"I saw ____ fucking a kid..." (from Taguba report on Abu Ghraib torture)

[StefanX]

This testimony about a US guard raping an Iraqi boy is from The Taguba Report on torture and other abuses at Abu Ghraib. (PDF format - right-click on the link and hit "Save..." to dowload it.)

Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush sure know how to recruit terrorists.

[Clark2008]

1. Dear God in Heaven.

:cry:

[shelley806]

72. This is the party of God, Good family values and Virtue...I was about

to say not 'my' God, but that is one of the problems here. That's what the fundie fanatics and the muslim fanatics and all religious fanatics do.

[Toots]

108. How do you know what party those monsters belong to?

I doubt they even vote. Most kids in their twenties belong to no party or bother to vote. It does not help the cause to jump to conclusions. The military sometimes breeds monsters. It is in the brainwashing. A lot of Democrats are in the military but most young soldiers probably belong to no party.

[ooglymoogly]

109. yahhh errrroiyt

watch out for the bumps...those turnip trucks tend to have a bumpy ride and you don't want to fall off. you are soooooo right...these guys are probably left leaning, believing in all kinds of human rights.

[KansDem]

116. Actually, I think the poster was referring to the CinC and his cohorts.

Let's be frank: This was condoned by Bush and his ilk when he thumbed his nose at the Geneva Convention, mooned the International Court at The Hague, and let his mouthpiece Gonzales write that torture was okie-dokie.

Those actions opened the door to this dastardly behavior. The "Party of God and Moral Values" is neither.

[shelley806]

117. EXACTLY !! And Roberts is of the same ilk...these oh so Christian

people; No, animals.

[shelley806]

118. I was being sarcastic...God and Christ are anti-war and torture...this

administration sets the tempo and is responsible for these young 'brainwashed' monsters. Just who do you suppose does the brainwashing? Christians??? An oxymoron.

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. OMG

:cry: OMG :cry: What have we become? The monsters of the WORLD! :cry:

[Bluebear]

133. kick

[knight_of_the_star]

3. We have seen the enemy and he is us

:wow:

Our ancestors are weeping tears of blood wondering how we went so far wrong.

[Hissyspit]

38. But then we have learned that lesson before, many times, haven't we?

There are those who know how to blind the masses to that lesson learned. They use this ability to their advantage.

[Pachamama]

60. I'm so sick & disgusted by * and what they have done to our country

....to even think that these things were done in our name, our nation's good name is unthinkable....

I'm so nauseated I can barely speak....the events of late have left me so numb and disgusted and angered all at the same time....

I will admit that while never wishing harm on others, these actions make me want every single one of these perps who have raped children and abused people to be put in prison and treated the same way. :puke:

[nashville_brook]

110. that's too good for them

i'm totally with you, not wishing harm on others -- but this is EVIL. this is beyond the pale.

it's not just the kids -- what are they doing to our TROOPS BY CREATING this environment? they are turning our men and women into monsters.

[burrowowl]

64. Where is Walt Kelly when we need him!

Nuremburg!?!
The slaughter isn't as great yet! But, the principle is the same!

[leveymg]

4. A century from now, we'll continue to be reminded of these crimes

This is a stain that will never go away. We should all be ashamed.

[jobycom]

5. We should be ashamed, but I doubt we will be

Remember the Native Americans. They teach history in America to make us feel good about our nation, not to tell us the truth.

[noahmijo]

8. THEY should be ashamed not US

I didn't vote for or approve this torture and until the person who says I should be ashamed is willing to take a bullet for rushing the criminals who perform these acts I will admit no part of this torture.

I will say though talk about sick fucks that deserve nothing less than a life sentence in Oz with Adebisi as a cellmate...

[tuvor]

35. I disagree. EVERYONE should be ashamed

...unless we're doing something to stop it.

[noahmijo]

39. What more can we do besides peaceful protests and letter writing?

I'm not getting myself arrested for attempting to break into the white house sorry. For starters it would accomplish nothing.

[tuvor]

43. Well, so much for my first idea.

:eyes:

Why don't you start a brand new thread and ask that very question?

