Yahoo and Guardian now have Gonzales/ Card story

[cal04]

Gonzales Says He Told Card About CIA Probe

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Sunday that he notified White House chief of staff Andy Card after the Justice Department opened an investigation into who revealed a covert
CIAofficer's identity, but waited 12 hours to tell anyone else in the executive mansion
The White House did not immediately respond to questions Sunday about whether Card passed that information to top Bush aide Karl Rove or anyone else, giving them advance notice to prepare for the investigation.

Gonzales was White House counsel on Sept. 29, 2003, and got the first official word inside the White House when the Justice Department opened its inquiry. Earlier that day, White House press secretary Scott McClellan had said the leak was a serious matter the Justice Department should pursue "to the fullest extent." McClellan also said it was "ridiculous" to suggest Rove, Bush's top political operative, was involved.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050724/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_1

Gonzales Says He Told Card About Investigation Into CIA Leak
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBNLXUPJBE.html

Gonzales Says He Told Card About CIA Probe
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5163889,00.html?gusrc=ticker-103704

[DemsUnited]

1. Rated and kicked

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Them shreders most likely were running red hot

[ClintonTyree]

4. Yeah......

Gonzalez is dirty in this thing too. Hell, the entire administration is up to their necks in this shit. Is it possible to impeach an entire administration? The one beneath is as dirty as the one above. There isn't one of these turds that's not involved in some way, they ALL have to go!

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Yes it is

read Article two Section four of the Constitution.

Section. 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

[bunny planet]

49. That Section 4 sounds just about right to me. Impeach every single one

of these cockroaches.

[oldtime dfl_er]

8. can you spell O-B-S-T-R-U-C-T-I-O-N

of justice!

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/714126

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Yes i can

and this is just the AG... what does this remind you off?

[mrdmk]

23. Should we say John Mitchell, or is that going to far back?

Just asking!:eyes:

[carnie_sf]

26. Mitchell would be my guess

[IChing]

3. rated @ 15 votes and 5 stars kicked

[writes2000]

5. Man, the Press is all over this. This is GREAT! New Heat for Monday!

This just makes the administration look even more guilty.

If the orders have been to "cooperate, cooperate, cooperate", why did the White House need 12 HOURS before they were "officially" told not to destroy any evidence?

[bvar22]

6. 4-1/2 stars 60 votes

*

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. Done! n/t

[Eugene]

10. Done, kicked, and Wow!

Obstruction of justice going to all
the way to the top.

[emulatorloo]

11. Kicking: A truly inspiring personal story of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales is a true inspiration.

[Carolab]

53. Yeah. Hey, Biden, still think he's "the real deal"?

How do you like him now?

[jimshoes]

12. Voted and kickeroo

:kick:

[CatWoman]

13. ooooo, goody!!

time to slap some freepers around :evilgrin:

[ScamUSA.Com]

14. and this guys our "Attorney General"

yikes!

[proud patriot]

15. Rated

:hi:

[Pam-Moby]

16. Rated and thanks n/t

[Starfury]

18. It'd be fascinating to know who visited the WH later that night!

Plus, who did he call. I mean, it's not like the WH closes shop at 5pm or something....

[savemefromdumbya]

50. after hours

there was probably Gannon flying around the White HOuse at that time? LOL!

[buddha8]

64. gerbels

I suspect that Jeff '8 inches cut' Gannon fed all the damning papers to a squadron of trained gerbels who then crawled up his ass before he checked out that night.

The other rumor is that Rosemary Woods, embalmed and hung out to dry in a back closet behind the heating system in the White House basement has come back to life, holy Jesus. Her apparition was seen up all that night with the shredder on fast volume.

