who are the 15 'democrats" who sold us out on CAFTA?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

and who among the republicans had the decency to join us?

[Kevin Spidel]

1. exactly! get me the damn list! time to take them out!

nonviolently of course!

[acmavm]

2. Anyone want to bet that Lieberman, Hillary, Nelson of Nebraska,

are three sure bets.

[Pam-Moby]

3. Yes, I do think you are correct. I have a feeling. n/t

[acmavm]

15. Man, I have to pay closer attention.

I just hate this mess though. And I hate it when dems are the ones killing us.

[DaveinMD]

5. this was a House vote n/m

[acmavm]

17. Yeah, not paying attention. Whatever. This stuff just upsets me so

much.

All the holdouts look to be from the south, except for PA and RI is it?? Those are the repubs.

Who's the lone dem holdout?

[Dr.Phool]

6. Yeah, but they're all Senators

Tonights action was in the house. I want Names!!!!!

[acmavm]

19. You and me both. Who's the one hold out dem? Has anyone said?

.

[burythehatchet]

7. What? I thought this is House Res 3045

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

8. as much as i loathe hillary, she voted against it last month

i have to give her credit for breaking with bill on that one

[acmavm]

22. Then I am truly apologetic for badmouthing her on this one. Now, if we

discuss the rest of her miserable record ...

[arcos]

9. Those are Senators, this was in the House...

and Hillary voted no on CAFTA in the Senate. Nelson voted yea, and Lieberman didn't vote.

[acmavm]

23. Lieberman didn't vote? Why not?

Nelson is such an ass. And I have said mea culpa over Hillary.

A month ago things were very out of control here. Very. But that is certainly no reason or excuse for not knowing what's going on.

But in a way I wish I didn't watch tonight.

[Fiona]

11. I'll take that bet...

say a thousand bucks?

[acmavm]

24. I'm lucky that a lot of people hurried up and told me how stupid I was

for being so mixed up.

Anyway, it sure wouldn't have been a grand.

[Fiona]

36. Heheh....

OK, I'll let you off this time.

Wanna play poker?

[acmavm]

42. Now that might be fun. When I was young, broke, and living in

Anchorage that's how I used to earn my laundry money.

[proud patriot]

12. those are Senators this vote is in the House

:hi:

[dajoki]

13. already passed in senate n/t

[acmavm]

14. You know, that was just pointed out to me and when I thought about

it I figured out that that was why I kept thinking the numbers were so nuts. I've been babysitting and kid with ADHD all night and between him, the chores, and running back and forth watching this I'm just totally screwed up.

A very senior moment.

[Cocoa]

25. I'll bet you a million dollars

you lose. Pay up.

[acmavm]

33. No, read the posts, I've already been set straight on this. But what

the hell, we'll all be using Monopoly money soon. I'll pay you tomorrow.

Heard who the 15 dems were yet????

[Cocoa]

35. you're from Nebraska

weren't you following how your Senator Nelson voted on this important issue?

Who is did your Congressperson and how did they vote tonight? Did you contact them?

[acmavm]

41. My frigging Congressman is Lee Terry Jr. A republican asswipe who's

as worthless as they come.

Ben, I always know how he's going to vote. Always. No matter what happens or how bad any action up for vote is for the American public, I know how he's gonna vote. I have stacks of letters from the guy. Most of them I didn't even open. The ones I did were so bullshit and evasive and ignorant I only open about every third or fourth one anymore. He's an ass.

[Lexingtonian]

4. all yer usual Blue Dogs, I bet n/t

[dsc]

10. I saw Moran speaking for it

so that is one. Trade is more a regional than a party issue. For example, unless someone changed votes, the entire NC delegation was against this. We are currently 7 to 6 Republican.

[spooky3]

20. There is a huge Central American community in Moran's district

He's probably heard from many of them about CAFTA.

link to explain why many CAs support it:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibd/20050727/bs_ibd_ibd/2005727issues

[EFerrari]

30. There's a huge Central American community here in

Nancy's district, and we're AGAINST it.

