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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:08 AM
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Breaking: Senator, Dems Plan Press Conf. on Gonzales' Role In Leak Case
FLASH: SENATOR, DEMS PLAN PRESS CONFERENCE OVER GONZALES' ROLE IN LEAK CASE: 330PM..

http://rawstory.com

So what do we think?

Wise or unwise?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:10 AM
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1. Cool.
I knew Herr Torturer had a hand in this, he is an evil, dirty little man.

Got my popcorn ready :popcorn:

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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:10 AM
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2. What's this about I wonder? I'm going to be going nuts until 3:30, trying
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 11:11 AM by converted_democrat
to figure out what is afoot here. Jesus, I hope this is good.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:10 AM
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3. Risky
It's a bit risky to preempt Fitzgerald IMO. I guess it depends what they say at the conference.
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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:17 AM
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5. I Think They Are Just Trying to Raise Awareness/Call out Andy Card...
I think they are going to insist that Andy Card explain who he told about the investigation that night.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:15 AM
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4. Very Wise- They're taking advantage of momentum
-and this part of the story is familiar to them, as they worked on it when it was first news.

I love it when they fight!

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:17 AM
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6. Probably wise. Sen. Lautenberg (D-NJ) knows what he's doing.
I thought this was interesting: They will also unveil what they call a "Web Calendar," noting it has been 742 days since the agent's outing without a single hearing held in Congress.

Perhaps they should have a calendar of how long it's been since Little Boots swore to get Osama, dead or alive. The two do go hand-in-hand, since both are failures of this administration to handle intelligence responsibly.


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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 12:03 PM
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17. Doesn't Randi Rhodes have an "Osama Clock"? Is it online? (nt)
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colinmom71 Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 01:20 PM
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23. Right here...
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 12:41 PM
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18. next to that they should post
the Whitewater Web Calendar showing how many different Congressional hearings were going on - I don't think there was any subcommittee, no matter how tangentially relevant, that wasn't trying to grab some face time.

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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:18 AM
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7. Are they doing it to protect Fitz
and his investigation from his boss? Fitz is NOT an independent prosecutor like Starr...he is a special counsel, he must answer to Gonzalez.

If so, great proactive strategy.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:18 AM
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8. They will be keeping this story front and center, where
it should be! The talking heads will be talking tonight...
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:21 AM
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9. Lautenberg
isnt afraid to call anyone out...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:22 AM
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10. who in the DoJ was Gonzalez referring to?
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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:26 AM
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14. That's what I want to know.
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Patty Diana Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 02:57 PM
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27. Jesus General has the 12 hour breakdown of what went down at the WH
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:23 AM
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11. Busted! I heard him on the Sunday talk trail yesterday, and he
was asked about the infamous 12 and a half hour gap between when he was told of the investigation and when he told White House staff to hold any possible evidence.
Specifically he was asked did he tell anyone at all about the investigation before telling them to hold onto their correspondence.
He said the only person he had notified "immediately" of the investigation looming the next day was "the WH chief of staff".
Like Andrew Card was going to keep that under his friggin' hat for 12-plus hours...
:sarcasm:

When this was mentioned to Biden on the same show Biden said something like "Well, now I guess we'd better find out who Card talked to"...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 01:27 PM
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24. THIS INFO WAS AVAILABLE AT THE TIME..
many of us were screaming..12 hour notice..wtf..we were calling congress and screaming we were calling all medias screaming..but no one heard our call!

especially the dems were were calling..really many of us out here were doing repeat calls and emails to dem congress..and yet you could barely hear a word!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 01:34 PM
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26.  see old article i had in my files!!
see old article i had in my files!!
and the media is just catching onto this now when so many of us were emailing and calling them demanding truth and articles about it at the time?? they should all be ashamed ..and then celled us tin foil hats then..or just bloggers..well many of my internet group were calling writing letters and screaming about it when this was going on ..we were all screaming..shredders in the white house!


http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/100903A.shtml

Click here: t r u t h o u t - White House Lawyers Reviewing Evidence Before Justice Department

snip:

Go to Original

Bush Aides Will Review Leak Notes
By David Jackson
The Dallas Morning News

Tuesday 07 October 2003

White House's decision to give first look to its lawyers riles Democrats
White House lawyers will review phone logs and other records supplied by presidential aides before turning the documents over to the Justice Department officials conducting the investigation into who leaked a CIA undercover operative's identity, officials said Monday.

The disclosure inspired new Democratic calls for an independent inquiry.

"To allow the White House counsel to review records before the prosecutors would see them is just about unheard of in the way cases are always prosecuted," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., speaking on NBC's Today show. "And the possibility of mischief, or worse than mischief, is very, very large."

Administration officials said the White House counsel's office may need up to two weeks to organize documents that some 2,000 employees are required to submit by 5 p.m. Tuesday.