[tuvor]

50. We're already getting some good ideas here, noahmijo.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4192139&mesg_id=4192139

[noahmijo]

59. Yea that's good wanna know what I did?

For 3 months after I graduated instead of looking for a job like I should have done me and my friend who is a combat vet of the first Iraq War went around showing people on campus this sort of lit, we got right up in young republicans dirty little faces and publically showed them up to be cowards, we attended the last presidential debate in Phoenix and caused some major noise, we had facts about Kerry and Edwards that not even their dumbass campaign advisors told about them, my friend would take groups and talk about the realities of war and what this war is doing to America, he would also give little speeches to veteran's groups, I being an Ex New Yorker having been to NYC since 9/11 to visit old friends some of which are firefighters and NYPD told the yahoos out here exactly what those directly affected by 9/11 and Chimp's cutting of their benefits and ceasing of their increase in pay which ended after the Clinton years are saying about what's happening to them.

We took to the streets here, we witnessed a friend of ours get run over by some Republican in a jeep who was "pro-life" I watched my girlfriend get verbally attacked by some fucking redneck just before some other redneck tried to crush one of our own with his jeep (this served as a distraction at the time that stopped me from pummeling the motherfucker who was calling my girlfriend a baby killer)

In the end we may have reached some people but clearly not enough. You want to reach the average American yahoo you gotta plant their fat asses in front of Survivor or 7th Heaven.

I was there I was living it I went toe to toe with these bastards who support these criminals in power, I told John McCain to his face that he wasn't going to get my vote for turning Bush lapdog during the McCain/Starky debates I stood with Vietnam Vets and watched them get spit on by frat boys playing soldier in rented military vehicles, my friend and I reformed the Young Democrats out here and turned it from being a social club to a club that got shit done that got the word out, we braved the hot sun we didn't sleep for 2 days straight just before the election to make signs and put them out in the twilight hours (most of which we made and painted ourselves just hours before they were to be put up)

So alls I'm saying is NO ONE is gonna fuckin tell me that I should be ashamed I did what I could do, maybe I'm not radical enough to perform a stunt that will land me in Gitmo, but if anyone else is guess what? it won't accomplish shit but make an example out of you as to why "we liberals are the terra-ists"

[tuvor]

75. Thanks for posting that.

I hope you can appreciate that I had no idea.

I also hope it'll be worth it in the end.

Thanks again.

[Sparkman]

126. pricinct work this election was a hot mother. door to door in Org Cnty CA

THAT's what get's the shit done. Ass kicker!

[noahmijo]

132. Lemme tell ya you boys from OC and LA came down here and

really stirred shit up.

Thank you for helping out down here in Az if you were amongst the many who bussed down here to try to make Az blue.

[Tigress DEM]

36. Unfortunately, those of US who even haven't approved torture will

feel the shame of this as time goes on. The fall of America is a collective thing, and just as all Germans feel the sting of being the country that birthed and allowed Hitler to come to power, so shall all Americans feel the pain of not having been able to stop this madman and his henchmonkey's sooner.

Which reminds me, have to book my hotel room for the IMPEACHMENT Weekend 9/24-26/2005.

[Pachamama]

61. Do you think that in schools they will teach about this & show images

similar to when I was in HS and they taught us about the detainment of the Japanese in WWII?

All I know is that this is beyond disgusting and like the Holocaust, must be remembered and taught to show future generations what we can degenerate into when we don't protect and remember the lessons of democracy and become apathetic....

[nashville_brook]

111. if we are LUCKY we will be reminded of this

if we aren't...

[appleannie1]

6. No one can convince me the higher ups

did not know this type of thing was going on. They had psychological reports on all the soldiers sent there. So they hand picked the ones for the job from that. The average soldier would not have done those things and many would have been outraged. Since all of the ones there thought it was cute, they had to have been chosen from their psycological reports. They were telling the truth when they said they were 'ordered to".

[jojo54]

11. Well, the higher ups' are the ones who do most of the

posturing, so they just handed down their specialty. :sarcasm:

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

I read/heard somewhere that the people chosen to go to Abu Ghraib were from prisons here. They were hard core wardens who had had massive rapes and deaths in their prisons. One was AZ? I think? Damn. I can't remember where I read that or heard it. They, no doubt, were given free rein at the GULAGS in Abu Ghraig and GITMO and were hand picked for the job. :(

[AlienGirl]

49. The return of the Dirlewanger philosophy of warfare--

Take the most abusive possible people and put them in positions to abuse.

