For the first time it is clear...crystal clear

[Horse with no Name]

I saw it mentioned yesterday, in fact, I had posted it and withdrew the statement.
But I feel that the scenario that is playing out IS something that was begun long ago.
These people aren't even pretending to hide their hubris anymore.
Rules are out the window. They don't want to show us something? No problem. New rule...we ain't going to show you.
You wanna complain? Who ya gonna complain to?
We OWN the voting machines, we OWN the software, we OWN the people.
Things will never be the same again. Never.
I'm not even so sure that all the scandals coming to the surface is even an accident...but more of a slap in the face...because THEY can.
THEY want us to see their unmitigated and unchecked power.
THEY want a reason to shoot us or to haul us off to Gitmo. THEY need some examples.
It is officially "us vs. them".
I'd like to believe that good guy always wins, but every day I wake up and there is more.
I just don't know where we are headed...but one thing for certain, it is dark.

[peace frog]

1. Bingo

[Obamarama]

2. I take it you listened to the Indira Singh interviews?

What a mind fuck those were. A word of advice to anyone who hasn't heard them yet: don't listen to them before going to bed.

[Horse with no Name]

5. I almost wished I hadn't

The knowledge is too overwhelming and it's had me terrified since.

[Obamarama]

13. I'm not feeling so much terrified as completely, utterly impotent.

Part of you is forced to say "this can't possibly be true"; "she's missing some facts"; "there's no way this could happen".

Then the other part kicks in and slaps the part of you trying to rationalize what you just heard squarely and painfully across the face.

And then it starts connecting the dots. It all begins to make a little more sense.

So, you say, if it is true...even just a little bit....then we have to fight to reclaim our country, our democracy, our government.

And then you realize how silly that notion is. How can we defeat something so HUGE? At least without getting crushed.

This morning I find myself struggling with saying "Okay...if even a PORTION of this is true, we're toast. What's the point of even trying to make things right. Focus on my immediate life and my immediate needs, do what I need to do for myself. Screw everyone else because we're in the same boat and we're all going to eventually drown."

My grandparents emigrated here from France in 1939. My grandfather was a rabbi and also taught in Paris. He saw what was coming and got his family out before the noose of Hitler was tightened around their's and Europe's necks. This lesson is not lost on me, especially when my mother, who experienced this as a young adult, draws comparisons between what was happening then and what is happening now. But, fleeing to other countries woudl be futile, according to Singh. That's how wide this net is apparently cast.


Is it all true? Are bits and pieces true? I don't know. My only prayer this morning is "Please let Indira Singh be wrong."

[Eloriel]

28. It's true

but the REALLY mind-blowing thing (to me) is that all of what she spoke about in that lengthy transcript is just one small sliver -- a pie wedge -- of the whole picture.

And yes, it's global.

What I've said before, and I'll repeat it again is that we lost control when they got away with Kennedy's assassination (and we let that happen, but se were SO traumatized as a nation!), and the last time we REALLY had a chance to stop them (them = Bush Crime Family or some people prefer Bush Family Evil Empire and all their friends and allies) was Iran-Contra. It's all been downhill since then.

Look-- they got away not with the theft of ONE national election, but TWO. And as some really smart DUer said (whose name I wish I'd noted at the time): you don't steal an election to do good, do ya now?

We're so fucked.

And we have been for years.

And some people wonder why SOME of us are SO hyper-critical of those oafs and dingbats, cowards and simpering idjits supposedly "on our side" in Washington? :grr: Makes me mad just to THINK about their inaction -- and worse than that, their unwillingness to listen -- in the face of this crushing fascism descending over us.

And SOME people wonder why SOME of us are so energetically anti-DLC? You don't fight fascism by catering or caving to it! That's why.

I haven't lost hope, exactly, but at the same time my "hope" isn't centered in "the real world." I see nothing but real, honest-to-God miracles changing this particular set of circumstances. And miracles have happened in my lifetime: the Berlin Wall coming down was a miracle, and so was Mandela's release. But I see nothing in the normal, expected trajectory from this point that would lead to that, which is why I'd call what must happen for us not to devolve into a high-tech, fascist feudalist neo-Dark Ages, "miracles."

