Jon Stewart smacking Santorum

[NYC Liberal]

Santorum was talking BS about gay marriage and "preserving marriage" and learning "values" from "real" families.

So Jon goes, "I've found that virtue has NOTHING TO DO WITH sexuality OR religion!"

[NoSheep]

1. Santorum makes me vomit. WHAT an idiot.

[BrklynLiberal]

2. Could not watch him..even on TDS. Had to turn it off.

[bunny planet]

7. Me too. Watching Man on Dog Santorum try and piggy back on TDS ratings

to spread his hateful, reactionary, crap is more than I have the stomach for. I shut it off as soon as he walked out. I'm glad JS is giving him a tough time though.

[gatorboy]

13. Funny you should say that.

I think this is the first time I had to turn off TDS just from looking at a guest. Brrrrrr!!!!!

[Bill McBlueState]

3. thread in GDP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1956913&mesg_id=1956913

[whistle]

4. Santorum is a pompous arrogant ass!

[RoyGBiv]

5. MY EYES!! MY EYES!!

I didn't realize he was actually TALKING to him.

I had an instinctive reaction to throw something at the television. Luckily the only thing within reach as an empty chip bag.

I love the way Jon can express "you're bat-shit crazy" just with a look.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. Sans-Scrotum hasn't read much history.

If he did, he'd know that marriage, historically, wasn't about raising children "correctly" or "morally" (whatever that means) -- it was all about property and inheritance rights and about the man knowing that his children were really his. A man "owned" his wife and children, and nobody gave a rat's ass if he abused them or raised them "correctly." You had kids (lots of them, since many would die as infants) to help you with your farm work if you were a peasant, or to "sell" to another family if you were nobility, to form alliances and empires. Nobody even thought about "family values."

[Ian David]

28. The Myth of Marriage

The Myth of Marriage
By Monica Mehta, AlterNet
Posted on July 21, 2005, Printed on July 26, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/23400/

The institution of traditional marriage is in a state of crisis.

There's a misstatement in that sentence. But it's not that marriage is in crisis. It's that the institution of marriage is, or was at any time, traditional. As Stephanie Coontz reveals in her new book, Marriage, A History: From Obedience to Intimacy, or How Love Conquered Marriage, human unions have gone through a number of evolutions. We would be remiss to think that it was ever a stable institution. Instead, it has always been in flux. It has only been based on the concept of love for 200 years; before that, it was a way of ensuring economic and political stability. Through painstakingly-detailed descriptions and anecdotes from hunter-gatherer days to the modern era, Coontz points out that "almost every marital and sexual arrangement we have seen in recent years, however startling it may appear, has been tried somewhere before." So when we think of cohabitation, gay marriage, or stepfamilies as deviating from the "norm," we are wrong, because there has never really been a "norm."

For a country obsessed with the perfect image of the nuclear family -- mother, father and two kids -- this is eye-opening. We are trying to force ourselves to be something we never really were, or were for a very brief period of time. Instead, Coontz argues, we need to be more tolerant of and open to different forms of union. People with traditional "family values" lack the skills to adapt to social realities that have changed marriage, such as the increased independence of women.

Coontz argues that many of our familial woes come from an unrealistic, idealized version of marriage, and advocates a more liberal interpretation of marriage. Many have had this idea before, but Coontz's centuries-long historical survey confirms it. Below, she answers our questions about gay marriage, the government's support (or lack thereof) of the institution, and what really makes a marriage work.

What is the central thesis of your book?

The basic argument for this book is that what we think of as the traditional marriage -- the marriage based on love, and for the purpose of making peoples' individual lives better -- this was not the purpose of marriage for thousands of years. Instead, marriage was about acquiring in-laws, jockeying for political and economic advantage, and building the family labor force. It was only 200 years ago that people began to believe that young people could choose their own mates, and should choose their own mates on the basis of something like love, which had formerly been considered a tremendous threat to marriage. As soon as people began to do that, all of the demands that we now think of as radical new demands -- from the demand for divorce, to the right to refuse a shotgun marriage, to even recognition of same-sex relations -- were immediately raised.