Nothing new. :cry:

Tucker

[AuntiBush]

20. Welcome Appleannie1. Sorry it's on such a horrifically sad note

Welcome. Hope you learn from your stay. Sadly, this is one horrifically sad note. I'm for a loss of words at this moment.

Don't you feel betrayed of what we thought our country stood for before Bush came into office? I know I do, sickenly at that.

[TahitiNut]

26. Study the Stanford Jail Experiment.

Heed the words of Lord Acton: "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Only when "ordinary" people fully comprehend that "ordinary" people are fully capable of behaving in such a fashion, especially given the position of power and subtle encouragement, will we EVER make progress in eradicating such atrocities. The "powers that be" don't need to be overt in ensuring such treatment of prisoners ... far, far less will suffice.

[niallmac]

53. Good Point. Stanford teaches the line of command need only

insure that the situation for abuse is created. No puppet master necessary. The Stanford study was shocking to all who witnessed it in the rapidity and ferociousness of its devolution.
Of course this excuses no one. Whoever set up this unsupervised hell scenario should be
slammed. In reality the guilty ones are playing golf with Kenny Lay et al.

[TahitiNut]

58. Yep. You got it. It's why looking for overt commands is a waste of time.

An attitude of malicious neglect is more than sufficient. In the Taguba Report, that neglect was characterized as widespread. It should be more than enough to demonstrate complicity. There's no passing the buck on this one -- it goes right to the top. When they deliberately and demonstrably smeared the boundaries of "appropriate treatment" and failed to impose ages-old command discipline and oversight, they were intentionally unleashing torture and atrocities.

[IndyOp]

120. Last semester I showed the entire Stanford Prison film in

in class for the first time. It is the photos of the Stanford 'prisoners' in humiliatingly short gowns with bags over their heads that haunt me most.

Here is a photo comparing the Stanford prisoners and Iraqi prisoners:
<http://www.prisonexp.org/slide-33.htm>

:(

[niallmac]

127. Whoa! That is so disturbing! I have to wonder if they didn't know exactly

what they were doing to our soldiers and by extension to Iraqi captives. I hate the way the higher ups all get to go home and wash the blood off their hands and enjoy their lives; the corporates, the militarists, the politicos. It is so dangerous to have an uneducated majority. We are witnessing the return of the middle ages it seems to me...one of my dark mood days.

[bobbieinok]

128. everyone connected with the Stanford experiment totally freaked out......

they stopped the experiment, even though it wasn't 'finished'

[Jara sang]

112. Indeed

Check out the quote in my sigline. I think it sums up what you are saying pretty well.

[Roland99]

7. Is this on the WaPo front page??

Where's the full article referring to this?

[jojo54]

22. I checked and didn't see it in WaPo

The document certainly looks authentic.

[Pachamama]

63. It's a link off the WaPo site from the Taguba Report-its authentic. I saw

this and read it in its entirety when it was released. It is only one of many disgusting things in that report. The worst thing is that our elected Reps and Senators saw the pix that haven't been released...they know what's going on and happened....

[Swamp Rat]

88. I also read it when it came out.

:hi: :hug:

[slipslidingaway]

67. Link to story and if you change the detainee number

on the pdf link you can access other statements.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43783-2004May20.html

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/abughraib/18170.pdf


Found the story link by searching the detainee's name.

[Roland99]

93. Thanks!

[jojo54]

9. We will never live this image down.......never!

It's going to take a long, long time before the rest of the world respects us again like they have in the past.

It's going to take a long, long time until our own US citizens trust our own government again.

[MelissaB]

10. No, we won't!

:cry:

[Bluebear]

12. Never.

And we shouldn't.

[nookiemonster]

51. Trust, with one eye open all the time.

Much later.

[complain jane]

13. They'll conveniently use this to say gays shouldn't be allowed

in the military, end of story.

"That wasn't us, it was the damn gays."

And the narrow-minded will buy it because to them all gays are pedophiles anyway.

[TahitiNut]

19. Neither rape nor pedophilia have anything to do with sex.

They're about power and domination ... qualities abundant in those who enjoy being jailers, unfortunately.

[complain jane]

28. No, no - I know

I know all that, I'm just saying, the rightwingnuts jump all over that kind of shit and totally try to twist it to their warped advantage.

