that man made disruption of

the tectonic plates can and is occurring....

that something could be made to prevent what has been started I would think would be impossible.

Can you stop magnetic waves - the new weapons being tested? don't think so...unless maybe if you had a giant rubber sheet.....would rubber stop or bounce back the magnetic waves?

Could anything stop atomic/nuclear explosion? no...tectonic and tsunami are thousands of times the power of a nuclear bomb.

the pr0blem is to stop the use of these magnetic weapons being used and worked on on a smaller level for crowd control.

If you dont think the govt has something like that on one of the satellites and is experimenting with it, I think it would be naive,.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

14. For what it's worth.... a tinfoil hat will either reflect these waves...

or turn your head into a microwave oven... hopefully the first.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. But what if you're working with construction grade plywood?

And put tinfoil in the glue?

[donco6]

9. No.

The energy required to offset the tsunami wave would generate it's own seismic wave in all directions. Probably wind up being worse than the localized flooding of the tsunami.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

17. An event that would diminish the Tsunami wave by 50% would

create TWO tsunamis with half the impact of the whole enchilada... would this be better?? I don't know... something to kick around though...

[arwalden]

21. UFO Anti Audio Vibratory Physio-Molecular Wave Smashing "Laser" Beams

... the extraterrestrial technology that the gubment is hiding from us in Area-51 it's the ONLY thing that can save humanity!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

22. The only thing that will save humanity is properly functioning

gray matter. There's been a shortage in D.C. for several years now.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

23. And while we are on the subject of "real science".....

http://www.brojon.com/frontpage/bj1203.html

9. Where the HAARP Shield Fails



Unfortunately, the HAARP system is not exactly like the shields on the Enterprise. The shield follows along the lines of the earth's magnetic field. Near the north and south poles the magnetosphere reaches down to almost touch the atmosphere. But near the equator the magnetosphere is several thousand miles out in space.



A missile from Russia going over the polar region must pass through the magnetosphere. But a missile from China can deploy a second stage, reach orbit and deploy for re-entry all below an altitude of several hundred miles and never come anywhere near the magnetosphere. Thus HAARP is no defense against Chinese nuclear weapons. A new technology is needed. And it was found.



10. New Methods for the HAARP Shield



About 1995 a number of ionospheric research physicists studying particles coming from the sun, noticed the height of the particles above the earth's surface bouncing back and forth from pole to pole was dependent on their velocity. By slowing the particles down the racing electrons and protons in the magnetosphere would drop down from several thousand miles to almost the top of the atmosphere about 20 to 50 miles above the surface. Could HAARP be used to make that happen? Yes. By changing the frequency at which ions race "around the track" above HAARP just before they are shot out into space, you can determine the height at which they travel.



11. The Pulse Graph Shows New HAARP Technology



Simply by changing the frequency of the circular polarization during the HAARP pulse a vertical curtain of extremely fast particles can be made to drop down from the magnetosphere to just above the top of the atmosphere along the direction which the HAARP signal is sent. In the graph of fig.1 the sloping lines of the green/yellow color are caused by the base frequency of 0.9 to 1 Hz being shifted slightly during the pulse.

[arwalden]

25. God Bless Amurka

:patriot:

[Caution]

26. But only if they can be mounted on the heads of sharks.

Of course I can then use this same prevention technique for my plans of world domination! Unless...you pay me...one MILLION dollars!

[SmokingJacket]

24. Seems like a really good warning system might be a better

use of funds.

That and buttload of rubber rafts.