I still much doubt that they will ever get Rove on this but what is interesting now is the shifting focus onto higher ups. The White House Iraq Group is the key to the caper. Bust them and you bring the house of cards down. They have their mitts into every significant scandal that has come down including the heavy media management of the fraudulent 04' election and they are vulnerable since they could not be funded by Congress. Whatever money they use has to come like Iran-Contra from an illegal and nefarious source. So where is the money trail. There is always a money trail. All thats necessary is to out a greedy lower rung racketeer who is on the payroll and then you can begin to trace the distribution process to its source. I suspect that some of the 8 billion missing has gone via Euro banks and off shore energy corporations right into payouts for the White House Iraq Group. Cheney's energy friends could be a major source, Grover Norquist and his far right billionaire lunatics, the possibilities are endless. The good thing is that with a money trail you can then dragnet in a whole host of slimeballs that otherwise you didn't know were operational. This thing could go all the way back to the disinformation campaign around 9/11, the Norad stand down, the ridiculous 'collapse' of building 7,etc. What renders them vulnerable is their hubris. They have consolidated so much power and have exerted so much control over the press that I beleive they thought they were invulnerable. In reality these guys are nothing more than common Texas conman. The texas conman is a very popular stripe in Southern culture dating back to the theft of Texas from Mexico and the Mexican-American War. I think that bush can't even beleive how stupid Northerners are to fall for common lies again and again and again. DeLay,Enron, half the lobbyists now in Washington, a huge chunk of the military industrial complex including Lockheed Martin and much more filth is all straight out of Texas. A bastard culture of violent liars and conmen whose very origins as a state are in violence,theft and a trumped up War.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

19. Voted 5 on Yahoo - need more votes n/t

[Straight Shooter]

20. Down to 4 stars now, with 314 votes.

Phuck those phreepers.

[Zero Division]

21. The whole administration may very well have some involvement

I never would have thought so in the beginning. At first I thought that surely those who originated the plan to blow VPW's cover would want to protect at least the President and some other admin. officials by keeping them out of it, but now I've begun to suspect that the exact opposite may have occurred.

Why? Given the character of anyone who would carry out this plan, it follows that rather than being ultimately loyal to the President or the Republican Party, their ultimate loyalty is probably to, of course, themselves. Now what would be better to protect yourself from facing the consequences of carrying out this plan: an admin. with a few uninvolved members who could easily rat you out without having to face any real consequences, or an admin. in which the maximum amount of members is heavily invested in protecting the original leakers because not doing so means the whole administration goes down.

The answer is obvious.

[Bumblebee]

31. They are too cocky for that

plus they always get away with things so they surely thought this was going to be no sweat, especially since Ashcroft was going to "investigate" it. Today's NYT's piece is actually good in revealing their complacency at the time. Hope they will pay dearly for it!

[Zero Division]

40. I think I know what you're saying.

You mean they're so cocky that they probably just didn't care how many people in the admin. got involved in their plan or learned about it, because they assumed they had everything under control. That they weren't very concerned about protecting themselves because of their cockiness. Right?

That's also quite possible.

[Bumblebee]

42. Exactly. They got away with an awful lot before.

[Booster]

22. Read, rated & kick. Keep the heat on.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

24. Rated and kicked!

:kick:

[kentuck]

25. It's a huge story, in my opinion...

This is the big break in the story - that the press has been waitng on, to help them put the pieces together...

[southernleftylady]

27. ok .. i hate asking stupid questions but what does this mean? thanks nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

30. I agree, perfect question. This doesn't seem like any new news

based on all I have read. There was ample time, a whole window, (read frank rich in nyt today) for monkey business anyway.

[Bumblebee]

33. What's new is that he told Card

-- that was the first time he acknowledged that. That means that Card could have talked to Rove and/or Libby in this window of 12 hours before the order was given not to destroy any documents and thus documents could have been destroyed. It means that reporters are now frantically calling Card and asking him who he talked to after he heard from Gonzales. That also means that there will be more stonewalling and illogical excuses and more suspicions unless card can say "I did not talk to anyone." But, like in the case with Gonzales on "face the Nation," they cannot quite lie right now because of the special prosecutor and the grand jury. So it is a very big story.