[ConfuZed]

15. WHO IS THE GUARD AND IS THIS CHILD MOLESTER IN JAIL?

[more_pain_please]

76. I'm guessing he got promoted..

That's what they seem to do for those who have learned to smile when they kill.

[Ilsa]

16. And the RWers blame 9-11 on depravity. I wonder how they

feel about this?

So the answer for them is to invade an uninvolved country and humiliate, rape, and torture its citizens.

[wiggs]

17. Frankly, this is what we've done to their whole country. nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

18. The Iraq war was based on shit, it was conducted as shit,

it was led by shit, it spawned shit like this, this was to be expected.
Imagine the horrors that are going on there right now.

[proud patriot]

21. Horrendous

:cry:

[AAARRRGGGHHH]

23. Kicked and recommended ...

Everyone in the world should see this, but no one should ever have to.

[texanwitch]

24. I was a medic in the Army and I worked in two large military hospitals

in Europe and I can tell you rape is common in the military.

Women and young males in the military were victims of abuse, and nothing was usually done about it.

The rapes Abu Ghraib does not surprise me at all, rape is a power trip. The pictures and videos must be pretty bad for the White House to be blocking them from the public. Get prepared when the pictures and videos due come out, but they do need to be seen.

[TahitiNut]

29. Yep. Welcome to Authoritarian Culture -- where power and numbers ...

... are license to abuse. It's the ultimate mob mentality.

[Tigress DEM]

32. Real Military Leaders DON'T LET their troops pillage and loot....

Obviously, we don't have enough Real Military Leaders these days.

I was trying to talk to a reservist - my boss - who has been to Iraq and may be called back. I think he honestly believes his koolaid stories.

He looks at me and asks me if I believe HE would torture anyone or allow anyone to be tortured in his presence. I said, "No, but I don't believe that everyone is as honorable as you over there and I think the administration was purposefully misleading soldiers to put out a memo condoning torture. Then the only people who were 'caught' on film and none of the higher ups get busted doesn't make sense.

He points to that one general who got nabbed for Guantanamo - and I said, "Right.... she was someone who came by and did a few inspections, and the commander who was there full time had NO IDEA?" He tells me the Guantanamo prisoners are treated with kid gloves and there has been no documentation of torture.

The other day he told me how DU - Depleted Uranium - was really not so dangerous to handle. I told him, it's a bit different when it's in the ground as fallout vs in protected containers being handled by trained persons. When you walk in Fallujeah, you're getting a rain check for cancer in 20 years. He shook his head. I told him, "For your sake, I hope I'm wrong."

[texanwitch]

42. Wow, your boss has been drinking a lot of koolaid.

The subject of rape was treated the same way for years, it doesn't happen, never happens, we would never let it happen.

To many lifers look the other way when things happen, couldn't let anything get in the way of their careers.

On the subject of DU, you couldn't be more right, our military in Iraq are walking, talking cancer victims. Also the babies being born to our military exposed to DU, any man going over should visit a sperm bank before he leaves.

[Tigress DEM]

77. What happens to the babies?

He hasn't had kids yet.

[texanwitch]

83. Sorry , I' m back, here is a article about DU.

Film Poison DUst features vets exposed to DU

By David Hoskins

February 20, 2005--The premiere showing on Feb. 15 of "Poison DUst"--a documentary highlighting the effects of Depleted Uranium on veterans returning from the Iraq war-- attracted a large and engaged crowd at the New School theater. Filmmaker Sue Harris was on hand to introduce the film and take questions afterward. Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark and Sara Flounders, national co-director of the International Action Center, also spoke at the event.

DU refers to that portion of uranium left over after the enrichment process that makes natural metallic uranium suitable for nuclear uses. DU has limited civilian applications in the development of medical radiation therapy machines.

However, the military has found a more sinister use for DU in its operations. Because of its high density, DU is used in armor-penetrating munitions. DU munitions were used extensively by United States forces in both the first and current Iraq wars, putting soldiers and civilians at risk of exposure.

DU is both radioactive and toxic to the human body. Exposure to DU can cause a host of ailments associated with the kidneys, lungs and immune system. An increased risk of lung tissue damage and lung cancer has been documented among uranium miners.

The film features soldiers whose health has been affected by DU exposure, along with the wives of military personnel discussing genetic disabilities faced by their children as a result of a parent's exposure to DU. An increased risk of miscarriages, maternal mortality and congenital disabilities is associated with DU contamination.

