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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:12 AM
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Greenland is Melting
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/greenhouse-effect-is-melting-g

Going, Going, Gone?
Greenhouse Effect is Melting Greenland
July 21, 2005

Greenland — In a stunning discovery aboard the Greenpeace ship Arctic Sunrise yesterday, scientists found new evidence that Greenland’s glaciers are melting at an unprecedented rate. Global warming is no longer on the horizon, it has arrived at our doorstep, and if you live in a coastal city, that’s not just a figure of speech.

That’s because Greenland’s massive ice sheet locks up more than six percent of the world’s fresh water supply, and it is melting much faster than expected. If Greenland were to melt fully, it would cause sea levels around the globe to rise by nearly 20 feet. Even measurements of four to five feet of sea level rise could mean that cities like New York, Miami and Boston will experience flooding in low lying areas and increased threat of storm surge from hurricanes. More than 70 percent of the world's population lives on flat coastal plains, and 11 of the world's 15 largest cities are on the coast or bays and estuaries.

The Arctic Sunrise arrived in Greenland at the end of June, with scientists from around the world onboard. The ship and its crew have been documenting and measuring the impacts of global warming. Yesterday’s’ scientific discovery adds further proof that Greenland’s glaciers are melting far more rapidly than previously believed. All current scientific forecasts for global warming had assumed slower rates of melting from the Greenland ice sheet. This new evidence reveals that the threat of global warming is much greater and more urgent than previously believed.

In addition to the increased speed of the glacier, scientists from the University of Maine found that the Kangerdlussuaq glacier has receded more than three miles since 2001. Measurements from glaciers across Greenland are providing startling new evidence of thinning, causing the glaciers to speed up and decrease in overall mass, intensifying the flow of ice into the ocean.

Kangerdlussuaq glacier alone contains enough ice to fill the Great Lakes four times if it melts completely.

“The alarm is now deafening. We can’t stand back and watch our future go under, literally,” said Melanie Duchin, Greenpeace campaigner onboard the Arctic Sunrise. “We must stop generating global warming pollution."

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http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=56&ItemID=8377

Faced With This Crisis

by George . Monbiot
July 26, 2005

One day we will look back on the effort to deny the effects of climate change as we now look back on the work of Trofim Lysenko.

Lysenko was a Soviet agronomist who insisted that the entire canon of genetics was wrong. There was no limit to an organism's ability to adapt to changing environments. If cultivated correctly, crops could do anything the Soviet leadership wanted them to do. Wheat, for example, if grown in the right conditions, could be made to produce rye.

Because he was able to mobilise enthusiasm among the peasants for collectivisation, and could present Stalin with a Soviet scientific programme, Lysenko's hogwash became state policy. He was made director of the Institute of Genetics and president of the Lenin Academy of Agricultural Sciences. He used his position to outlaw conventional genetics, strip its practititioners of their positions and have some of them arrested and even killed. Lysenkoism, which governed state science from the late 1930s until the early 1960s, helped to wreck Soviet agriculture.

No one is yet being sent to the Guantanamo gulag for producing the wrong results. But the denial of climate science in the United States bears some of the marks of Lysenkoism. It is, for example, state-sponsored. Last month, the New York Times revealed that Philip Cooney, a lawyer with no scientific training, had been imported into the White House from the American Petroleum Institute, to control the presentation of climate science.(1) He edited scientific reports, striking out evidence that glaciers were retreating and inserting phrases suggesting that there was serious scientific doubt about climate change.(2) Working with the Exxon-sponsored PR man Myron Ebell, he lobbied successfully for the sacking of the head of the Environmental Protection Agency, who had refused to accept the official line.(3)
..more..
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:19 AM
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1. New Orleans will go first
It's already marshy and at sea level, in the short term the great lakes and the mississippi will rise too then diminish as the global water crisis fully kicks in. Glaciers here in Canada have been melting at an accelerated rate too.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:46 AM
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4. A sinful city. Neocons won't care. Maybe they should become the new
Las Vegas. They're an even more sinful city and are chokc full of gambling machines...
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:46 AM
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41. the problem is avalanching
much to the fear of myself and many scientists that this problem could easily cascade unpredictably and overwhelm low lying areas
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:31 PM
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50. Bangladesh is toast, I fear. nt
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:35 AM
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2. Memo to BushCo Cabal: Pull your head out of
whatever ass it is in (since Jeff Gannon isn't around anymore), and show some leadership and vision. For once.
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:56 AM
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8. Good luck.
Might as well wish for money falling from the sky.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:53 AM
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12. I cringe to think
of what their 'vision' really is.

my vision of them is of Orcs plundering and destroying all that is healthy and beautiful
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:44 AM
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3. The weather seems more intense, violent even
It's not just sea-level rise. Weather seems to be changing globally, as a result.