[southernleftylady]

34. thank you for your explanation :) nt

[Bumblebee]

35. Does it make sense?

I don't want to set my hopes up too high :)

[southernleftylady]

38. yes but on the flip side don't get your hopes up to high because ..

if they did have that time to shred documents... they might get away with something

[Bumblebee]

41. I know yet at least it can be established that Card talked to Rove

but a good advice nevertheless! :)

[Rainscents]

28. Kick!!!

:kick:

[spanone]

29. Recommended and Kicked!!!

The smell is everywhere. Did Card tell Bush*?

[Scout1071]

32. Rated AND emailed.

Let's make sure it makes the most emailed list as well.

[maddezmom]

36. Rated, recommended and kicked

:thumbsup:

[H2O Man]

37. Trivial pursuit:

Q: Why didn't President Bush dare nominate his buddy to the Supreme Court?

[Zero Division]

47. That would've put an end to the "distraction".

Questions about Gonzales would come back to the very scandal Bush would like his nomination to distract us from. Correct?

[H2O Man]

52. Correct.

Several senators, including one who was closely associated with the Iran-Contra investigations, had prepared to grill Gonzales. It would have gotten ugly .... at least from a republican standpoint.

[mrdmk]

57. It also appears that John Roberts has dirt under his nails from

Iran Contra. There are some very interesting papers over at the Ronnie Reagan Library. Will not take much to put some things together over there.

[bagimin]

51. Maybe a little dirt under his nails?

[Douglas Carpenter]

39. also, rated, recommended and kicked

http://www.iwtnews.com/

[Bumblebee]

43. Washington Post story on that in case you have not seen it yet

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/24/AR2005072401058.html

[sunyasi]

46. If you want

... to see cockroaches scurry, turn on the light!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[faithnotgreed]

48. welcome to the fun sunyasi~

[Rainscents]

54. Sunyasi... Welcome to DU!!! Kick and nominated!

You'll have lots of fun here! :toast: :hi:

[RaleighNCDUer]

44. Man, this is like the way-back machine.

All we need now is an enemies list.

[Melissa G]

45. five star kick! n/t

[flyarm]

55. see old article i had in my files!!

and the media is just catching onto this now when so many of us were emailing and calling them demanding truth and articles about it at the time?? they should all be ashamed ..and then celled us tin foil hats then..or just bloggers..well many of my internet group were calling writing letters and screaming about it when this was going on ..we were all screaming..shredders in the white house!


http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/100903A.shtml

Click here: t r u t h o u t - White House Lawyers Reviewing Evidence Before Justice Department

snip:

Go to Original

Bush Aides Will Review Leak Notes
By David Jackson
The Dallas Morning News

Tuesday 07 October 2003

White House's decision to give first look to its lawyers riles Democrats
White House lawyers will review phone logs and other records supplied by presidential aides before turning the documents over to the Justice Department officials conducting the investigation into who leaked a CIA undercover operative's identity, officials said Monday.

The disclosure inspired new Democratic calls for an independent inquiry.

"To allow the White House counsel to review records before the prosecutors would see them is just about unheard of in the way cases are always prosecuted," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., speaking on NBC's Today show. "And the possibility of mischief, or worse than mischief, is very, very large."

Administration officials said the White House counsel's office may need up to two weeks to organize documents that some 2,000 employees are required to submit by 5 p.m. Tuesday.

The documents must also be reviewed for national security or executive privilege concerns and to ensure the filings are responsive to Justice Department requests for information, White House aides said. The department is investigating whether Bush administration officials exposed a CIA operative's identity to reporters and a columnist, Robert Novak.

Bush: 'Criminal action'
President Bush underscored his concern about the leak Monday, telling reporters: "We're talking about a criminal action."

The president said information would be submitted to the Justice Department "on a timely basis," calling the investigation "a very serious matter, and our administration takes it seriously."