It's a weapon of mass destruction.

The top U.S. military brass are complicit in the cover-up of DU's harmful effects on civilians and soldiers. The current attitude of the U.S. military leadership is similar to the approach taken during the Vietnam War, when military leaders ignored the health risks connected to the use of Agent Orange as a defoliant.

Several military servicemembers and their families, including veterans featured in the film, were in attendance at the premiere of "Poison Dust." The anger these individuals harbor toward the government that disregarded their health and safety was apparent during the open discussion that followed the film.

It is up to the anti-war movement to channel this anger into an active resistance of the U.S. war of occupation in Iraq.

As the Troops Out Now Coalition organizes for a mass demonstration in New York City's Central Park on March 19, "Poison DUst" helps demonstrate why soldiers have both a right and a duty to resist serving in a military that disregards the lives of GIs and Iraqis.

To order a copy of Poison DUst, call 212-633-6646 or order online at LeftBooks.com

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[Tigress DEM]

84. Thanks

Doubt he'll listen, but ... gotta try.

[Sparkman]

125. Any regrets serving in the USMIL? Overall, could U recruit 4 em?

[derby378]

25. If you voted for Bush, you voted for this

Hope you Republicans are pleased with yourselves!

[kestrel91316]

27. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind ............................

Bush, you WORTHLESS EXCUSE FOR HUMAN BEING ..................resign now, before we come and get you and do it for you. This happened on your watch, and for all we know probably with your blessings. You are guilty yourself of the rape, the torture, the murder. GUILTY!!!!

You POS.

You will face justice some day for this, and then you will face your maker. They reserve special places in hell for your sort.

[complain jane]

30. Now imagine what acts they only performed out of the camera's eye.

If they felt comfortable taping a child being sodomized by the great American Liberators, I can only imagine what else they did to these people.

Pigs.

[texanwitch]

52. I was thinking about this myself.

I wonder how many of the young girls and woman are being raped on a regular basis, you know just for fun.:sarcasm:

[tuvor]

31. Out of Iraq NOW, Goddammit.

Nothing, but NOTHING good is being accomplished by remaining.

[Name removed]

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[Minstrel Boy]

33. "the female soldier was taking pictures"

WHY???

FOR WHO???

[LibertyorDeath]

40. .

[leftchick]

94. my thought as well MB

how sick. :(

[KansDem]

119. Reminds me of the movies taken of conspirators to assassinate Hitler

...who were hung with piano wire to die a slow agonizing death. These movies were seen by Hitler, who watched them with great delight(or so I read/heard in more than one source).

"Sick" is too kind a word for the likes of these evil ______*

________
Insert appropriate noun here. I can't think of any right now that describes the utter disgust and anger I feel toward Bush/Rummy et al.

[tuvor]

34. Recommend this, make sure as many as possible see it!!!

[knitter4democracy]

37. I am just sick.

Sick. It's not the America we can be, the one we should be. It's sick.

[d_b]

41. That's just an old fashioned fraternity prank

Don't even worry about it.

[driver8]

46. Exactly...shrub used to do it at Yale all the time!!

[slaveplanet]

54. mp3

http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/limbaugh-20040504.mp3

CALLER: It was like a college fraternity prank that stacked up naked men --

LIMBAUGH: Exactly. Exactly my point! This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation and we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of need to blow some steam off?

[FreedomAngel82]

44. Truly horrific

Excuse me while I barf.

[Deja Q]

45. On top of everything else, US gays will get the next wave of violence.

:scared:

[wookie294]

47. It's another example of Republican pedophilia

See the long list of Republican pedophiles at this link....

http://www.armchairsubversive.com

DOWN WITH REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA!

[Name removed]

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[Lex]

48. Now the WHOLE WORLD really will hate us.

And for good reason.

Not so many hated us on 9/11 as they do now.

I feel like puking.

[Patchuli]

56. I think the world knows there is a lot of U.S.

who don't agree, never agreed and have fought long and hard against these neo-con monsters.

[Lex]

57. I hope so. I truly hope so.

It just sickens me.

I remember marching against this stupid war on Iraq before it ever started, before any of our soldiers were dead, before any Iraqi kids were raped by our soldiers. Before those freaking human pyramids were made. Before . . . all this.