More intense drought, floods, storms, etc. Almost every thunderstorm we've had this year were hailstorms.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:47 AM
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5. Part of the Gaia theory, perhaps? Humanity is now seen as a rampant virus
and mommy Earth is about to settle the score.

Take us all, it's the only fair way.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:53 AM
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6. Earth has a fever...
Be preprared to be burned out of existence.

130 degrees F in Death Valley
97 degrees F inside the Arctic Circle

Above 110 degrees F is not livable without some protection from the heat. The human body can not evacuate heat effectively and you slowly burn to death.

It's been in the high 90s for over three weeks straight in New England.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:35 PM
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51. Reminds me of a SciFi short story I read years ago .......................
the woman in it finds herself in a freezing world knocked out of its orbit by an asteroid, then wakes up from what has been a dream to find she has a fever and is in the hospital because the earth is actually burning up, knocked out of its orbit by some asteroid.

Anybody remember this? Title?? Author??
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:52 PM
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60. That sounds like a typical Harlan Ellison twisted ending
but I haven't read it.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:18 PM
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63. Could be him, I have read and liked his stuff
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:28 PM
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64. The last man on Earth sat alone in a room. There was a knock at the door.
'The Beast that Shouted Love at the Heart of the World'
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:10 PM
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62. There was a Twilight Zone episode like that
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 11:11 PM by BeHereNow
A young woman is in an apartment in New York, I think.
The sun is burning up the planet.
At the end, she wakes up from a terrible
fever to discover the opposite is true,
the world is freezing over due to
some disaster- can't remember all of it, but
it is one of my Twilight Zone faves.
BHN
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:54 AM
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7. Seems more than theory.
The Earth seems on the verge of shaking off humanity like so many fleas.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:03 AM
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38. Nah, just basic chaos theory at work,
or "complexity", as it is called these days.

In essence: any dynamic system has multiple (semi-)stable states. When parameters of the components of the system change enough, the current stable state can not be maintained and the system will 'search' for new stable state. While going from one stable state to another, the system behaves more dynamically then it does when it is in a stable state. "More dynamically" in the context of climate means freak weather.
Systems often do naturally alternate between two or more stable states, see previous ice ages. It doesn't really matter whether or not this time it is caused by human activity. Gaia couldn't care less, it is human civilization that will be affected.
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:00 PM
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61. Assuming Gaia is willful.
I, for one, have never assumed that.

Chaos is simply a dynamic of the Gaia principle.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:59 AM
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9. "has receded more than three miles since 2001"
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 09:59 AM by Toots
That is eleven feet a day every day and escalating. Maybe Bush* will find oil under all that ice. :crazy:
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:59 AM
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10. "Aw...that's just fuzzy science. Besides....Crawford ain't gonna flood."
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:10 PM
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16. Fuzzy science? Facts aren't fuzzy until they're spun.
It amazes me how out-of-touch many people are with the pulse of the planet.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:32 PM
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29. But they do have a chance for tornadoes
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:33 PM
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30. We also know entire villages in Alsaka are being relocated
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rabbit2484 Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:52 PM
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33. Do you have any links rumpel?
I believe you and would like to read more about this.
Couldn't find much on google. thanks
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:32 AM
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39. Sorry, did not see your post until now. LATimes 10/28/04
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 11:34 AM by rumpel
COLUMN ONE; Can One Man Turn the Tide?; As erosion eats away at tiny Newtok, Alaska, the relocation of its Yupik Eskimo villagers and their homes has fallen to the local grocer.;
Tomas Alex Tizon. Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.: Oct 28, 2004. pg. A.1

Subjects: Relocation, Native North Americans, Soil erosion, Towns
Locations: Alaska
Document types: News
Dateline: NEWTOK, Alaska
Section: Main News; Part A; National Desk
ISSN/ISBN: 04583035
Text Word Count 2114
Document URL:

The Newtoks, whose ancestors called themselves Qaluyaarmiut, or "dip net people," have occupied this region for at least 2,000 years. The people here know about moving. At least the older ones. Like all traditional Yupik Eskimos, the Newtoks were nomadic until the 20th century, although they confined their travels to campsites on and around Nelson Island and along the Ninglick.