"I'd like to know who leaked," Mr. Bush added. "And if anybody has got any information, inside our government or outside our government, who leaked, they ought to take it to the Justice Department so we can find out the leaker."

White House officials are required to turn in any documents they may have related to the principals in the matter, including former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, his wife, Valerie Plame, and any reporters who were contacted about the couple.

White House spokeswoman Ashley Snee said she could not put a timeline on when the documents might be turned over to the Justice Department but said the review would be expeditious.

"It's going to be done with the intent of getting to the bottom of this," Ms. Snee said. "This is almost 2,000 people."

Mr. Schumer and other Democrats have called for an outside special counsel, questioning whether Attorney General John Ashcroft can fairly investigate his patrons at the White House.

Mr. Bush defended his Justice Department, saying, "These are ... professional

[flyarm]

58. ashcroft gave rove plenty of time to destroy his records...

as did tenet! from july 14th to late september!

and do see from my files how rove and acroft were tied to each other!!
http://www.democracynow.org/static/roveashcroft.shtml


The Ashcroft-Rove Connection: The Ties That Blind
By Amy Goodman, Jeremy Scahill and the staff of Democracy Now!


snip:

Rove is best known as the driving force behind Bush's taking of the presidency, but he also worked for Ashcroft over the course of two decades.

"It goes all the way back to the mid 1980's when John Ashcroft first ran for governor and then when he ran for the United States Senate against Mel Carnahan," says Moore. "Karl was so intimately involved."

Not only did Rove work for Ashcroft in the 80s, but he was one of the main forces behind Ashcroft's controversial appointment to the job he currently holds, attorney general. Rove lobbied intensely for his former employer's nomination after Ashcroft lost his senate seat to a dead man, the late Mel Carnahan.

While Ashcroft was not Bush's first choice for attorney general, Rove reportedly told Bush that spilling some blood over the nomination of the fiercely right-wing Ashcroft was "a no-lose proposition."

Just as George W. Bush profited handsomely from the building of a stadium for his Texas Rangers baseball team, Karl Rove cashed in from the successful campaign in St. Louis to get a stadium built. The governor who signed the legislation?

John Ashcroft.

Now attorney general, Ashcroft is refusing to hand over the reigns of the criminal investigation of his political ally, former employee and longtime advisor, Karl Rove.

[AuntiBush]

56. My Interpretation of the Whole Lot of them When being Interviewed

about this scandal:

Q. So, did you have anything to do with (pick your scandal connected to this)?

A. Well, you know... I gotta "COVER MY ASS." Then, when I was before the Grand Jury I had to "COVER MY ASS."

And so on and so forth. That's what I envision now, even from Hur Bulsivitz. Just "I GOTTA COVER MY ASS" while squirming, squinting, blinking, twitching, stuttering, etc. Yup, welcome to the COVER MY ASS GANG, brought to you by the wonderful folks over at the GOP & PNAC.

[Up2Late]

59. Count Reuters offically On Board the "Gonzales is a Scumbag" Express

Bush aide waited to inform staff of CIA leak probe

Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:20 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said on Sunday that he immediately told White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card -- but delayed telling others -- when the Justice Department launched an investigation into who leaked the identity of a CIA operative.

Gonzales, who at the time was White House counsel, told CBS's "Face the Nation" that he waited until the next morning to discuss the issue with President Bush and to formally notify the rest of the White House staff, requiring them to preserve any materials connected to the investigation.

Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware said the approximately 12-hour delay in notification "raises a lot of questions" about whether some White House officials could have received an early warning from Card. "The real question now is, who did the chief of staff speak to? Did the chief of staff pick up the phone and call (Bush political adviser) Karl Rove? Did the chief of staff pick up the phone and call anybody else?" Biden said.

Democrats have urged Bush to fire Rove or revoke his access to classified information after a reporter said he was a source about the identity of the CIA agent, Valerie Plame, in 2003. The leak came after Plame's husband, former diplomat Joseph Wilson, accused the White House of twisting intelligence to justify the Iraq war. It is against the law in some cases to knowingly reveal the identity of an undercover CIA officer.