[Obamarama]

33. You usually nail things right on the head, Eloriel.

I've always enjoyed reading your thoughts, ideas and perspectives - usually because I think they are wise, well reasoned and pretty much dead-on.

That's why my heart sank just now.

[Horse with no Name]

38. Awesome post.

Very astute.

[Nite Owl]

8. Do you have a link

handy to them? I missed them.

[Horse with no Name]

10. Here are some links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4182589
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4182589
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x142316

[Nite Owl]

20. Thanks

I got some reading to do!

[brokensymmetry]

35. Thanks for the links. n/t

.

[Henny Penny]

11. yes... i made that mistake too...

still haven't quite recovered!

[nashville_brook]

23. i've been feeling the same way after listening.

still do. it's like seeing with new eyes.

[long_green]

29. what? what interviews?

what mind fuck? I wanna hear!
Seriously, to what do you refer?

[rman]

36. Indira Singh testimony and interviews

Testimony before the 9-11 Citizens Commission headed by Cynthia McKinney
http://911busters.com/911-Commission.html (audio and video)
- Indira Singh Sibel's Letter (testimony starts at about 10min.)
- Indira Singh and Ruppert Questions and Answers
http://www.justicefor911.org/September-Hearings.doc (transcript)



Interviews with Indira Singh
KPFA "Guns and Butter"
http://www.kpfa.org/archives/archives.php?id=13&limit=N
"Ground Zero 911, Blueprint For Terror, Part Two" July 20th 2005
http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=209.81.10.18&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20050720-Wed1400.mp3 (mp3)
"Ground Zero 911, Blueprint For Terror, Part One" April 27th 2005
http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=209.81.10.18&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20050427-Wed1400.mp3 (mp3)

transcript of part 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=142316

part one is mainly about Indira's background, part two contains most of 'the goods'

[Deja Q]

3. And it is always the darkest before the storm.

With * now paying Rove rather than doing what he said about wrongdoers in his cabinet way-back-when (firing their sorry asses), you know it's damn dark. With an ominous shade of teal...

[Griffy]

26. I think thats dark before dawn.. and calm before the storm.. :P nt

[XemaSab]

4. Grim, but well put

The ultimate tool they have is the media. Without the media the sheep will never see where they are being led.

[dogday]

6. And the whole time they are trying to frame us

as the angry party, the party that does not really want to be partisan. How can anyone support him until they get to know who he is? Just cause the shrub says it's ok, does not mean it is...

[Horse with no Name]

9. Exactly

It's a game of a bully taunting a much weaker kid.
When the weaker kid finally throws a punch...the bully runs back to his mama crying.
Then everyone has sympathy for the bully again.
It's a totally upside down world.

[checks-n-balances]

21. Not just bullying; it's an abusive stranger dressed as a family member

I agree with your analogy, but really,

It's psychological ABUSE right along with being taunted or threatened. And the denial of abuse makes the abused thing there's something wrong with THEM.

It's constitutional ABUSE.

It's and ABUSE of TRUST and TRUTH.

It's religious ABUSE (except of the right-wing "Christian" variety).

and

It's an ABUSE of power - a power that could be improving and enhancing life around the world, but that is being used for disruption and destruction of the physical, economic, judicial, educational, and political life of decent and innocent people all over this world.

To call these people "mafia dons" would only scratch the surface of their corruption and utter contempt for humanity.

God help us to try and turn all of this rightside up again.

[rman]

37. And society keeps responding as though the abuse will stop

when we give in to the abusers' demands, in spite of the fact that it fails every time we try.

[Nite Owl]

7. I know

it certainly seems that way. It's the dark before the dawn? or it's just dark?

[goclark]

16. I see it as a storm every day

It has been "the darkest" since the day of the election in 2000.

It just keeps raining.

I strive to be a positive person but it's hard in this situation.

This criminal crew never brings sunshine.

Now he is off to the Boy Scouts to try to recruit his official army of the future --- what shame!

[meganmonkey]

12. It can't last forever

It's true about hitting rock bottom before getting back into the light - I have to keep believing that this shall pass and a new enlightenment can occur.

What boggles my mind the most is that so many people seem so blind to how evil and dark and corrupt it all is...But once theie eyes are finally opened things WILL change.