No turning the clock back now. It's so depressing and terrible.

[Pachamama]

69. I marched too against the war, but never did I imagine in my worst dreams

that the war would bring this kind of thing out in our military and against the Iraqis! I was picturing bombs dropping and killing people...not our soldiers and contractors raping women, men and children. Not human pyramids of naked people told to engage in sexual acts and being photographed or soldiers punching handcuffed men smeared in feces until they are knocked unconsious.

And we marched then, many many weekends and yet why don't any of us march now? Now that we have over 1800 dead soldiers, 100's of thousands of dead Iraqis, knowledge of the torture we speak of in this thread etc...We even now know that these pigs running our country into the ground who started this war did it based on LIES! And yet, why aren't there marches now? Did everyone give up? Is everyone afraid? Does everyone think that it doesn't help to march? :shrug:

[Patchuli]

73. Me too...

and I remember being asked if I was "patriotic" to feel this way...sigh.

I should ask the same folks "Is it patriotic to rape women and children?"

[Horse with no Name]

55. I'd like to see one of these worthless Bush apologists

apologize for this. Fucking miscreants.

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[MinneapolisMatt]

62. There are no words.

I am so profoundly sorry.

-Matt

[mikelewis]

65. No, there's one word - judgement

[MinneapolisMatt]

70. Yes, you are correct.

And if they don't face punishment on the earth before they die, I will make damn sure they do once I cross over.

Those mother fuckers, I hope they fucking rot in HELL!

(Sorry for the language.)

-Matt

[fooj]

85. Full Accountability!

Actions have consequences. They OWN this evil. Rat bastards!

My heart aches. My gut aches.

:cry:

[Bluebear]

66. "The female soldier was taking pictures" SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK

[Maraya1969]

68. A photo I had not seen until now

http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=1&p=12446&s2=11

[AlienGirl]

74. Is the bloody object in the picture

a dildo, or the prisoner's amputated penis? Does anyone know?

Tucker

[DoYouEverWonder]

91. That picture came out last year

around the same time has the first batch from Abu Ghraib. It is truly sickening what this misadministration has done to destroy our military. All of this is happening because of a failure of leadership at the highest levels. A leadership who would rather ignore and hide the fact we are using torture on a daily basis.

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

71. WTF.

Not that I'm extremely shocked or suprised to see this testimony,
but WTF nevertheless. Despicable.

I really am beyond much capacity to say anything further.

WTF.

[kimchi]

81. Don't you get it?

These are lies, all lies, the enemy is trained to lie and say Korans are flushed when really we only accidentally peed on them. I mean, come on, our soldiers are honorable and why do you hate America?

Love it or leave it, terrorist sympathizer.

People see and hear what they want to see and hear and they disregard the rest. They just don't CARE because these are "all terrorists" and deserve what they get.

Seriously, I've heard the justifications so many times--on a board full of women, no less. I have tryed to get through to them to no avail so then I tried the low-key intellectual route, which doesn't work either. But tonight I was just so pissed that I railed on one chick who kept trying to say that "they" all want to kill us so Iraqis deserve what they get. I so hate my brainwashed uncompassionate selfish greedy fellow countrymen sometimes.

And yes, I can absolutely see them blaming it on a few bad apple homosexuals.

[Sapphire Blue]

82. GOD DAMN YOU GEORGE W BUSH. GOD DAMN YOU TO HELL

WITH THE REST OF YOUR EVIL CABAL.

[BamaBecky]

104. My sentiments EXACTLY !!

[Solly Mack]

86. How anyone cannot be ashamed of America is beyond my understanding

How devoid of humanity do you have to be to read this and not die a little inside?

[mwb970]

134. Our leaders, and their followers, *are* devoid of humanity.

How could anyone with genuine compassion approve of, much less commit, the endless crimes and sins of this terrible regime?

When you realize how few Republican voices are raised to protest even the most depraved, treasonous, anti-American behavior, you know that this is a group of people who have seriously lost their way.

Protest! They defend it.

We often hear that the ** regime is not "genuinely conservative" or that they are not "genuinely Republican". I'd go further. It seems to me that they are not "genuinely American". And you have to wonder about their humanity. What are they?