<http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2005-07-25T052022Z_01_N25400599_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-LEAK-DC.XML>
(more at link above)

[BlakeB]

60. Ahaha!

And then things got even worse for the Bush administration.

[Inland]

61. CHicago Trib prints WaPo byline this morning on this story. nt

62. delay in notification

Why would the justice department allow a delay in notification, with the possibility the white house could be involved? Shouldn't you play the game extremely close to the vest? More examples of one more fox in the chicken coop.

From Reuters:
Asked about the report on CBS, Gonzales said his office was notified about the investigation at about 8:00 p.m. and that he had his staff "go back to the Department of Justice lawyers and ask them, 'Do you want us to notify the staff now, immediately, or would it be OK to notify the staff early in the morning?"'

"And we were advised, go ahead and notify the staff early in the morning, that would be OK," Gonzales said. "Most of the staff had gone home. No one knew about the investigation."

But Gonzales said he did tell one person at the White House -- Card.

Gonzales said he told the president first thing the next morning, "and shortly thereafter, there was notification sent out to all the members of the White House staff."




:crazy:

[woodsprite]

63. I was surprised it made page 2 of the Snooze Journal (DE). n/t

[corky44]

65. Do the RNC "Talking Points" amount to obstruction?

If FOX talking heads are using the Talking Points memo are
they part of the conspiracy? Is memo proof of a conspiracy? When do we shut their mouths for good?

[Supersedeas]

66. done

[Bumblebee]

67. Scottie's briefing today is at12:30 ET, 9:30 PT

Hope there are lots of Card questions.

[Bumblebee]

68. Dems to hold a press conference re Gonzales and Card

Dems to question whether Attorney General hindered leak inquiry

RAW STORY


Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) along with several other Democratic lawmakers will hold a 330 p.m. press conference questioning a 12-hour gap in the investigation of who outed a covert CIA operative, RAW STORY has learned.

After a column by the New York Times' Frank Rich on Sunday, new attention has been paid to a 12-hour gap in the White House's investigation into the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson.

The release asks, "WHAT WENT ON BETWEEN 8:00PM AND 8:OOAM?"

[mountebank]

69. Reprinted in Arizona Republic today! (AP story)

I was surprised, considering how crappy the paper usually is. Case in point, they just yesterday reprinted John Tierney's horrible op-ed from the NYT from like 2 weeks ago where he asserts that Plame was not undercover! This despite subsequent evidence from the White House's own MEMO that she was!

[buddha8]

70. nuking Iran

This just in over at anti-war.com. Cheney has asked STRATCOM for a workup on nuking Iran in a massive bombing campaign 'in the event of another 9/11'.

These fucking bastards will stage a massive diversionary attack on their own country to accomplish two immediate goals. First to declare martial law and thus stay in power and create wideranging hysteria in this country. I think the likelihood is high most especially because the investigation is getting closer and closer by the day to Cheney the mastermind. 2nd, if you nuke Teheran and utterly destroy it you have in effect the crystalization of the neo-con-Israeli madness that fueled the invasion of Iraq. It would be a typical and predictable lashing out in failure reaction to the debacle and humiliation that is Iraq. Too many idiot Liberals are expecting these guys to roll over now and pull back. On the contrary they have always,always demonstrated that they immediately will go on the offensive whenever they become vulnerable.

I would alert everyone to this real possibility now, writers, Net users,Congressman,friends, you name it. An event followed by martial law,roundups and a nuclear attack on Iran I beleive is in the not too distant future. These people will stop at nothing and have far too much to lose if they are indicted and either neutered or removed from office. If on the other hand they initiate a nuclear war, they automatically circle all wagons around them and reconsolidate their power. Plamegate is nothing compared to a story about a 9/11 stage 2 followed by a nuclear attack. Think about it.