More:
http://www.alternet.org/story/23400/

[Cha]

8. Jon should ask him how

he feels about "don sherwood"..

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/news/12198584.htm


"Santorum spares Sherwood the family-values lecture"
http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/12174379.htm

From yesterday on DU..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1953375

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. I can't stand this sanctimonious prig. n/t

[MuseRider]

10. This is difficult

to watch. RS is making me feel really angry. Get him Jon.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Did you hear Santorum bragging about

the index in his book?? WTF? Like a book with an index is a phenomenal thing??

[MuseRider]

24. The only good thing

I can say about him is that he is not from Kansas. :puke:

[tinfoilinfor2005]

11. He said that the ideal family is

A mom and a dad and their OWN child.

Sorry, all you adopted kids. You are losers and have no chance living in an ideal family. Same with you step parents. And you grandparents raising your grandchildren. And of course you same sex parents. You all just don't fit into Rick's Pleasantville.

[Carla in Ca]

17. I guess that means he will be voting against Roberts?

n/t

[tinfoilinfor2005]

20. Don't know how his conscience would allow him to do otherwise.

Two people in a marriage with someone else's kids. How disgusting.

[Carla in Ca]

22. LOL...let's put him in the 'NO' column!

n/t

[Wetzelbill]

21. well, yeah that is an ideal family

it doesn't mean it's always the best family or the only way to go. Lots of non-ideal families are just great while lots of so-called ideal ones don't have the best lives.

I'm sure the people of Pennslyvania would like to have an ideal Senator, but I guess they make do with the shitheap that they got.

[Jane Austin]

26. To bad for those of us who found our marriage partners when

too old to have any more children.

I guess we're just living in sin.

[liveoaktx]

12. The nature of what's best for society-and he's the one that knows????

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

14. Lol on the Bill Bennett comment but I think it was too obtuse without

background for those who don't know about Bennett's huge gambling addictiont.

[PA Democrat]

15. LOL! Jon bets Santorum that his book outsells Bill Bennet's book

and gives him odds. Santorum doesn't get the joke. Idiot!

[Jacobin]

19. 5 to 1 odds!!!!!!!

Santorum his a very tiny brain. That much is completely apparent.

[Ian David]

29. I had to run to google to figure it out

[Toucano]

31. You are not!

If you were, you wouldn't have googled it!

:loveya:

[Toucano]

32. The fact that the "virtue" loving Santorum

took the bet is enough for me!

What a perfect boob!

[Chicago Democrat]

16. weak as water...

I like the Brits.

"So how do you like the monikor 'Senator Man on Dog Santorum'? Does this make you proud?" that's what a BBC interviewer would have said.

[NativeTexan]

23. Such a hypocrit!

Mark my word..someday Rick Santorum is going to be found to be a pedophile....he just has that look about him, and all the BS he continues to spew.....My Daddy always said "the guilty dog always barks first"!!

http://truthfromtheamericanmiddle.blogspot.com/

[loftycity]

25. Total in-the-closet fraud..Points fingers at everyone

so they stay off him. Nothing worse than attacking your own to protect yourself. It's so obivious and in your face, that is the sickening part. Everyone knows a classic bait and switch. I hope they catch him in the act and his whole sham goes down. Maybe one of his aides will out him..
He is the worst one of all..

[Solar]

27. any videos or transcripts?

I'm dieing to Jon rip him a new one!

[Ian David]

30. Here you go... Santorum on The Daily Show

Cross-posted from:
Daily Show with Jon Stewart Group Forum
Follow-up: Santorum's appearance on The Daily Show July 25, 2005
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=303&topic_id=221&mesg_id=221

Video:
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/cat_daily_show_video.html

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