The documents must also be reviewed for national security or executive privilege concerns and to ensure the filings are responsive to Justice Department requests for information, White House aides said. The department is investigating whether Bush administration officials exposed a CIA operative's identity to reporters and a columnist, Robert Novak.

Bush: 'Criminal action'
President Bush underscored his concern about the leak Monday, telling reporters: "We're talking about a criminal action."

The president said information would be submitted to the Justice Department "on a timely basis," calling the investigation "a very serious matter, and our administration takes it seriously."

"I'd like to know who leaked," Mr. Bush added. "And if anybody has got any information, inside our government or outside our government, who leaked, they ought to take it to the Justice Department so we can find out the leaker."

White House officials are required to turn in any documents they may have related to the principals in the matter, including former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, his wife, Valerie Plame, and any reporters who were contacted about the couple.

White House spokeswoman Ashley Snee said she could not put a timeline on when the documents might be turned over to the Justice Department but said the review would be expeditious.

"It's going to be done with the intent of getting to the bottom of this," Ms. Snee said. "This is almost 2,000 people."

Mr. Schumer and other Democrats have called for an outside special counsel, questioning whether Attorney General John Ashcroft can fairly investigate his patrons at the White House.

Mr. Bush defended his Justice Department, saying, "These are ... professional


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ashcroft gave rove plenty of time to destroy his records... as did tenet! from july 14th to late september!

and do see from my files how rove and acroft were tied to each other!!
http://www.democracynow.org/static/roveashcroft.shtml


The Ashcroft-Rove Connection: The Ties That Blind
By Amy Goodman, Jeremy Scahill and the staff of Democracy Now!


snip:

Rove is best known as the driving force behind Bush's taking of the presidency, but he also worked for Ashcroft over the course of two decades.

"It goes all the way back to the mid 1980's when John Ashcroft first ran for governor and then when he ran for the United States Senate against Mel Carnahan," says Moore. "Karl was so intimately involved."

Not only did Rove work for Ashcroft in the 80s, but he was one of the main forces behind Ashcroft's controversial appointment to the job he currently holds, attorney general. Rove lobbied intensely for his former employer's nomination after Ashcroft lost his senate seat to a dead man, the late Mel Carnahan.

While Ashcroft was not Bush's first choice for attorney general, Rove reportedly told Bush that spilling some blood over the nomination of the fiercely right-wing Ashcroft was "a no-lose proposition."

Just as George W. Bush profited handsomely from the building of a stadium for his Texas Rangers baseball team, Karl Rove cashed in from the successful campaign in St. Louis to get a stadium built. The governor who signed the legislation?

John Ashcroft.

Now attorney general, Ashcroft is refusing to hand over the reigns of the criminal investigation of his political ally, former employee and longtime advisor, Karl Rove.




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corky44 Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:24 AM
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12. FANTASTIC!
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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:25 AM
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13. Can Someone Explain This To Me? Who Does Fitzgerald Report To
And who did he report to back then?

Did he report to Ashcroft? I'm just wondering who exactly authorized this "tell them in the morning" thing. Was it really Fitzgerald or was it someone who reported directly to Ashcroft?

Hope the Dems ask this question.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:29 AM
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15. At the time, it was Ashcroft. Here's a link for clarification:
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:31 AM
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16. Save Lives! Stop bu$hCo!
End their Abuse!

WAKE UP THE SLEEPING REPUBLICANS.


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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 12:42 PM
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19. I think they may ask Gonzales to recuse himeself
To make sure he can't fire Fitz.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 12:51 PM
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20. Sounds like an EXTREMELY good idea. I would demand it.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 01:02 PM
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21. Flash! Doesn't anyone remember when this originally happened?
Why has it taken almost 2 years for them to act?

Here is a letter from Schumer about it written in September 2003

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/cia/schumash100303ltr.pdf
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 01:31 PM
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25. yes i remember and i also remember a campaign by many on internet
to call all of congress and demand answers back then!!

we were all going nuts over this..i know you remember omm..we worked this together!

and yet the dems remained silent..and we on the internet with the truth were left out to rot in this slithering of truth!

we could not get hardly one dem in congress to touch this!
nor the media for that fact..i know i ran internet blitzes trying to get this info deseminated..

and yet it now only sees the light of day..amazing if you ask me!!

putrid but amazing!
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 01:05 PM
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22. Go Lautenberg!!
The release asks, "WHAT WENT ON BETWEEN 8:00PM AND 8:OOAM?"

They will also unveil what they call a "Web Calendar," noting it has been 742 days since the agent's outing without a single hearing held in Congress.

"The calendar will be on display and will be used by lawmakers to highlight the number of days that have passed since the White House leaked the identity of a CIA agent and the Republican controlled Congress hasn’t held one single hearing on the issue," Lautenberg's office says.


http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Dems_to_question_whether_Bush_Attorney_General_hindered_leak_inq_0725.html
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 02:58 PM
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28. Anybody know if this will be on CSpan or another network? n/t
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