He communicates with a large ...

unfortunately it is already in thearchives and has be purchased

I see if there is more on other sites

on edit found one

http://www.unknownnews.org/0506140609Shishmaref.html
http://www.unknownnews.org/0506140609Shishmaref.html
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rabbit2484 Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:36 PM
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47. Thanks Rump
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:14 PM
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49. any time
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:31 AM
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54. All I can say to that is Kick nt
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:14 AM
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11. Global warming is no longer on the horizon, it has arrived at our doorstep
James Hanson (sp) a NASA scientist made a very similar statement to Congress in 1988. The reagan Adminsitration then cut the funding to his group at NASA - the expected result of his honesty.

Globl Warming has been a reality for a long time. It's amazing that we still elect idiot administrationss that pretend it isn't.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:57 PM
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19. the George Monbiot article in the OP
addresses the absurdity quite well I thought.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:02 PM
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13. a couple hundred years from now,
the scant survivors of humanity will look back and wonder what the hell people were thinking in the nineteenth through twenty-first centuries. And they will marvel at the corpse-filled remains of our bloated cities (the ones that aren't under water), and the rusting detritus of the former oil/car culture, and shake their heads in amazement.

Then they'll go back to scratching in the polluted, barely arable soil trying to grow enough food to get through the winter....
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:04 PM
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14. A very scary but very likely vision of the future
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:08 PM
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15. Bill Joy gives the human race 50 years.
It's beginning to seem generous.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:17 PM
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26. Did you ever read "Why The Future Doesn't Need Us"?
He wrote it for Wired, and it's one of the most interesting articles I've ever seen.
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:31 PM
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28. Yes
indeed
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:40 PM
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17. kick
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:37 PM
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52. Forget global warming, the SKY is FALLING!
We're all DOOMED! The END IS NEAR!

You may not even make it to the next click!
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:45 AM
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56. I wonder if you'll be so glib
when it catches up to you?
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:55 AM
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57. hmm...unless this poster is serious, and knows something we don't
we are overdue for a mass-extinction event level asteroid strike, after all. ;-)

But really...it's not just global warming, but a whole lot of other chickens coming home to roost at the same time. I think there are certainly steps we as a species can take to mitigate the damage, but it's going to take a whole lot more solidarity than we, again as a species, have so far proven ourselves capable of. And it's going to require that people understand the nature and severity of what's heading our way (probably involving disastrous economic factors more than ecological ones for most of us in the immediate future).

A change of lifestyle is coming (relatively) soon for us all, whether we like it or not, so we might as well do what we can to get ready...
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:02 PM
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58. We are spiralling toward a full-blown global coping scenario
that will reach into the loftiest ivory towers.

Anyone who can't see it coming is blind or lying to self.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:56 PM
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18. Mother Nature fights back.. This could be her answer to overpopulation
and Global Warming:(.. Can you imagine the "toxic soup" that will dump into the seas, though:scared:. There's a LOT of pretty scary stuff being produced/transported on all coastlines:(
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:16 PM
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24. I Keep Pondering That Possibility
"Mother Nature fights back.. This could be her answer to overpopulation"

...exactly
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:09 PM
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20. Send in Michael Creighton
Our novelist bullshitters can sort them out. All he has to do is blow
a gust of air and his bullshit will freeze a glacier twice the
size of greenland...
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:13 PM
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22. LOL
quite an image! :-)

(& I hope his air conditioner melts down first)
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:37 PM
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31. heheeeeee that's funny
how's the weather in Scotland, sweetheart?
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 06:43 AM
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35. cool and cold
It's been in the 60's/70's.. no warmer, no colder. This is a coastal
area, so its rather temperate in that sense, at 58.5 degrees, the days
are still pretty long with sunsets around 10pm.

It's very wet here, but that is the nature of living in the world's
largest peet bog... it wouldn't be a peet bog if it were dry, as the
constant groundwater stops things from rotting, and fosters the ground
sphygum moss that makes the peet.

Funnily, the next land fall off the north coast here is greenland/norway/russia depending on how you point... and it does not
"seem" warmer, though i hear the winters used to be colder, as it seems
the general tale around the world... urban heat islands and all.