[AtomicKitten]

87. I'm paralyzed

I can't tell if I feel worse that this has happened or that I can't stop it. I am stunned that our country is at the epicenter. Al Gore was right, they are dragging the good name of the US through the mud. They are killing the soul of America and I just don't see how we can make this right.

[Disturbed]

89. The Bush Regime and Congress Violated the Constitution.

They are still doing so to this day.

The atrocities of Abu Grahib have been covered up. The War Criminals have not been charged.

Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

[Jara sang]

114. I feel the same way AtomicKiten

Welcome. The thing I try to remind myself is that those in power WANT you to believe you are powerless. You are not.

[rman]

90. needs 3 more nomitations

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[QuettaKid]

92. Do we KNOW for certain that this was a US

soldier involved ? Not that it makes a huge difference, but I seem to recall hearing/reading that it was an Iraqi soldier involved in the rape? and the poster above is absolutely correct that the fundies would totally turn this around into a "SEE!!! No gays in the military kind of thing..."

[Bridget Burke]

95. The story said it was about a US Guard.

Do you have a link to the other version?

[leftchick]

99. I thought it was a translator

I am not sure if he was Iraqi or not. Either way the person who did this was under command of the US Military and who the fuck is the woman taking photos???

[Vinca]

96. I want to vomit.

What kind of person would do this? What kind of monsters were working at that prison? Who are they and why aren't they in prison? Who gave the orders? No wonder they're fighting to keep those photos under cover. The "we don't torture" mantra would be forever meaningless and everyone involved to the very top of the food chain would be suspect.

[tjdee]

97. Two questions: Who's interviewing these detainees, and do they use "fuckin

g"?

The pdf isn't working for me. I guess the translators translated whatever was said into "fucking"... I'm just unsure why/how this statement would be taken.

I think I'm in denial. :scared:

[johannes1984]

98. Yep goddamn crackers rule now

mill figured we'ld be over our backwater spasms veiled as religion by now .We aren't , and looke here , we still have monstrous deeds to boot .

This is slowly starting to seep into the MSM in continental europe .....and if there ever was a politician who could explain why being nice to america mattered , he's going to have a real hard time now .

well strength to all of you , if this leadership allows this to happen to children , I fear for all the american citizens not standing in line to applaud little plastic figurines of jezus and co .

[wurzel]

100. Just another couple of bad apples from the Garden of Eden (USA).

[Skinner]

101. The link is giving me an error.

Anyone else having difficulty getting the PDF?

[Theres-a]

102. I get a blank adobe reader

[mcscajun]

103. No Problem -- using Firefox 1.0.6 with Adobe Reader 7.0

Got the PDF displayed.

[Misunderestimator]

105. Comes up for me (using both Firefox and IE, Adobe 7.0)

[King Coal]

107. I can read it with Adobe 6

[Skinner]

113. I just upgraded to Acrobat Reader 7

Still no dice. :shrug:

[Goldmund]

121. I often have a problem with my browser Acorbat plugin...

...but it works when I save it on my HD, and open it with the standalone Acrobat reader.

[katinmn]

131. try this:

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/abughraib/151108.pdf

[mod mom]

106. Sick motherfuckers-they did this in our name. I am ashamed and brought to

tears.

[The Night Owl]

115. Something else that is disturbing...

I frequent a forum which a military recruiter sometimes posts
at. His take on the rape at Abu Ghraib prison is that it isn't
our problem...

Go here if you want to vomit...

http://p102.ezboard.com/flastrefugeofthesanefrm2.showMessage?topicID=6211.topic

[Triana]

122. NeoCon Response: "It's about Gays."

"Looks like you are making the case for keeping homosexuals(gays) out of the military.

If this report is true then that would suggest that Bush is trying to protect homosexuals. But you people on the left believe that Bush is anti-gay. So what is it? Is the story correct or is Bush anti-gay?"

[Toucano]

135. Radical Muslims and radical Christians have a common enemy.

Guess who?

[spanone]

123. They will be blowing us up for many years.........yep, many years.

[donheld]

124. And some on DU has the nerve to

think the insergents are bad people.

[katinmn]

129. And Cheney is threatening to veto an independent investigation

What a sick, sick bunch. Justice would be Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove all sitting in jail cells and worrying about getting raped.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=106&topic_id=20114&mesg_id=20114

[Bride of Cthulhu]

130. absolutely sickening.

things like this make me ashamed to be an american.