[LSK]

16. keep an eye on the cspan site, they usually have a link to congress

The results will be somewhere on the house website (house.gov). Cspan links to it.

[DaveinMD]

18. how about

we go after the over 180 Republicans who voted for this instead.

[wookie294]

21. I heard Marty Mehan (D-MA) has not voted yet

C-SPAN just said Rep. Marty Mehan is one of the 9 nonvoters. WTF? I would be floored if he is not voting or votes "yes."

[napi21]

27. IT OVER. Passed 217-215!

[wookie294]

40. Meehan voted against CAFTA

Just for the record!

[napi21]

26. Some idiot Dem from the district that has San Antonio & Laredo

Catillio or something like that was on cspan this morning pimping for CAFTA, so that's one of them!

[Cocoa]

28. how did Sheila Jackson-Lee vote?

she was undecided a short time ago.

[bvar22]

29. The DLC and their Corporate Sponsors do NOT require

that their members vote for Corporate legislation EVERY SINGLE TIME. They do require that ENOUGH members vote for it so that it is ensured passage. After that, the votes are irrelevant, and DLC members can cover their ass with a meaningless vote.

That way they can say "SEE. I votes against CAFTA. I'm for the people".

I DO want the list.

Here is the list in the Senate:
List of Democratic (?) Senators who SOLD OUT THE AMERICAN WORKER:

The "3rd Way Democrats"akaDLC, aka "New Democrats", aka Progressive Policy Institute HAVE found another way to get RICH...by selling out the Working Class of America. They will laugh about it over steak dinners at the RICH WHITE COUNTRY CLUBS with their Republican friends and owners.!!!

Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA proud member DLC

Ben Nelson, Democratic? Senator, NE proud member DLC

Bill Nelson, Democratic? Senator, FL proud member DLC

Maria Cantwell, Democratic? Senator, WA proud member DLC

Blanche Lincoln, Democratic? Senator, AR proud member DLC

Mark Pryor, Democratic? Senator, AR proud member DLC



DID NOT VOTE:
Joe Lieberman, Democratic? Senator, Israel proud member DLC



Two Democratic Senators who are not official members of DLC, but sold their vote anyway:

Ron Wyden, Democratic? Senator OR

Patty Murray, Democratic? Senator WA

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

31. Gil Gutknecht (R) of Montana voted with us

WASHINGTON - Rep. Gil Gutknecht said Wednesday evening that he will vote against the proposed Central American Free Trade Agreement, making him the only Republican from Minnesota to oppose the deal.

"Unfortunately, when you compare the upside and potential downside, I believe the agreement has three potential fatal flaws," Gutknecht said in a statement. "They are fixable, but they couldn't be fixed before this vote."

A vote was possible as early as Wednesday night.

Gutknecht, from Rochester, Minn., did not elaborate in his statement, and he declined an interview request. But in a constituent letter last week, he said there were problems in the deal for U.S. immigration policy, sovereignty and farm policy.

more:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1451997/posts

[longship]

32. Vote Results

Here are the links for the Senate Bill:

S. 1307 @ Thomas

S. 1307 Roll Call @ senate.gov

Here is the links to the House action:

HR 3045 @ Thomas

At this time, vote results for the latest House action not yet updated.

[Incitatus]

38. Dems

Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Not Voting
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

[Rose Siding]

34. And we kiss off the South one more time

If those fifteen could have crawled out of bed with their business cronies JUST long enough for blue collars in the South to hear that we're on their side, it could have made a real difference. :cry:

[LincolnMcGrath]

37. Not only southern Blue Collars

Many co-workers I have worked with here in the midwest see NO DIFFERENCE between the parties when it comes to worker issues.

[girl gone mad]

39. But we are on their side.

The majority of Dems voted against CAFTA. It passed because the majority of Republicans voted for it.

I'm willing to bet that Republicans would continue to easily win the South with "moral values" voters, even if every last Dem had voted against CAFTA.

[nicknameless]

43. Here's the info:

Roll Call:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll443.xml

And the list of the Dem scumbags, plus a good place for spleen-venting:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4208112