:-)
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 02:14 PM
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43. I fear it will get colder
With the Gulf Stream shutting down to Greenland melting etc, I fear you are in for some wicked winters soon.

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 03:30 PM
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45. I'm planning on it.
In new construction work, i'm specifying 2-times the required insulation
by scottish code. I've been in houses high in the rockys so well
insulated that they were heated by the light bulbs... and there's no
reason the same won't work here.

Frankly, i put the likelihood of nuclear war higher than the gulf
stream shutting down. And in both cases, i'll end up heating with
peet moss... its only work, and human beings survive much colder if
they are prepared.

The worst here is actually the winds... they are regularly over 100mph
and structures are designed to handle that... if the winds started
getting towards 200mph, some structures would not be stable, and would
need a design re-think. yes.

I can handle any weather provided i've a democracy over my head. :-)
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 03:59 PM
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46. The stream is shutting down as we speak.
It hasn't come to a complete halt yet, but there are only a few columns (chimneys) of falling NAtlantic water left to drive it. They won't be active much longer at the current rate of desalinization.

You'll be able to walk to France before you know it.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:39 PM
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53. High winds??? Think: earth berms nt
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:39 AM
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55. That's been my thinking, lately
Do you have any links to interesting designs?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:38 PM
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59. Nope, sorry, I just know in general ABOUT earth berms.
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 02:12 PM
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42. delete
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 02:15 PM by Zorbuddha
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:11 PM
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21. These headlines just in:
Lowest June Arctic Sea Ice Extent Ever Recorded - AFP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x27606

At Least 99 Killed In Heaviest Indian Rains Ever Seen - Mumbai Shuts Down
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x27608

Iberian Drought Could Last For Years - Spain's Gov. Proceeding Accordingly
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x27608

Amazon Basin Rivers Cycling CO2 Much More Rapidly Than Previously Thought
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x27602

Energy Bill Boosts Coal, Gas Subsidies, Cuts Conservation Funding
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x27603

US, Aus, China Et. Al. To Sign Double Secret Probation Climate Agreement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x27604

And these are just me in the last half hour.

Have a nice day!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:15 PM
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23. Hatrack
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 09:23 PM by G_j
though this is so very frightening, :yourock:

I should visit the Environment forum more often
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:16 PM
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25. Come on over! The headlines are scary, but the people are nice!
:hi: :toast:
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RONSTOO Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:34 PM
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34. hey hatrack
can you tell me where the environment forum is? cant find it
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:45 AM
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36. Not Hatrack but ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=115

or navigate Latest / Greatest / Politics & Issues / Environment & Energy
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RONSTOO Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:10 PM
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48. where is the Environment forum ?
anyone know ... I cant find it
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:49 PM
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32. Hey Hatrack!
How's it goin? :hi:

Have you seen this?


You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

http://www.venganza.org/

Of course this proves we just need more pirates to solve this global warming problem.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:25 PM
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27. "Where's my realtor, damnit?"
"Yes, that's right. A-r-a-r-a-t. The closer to the top the better."

Slam!

"Home Depot Lumber Department, please. Yes, that's right. C-u-b-i-t."

Slam!

"Bill's Pets? Yes, that's right. T-s-e-t-s-e..."
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:01 AM
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37. According to some interesting modeling and theories,
All of this global warming is actually going to lead to another Ice Age. A brief sketch of the theory goes like this: Artic, Greenland and other nearby ice sheets and glaciers melt, dropping in an extraordinary amount of fresh water into the Gulf Stream. This downturn in current salinity prevents the Gulf Stream from dropping back down to the bottom in the North Atlantic, thus stopping the conveyor effect of the Gulf Stream. No Gulf Stream, no temperate weather for England and NE Europe. Temperatures and weather conditions revert to those found in Alaska. New Ice Age starts to form world wide. And this could all go down in a matter of years. The salinity level of the Gulf Stream is already dropping, thus it seems only a matter of time before we all become much colder.

Here's a link to an article going through all of the frightening details<http://www.wunderground.com/education/abruptclimate.asp>
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 02:18 PM
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44. It's happening
It seems counter-intuitive with all the global warming, until you study it. Never before have CO2 levels been this high that an ice-age didn't result. And it happens FAST, in as little time as one or two decades.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:41 AM
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40. KICK
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