The right keeps trying to characterize Plamegate as "payback"

[CatWoman]

I hear it all the time. It's also a common theme on the Yahoo boards.

I'm all about Chimpy going down via any means necessary, but what "WE" need to keep pointing out is that the Democrats did NOT instigate this investigation.

Hell, every investigation that the Democrats have tried to launch has been slapped down by the Republicans.

However, this investigation was started by and for Republicans. Wasn't it the Chimpy White House who appointed Fitzgerald, after Ashcroft had to excuse himself?

Even the former CIA agents who testified last week before Congress identified themselves as Republicans.

We must fight this attempt of them trying to label this as "Democratic whining" about much ado about nothing.

[DanCa]

1. It's not payback it's patriotism

Or do the freepers think it's okay to out a female fbi agent and put her in harms ways for political gain? Thier twisted partianship sickens me.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

2. It WAS Payback. Shrubco "paying back" Wilson for having the gall

to screw with their propaganda.

[kliljedahl]

3. The CIA asked for the investigation, not the Dems.

AssKraft had no choice. If the CIA said an agent was outed, then an agent was outed. Porter Goss be damned.


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[KerryOn]

6. Yes ideed here is the time line:

July 30, 2003 – The CIA sends a letter to the Criminal Division of the Justice Department noting “a possible violation of criminal law concerning the unauthorized disclosure of classified information,” according to a letter from the CIA’s Director of Congressional Affairs. (CIA, Letter to Rep. John Conyers).

September 16, 2003 – The CIA sends another letter to Justice requesting that the FBI undertake a criminal investigation.

September 30, 2003 – The Justice department publicly announces an official criminal investigation.

January 30, 2004 – In a letter sent to Representative John Conyers, the CIA will confirm that its Counterespionage Section has asked the FBI to initiate an investigation.

December 30, 2003 – Facing allegations of bias, Attorney General Ashcroft recuses himself from the investigation and U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald takes over the investigation as a special prosecutor.

[finecraft]

4. I personally think it's more like bad karma

coming back to bite them on the butt. :evilgrin:

[norml]

5. They turn everything into a football game where there are no issues

and there is no feedback or connection to reality.

Every problem for them is turned into root for the home team, block that kick and hold that line.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. Part of it is payback.

And that's the part that's a bitch.

[Zen Democrat]

8. It's about Republican "payback" -- The war against Joe Wilson.

[applegrove]

9. The notion of payback is childish. Only immature narcissists actually

attack for some perceived slight. The idea behind it is it is personal and not about any deeper meaning.

We care about our world. We don't want to see it run for and to please only a narrow elite. Rove has stolen much about what used to be leadership. He changed Policy into politics. He has attacked others. And we call him names. But nobody set him up. Wilson did not take the job to get Rove back for anything. Everyone acted on the up & up. Rove did something wrong. Like any adult he has to take responsibility for his actions. But it seems he is intellectually incapable of that.

Whoever really truly believes this is payback - truly believes in the concept of "payback". And that makes them childlike at the very best & nefarious in character (thus biologically as superficial as a child when it comes to emotions) at the worst.

I hear going after Clinton was "payback" for Nixon. Again - Dems didn't set Nixon up. Nixon covered up a serious crime. Thirty people went to jail. Nixon was himself responsible. But the narcissists who live in a world where other people pay for the negative feelings they have - claim going after Clinton was "payback" I hear. To make them feel better. They have to attack. And they assume the same in our character. But Dems are not like that.

Once again - the right has wholly and unwittingly adopted the patterns of sociopaths. And they seems totally unaware. They teach each other with these words how to grow down and be child-like. In the world that protects Rove - no person is responsible for their actions. A sad thing to watch. Juvenile behavior taught, spread & re-enforced amongst bush supporters.

[Straight Shooter]

10. It isn't payback. It's blowback.

Big difference.

The effect caused by recirculation into the source country of disinformation previously planted abroad by that country's intelligence service in an effort to mislead the government of another country.

I might add that in the case of Valerie Plame, it's the effect caused by circulating disinformation into one's own country (U.S.A.) in an effort to mislead its own citizens.