I have to believe that. I will not give up.

:patriot:

[IndyOp]

15. Thanks, MM --

Guessing what might happen next is only useful if it energizes action - or, at least, useful emotional energy. What we expect to happen has a big influence on what does happen.

IMHO: We are *not* alone. We are *never* alone.

Also: See sig line #2...

[meganmonkey]

25. Exactly - if we give up, or 'resign' ourselves to defeat,

then there is ZERO chance of beating it.

If some of us try to fight it, we have at least a slim chance. And that's enough to keep me fighting.

Never Give Up.

[Mad_Dem_X]

39. Bravo! Good will ultimately triumph

over evil...once people start opening their eyes!

[gollygee]

14. I've felt this way ever since I watched

"The Hunting of the President" on DVD - a documentary about how the Republicans attacked Clinton and in the process took control of the media.

It is so depressing.

[barbaraann]

17. And Bill Clinton is hanging out with Bush Sr.

I find that terrifying.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. I always thought the 'good guys' were our Dems in office.

After hearing Indira, I now know that's not true. They are involved in this. They have to be involved for it to go as far as it has. I'm tired. VERY, VERY tired of the endless fight. It just never stops. Their SHIT never stops. I see only one way out of this. The PEOPLE, ALL of them, must wake up and wake up NOW.

[getmeouttahere]

19. Maybe we can't save this country...

but we can certainly do what we can to help the rest of the world...keep forwarding the messages with all the horrible things the neocons/theocrats do, some of it they get through their own media, some they don't, but almost all of it affects them too. Give to organizations that help children, the most vulnerable in this Hell on Earth brought on by BushCo...or how about women's reproductive rights worldwide, that's a good cause to fight for...perhaps the democracies that are under attack from BushCo because they happen to be socialist, they can use our help...already the Latin Americans appear to be showing some backbone in standing up to BushCo...there is still a lot we can do to help the world, if not the U.S. of Amnesia

www.handsoffvenezuela.org
www.34millionfriends.org

[shadowknows69]

31. and we can make sure democracy dies

on its feet not its knees

[AmBlue]

22. Operation American Driveways

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1957680

If you haven't seen this, then go look. I really believe this is the best we can do under the present circumstances. We've got to reach out to all the Americans out there that are frustrated and beat down and don't know what we know here at DU. The enlightened (or should I say "endarkened"??) should be educating those that aren't in the loop yet.

[Al-CIAda]

24. Where are the Dem 'leaders' on stolen democracy? We are allegedly

'fighting for freedom' yet we have had freedom and democracy STOLEN from from us by the very people who make such claims.

The MO never changes with these criminals. Everything is backwards, upside down, and reversed.

[VOX]

27. Halliburton is just one example of this. It's there for all to see.

War profiteering is criminal, and Halliburton has deep and very visible ties to the administration. Yet the company gets contract after contract, and its stock is soaring (proving that, once again, war *is* good for big business).

At any other time in history, the American people would never have stood for this kind of shit.

But now? The administration does not make the slightest effort to keep Halliburton's fattening-up under wraps. And does anyone care? Except on DU and some of the left blogs, apparently not.

:mad: :grr: :nuke:

[earth mom]

30. Your post send Chills Down My Spine...

why do I keep waiting for someone or something to save us?

[LibertyorDeath]

32. .

[Henny Penny]

34. Stop this defeatist talk, NOW!!!

We can do stuff. We can get the message out to as many people as possible.

The only reason they have been able to do as much as they have done, is that they have gone unnoticed. We need to find out exactly who they are and what their objectives are.

We need to avoid concepts like "they are a satanic cult trying to take over the world...". (Sorry spiritual DUers, but this type of thing is never going to be accepted by most people even if true).

We need to shine a clear logical very bright light on everything they do so that they are exposed and stopped from acting as freely as they have been doing. And the truthfulness and accuracy of our case cannot be denied.

We are wrong to think like the bullied child that we are alone. We are not. Many, many people suspect what we think we know! They just need evidence and lots of it, so when one piece is swept under the carpet, there is more, and more...

The good guys always win, because the good guys NEVER give up!