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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:25 AM
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What was the difference between attacks on Pearl Harbor and 9/11 ?
Obviously, many people, including George W Bush look at the two attacks as similar. After all, more people were killed in WTC and Pentagon than at Pearl Harbor, and we declared war on Japan after that attack. So what's the difference? Are they equivalent? Is the number of deaths the measure we should use as the appropriate retaliation? Were we attacked by a country? IS there now an Axis of Evil that we are fighting?
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:33 AM
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1. The attacks on Pearl Harbor were done by a sovereign nation....
by the government. The attacks on 9/11 were done by a group of terrorists, not all from one country or sanctioned by a particular country.
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:39 AM
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4. "not ....sanctioned by a particular country". Unless you count the
executive branch of the US!!
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:42 AM
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6. If you believe LIHOP or MIHOP that is
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:49 AM
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9. I do believe in it. I checked out your link, but I don't see the
connection.
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:54 AM
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11. I believe that's his signature n/t
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:44 AM
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22. LOL I think you're right. Thanks. n/t
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:56 AM
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24. It is
Bryant
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H5N1 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:33 AM
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2. 911 was perpetrated by the US on the US
Pearl Harbor involved another country.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:38 AM
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3. Pearl Harbor enemy=nation / 9-11 enemy=ideology
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 09:40 AM by ktowntennesseedem
We knew who attacked us at Pearl, and declared war on Japan immediately. It took nearly four years, but we finally convinced our enemy to surrender and proceeded to rebuild their nation and rebuild relationship.

But after 9/11, we declared war on an ideology of hatred, and in our implementation of this "war on terror" we have angered our enemy even more and alienated former allies so that our enemies are even more numerous and the hatred even more complex scattered. It has been nearly four years now, and we are no where close to winning this one.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:41 AM
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5. the 1941 congress was not composed of cowards who were afraid to
issue a formal declaration of war as required by the US constitution and the president at that time was not a coward either unlike the current occupant of the white house. I doubt that roosevelt sat frozen with fear for 7-10 minutes like a deer in the headlights when he heard about pearl harbor.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:48 AM
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7. WTC Attack
followed by the Pentagon attack and the attempt to get to the Capitol building was an attack on the pompous corporate bullies of America. It was a demonstration that even the elite of America can be killed. It was intended to scare the poop out of the elites of America and it worked.

It is a pity so many innocents died in the demonstration.

"World Trade Center" a pompous name inviting hate from the have nots of the world. As was Bush number one's talk of "A New World Order". Many do not buy into that philosophy and fight against it anyway they can.

Japan was carving out her Empire and needed oil. The United States was in the way.

How is our Iraq invasion different?

IMHO

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:12 AM
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18. Which people who died in the WTC attack were not innocent? eom
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:31 AM
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19. I do not understand your question.
They were all innocent employees of course. Collateral damage the U.S. Military might reason.

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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:48 AM
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8. The handling of the retaliation is the difference....
The war in Afghanistan was justified but the * administration lied and manipulated others to go to Iraq (who had NOTHING to do with 9/11). When we were attacked at Pearl Harbor we didn't bomb Africa.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:53 AM
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10. 9-11 was a surprise attack on civilians ie non-combatants
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:56 AM
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13. True, but also...
the attackers were not military either..unlike Pearl Harbor...
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:55 AM
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12. IMHO, Pearl Harbour = LIHOP, 9-11 = MIHOP.
Simple, no?
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:07 AM
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15. No, lol /nt
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:57 AM
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14. We had a government investigation into Pearl Harbor almost
immediately. It took 18 months before this administration would allow 9/11 to be investigated. For those that don't believe LIHOP/MIHOP - why wouldn't an administration, that has nothing to hide, not demand an immediate investigation and put the full resources and authority of the government behind it? Because they obviously had a lot to hide.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:08 AM
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16. The investigation into who did it did start almost immediately. /nt
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:09 AM
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17. DING, DING, DING, DING!
We have a Winna!
The problem is not enough people can wrap their heads around the fact that people in OUR OWN GOVERNMENT were active in orchestrating 9/11/2001 for their own personal gain.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:32 AM
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20. Technically Pearl Harbor/Hawaii weren't part of the US yet (were they?)
Shame on me I am too lazy to google this and can't remember but wasn't Hawaii not yet a state when Pearl Harbor was attacked?

Aside from all that the PH attack came from another country not rogue whoevers that didn't actually represent a particular government.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:35 AM
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21. Hawaii and Alaska became states in 1959, I believe?
May have been a territory, much like Puerto Rico..
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:26 AM
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25. Yes, that's what I thought EOM
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:46 AM
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23. We didn't have a dumbass for a president back then
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