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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:22 PM
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the quickest way to kill the DLC (and the GOP): clean money
Without corporate money and big donors, the chamber of commerce whores in both parties would wither away and die like vampires in sunlight.

This is why they were scared shitless of Howard Dean. One of the campaign funding website did an analysis of who had the most small donors as a percentage of their pile, and in just raw numbers, and Howard dwarfed everyone in both parties.

Clean money requires candidates to get a certain number of small donations, then public funding kicks in. It's already been passed in a couple of states, but needs to be done nationally.

Check it out.

Only you can prevent Liebermans.

http://www.publicampaign.org/
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:26 PM
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1. good point. excellent point.
i saw the effect on dean. then kerry. then boxer. then dnc. yes, we the people take over with a lot of small donations.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:26 PM
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2. who said it?
...inside-the-Beltway pol who angrily shouted, "Russ, live in the real world," after U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., tried to explain why Democrats should embrace campaign finance reforms he had proposed.

It wasn't Lieberman.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:51 PM
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6. I give up, who?
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suigeneris Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:27 PM
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3. That's right, only individual contributions.
We could get the payoffs out of politics overnight.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:28 PM
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4. One of several essential reforms we need
Mandatory paper trails! End Gerrymandering of Districts (make them all big squares! Robot Butlers!

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:34 PM
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5. gerrymandering is best dealt with via election methods
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 01:35 PM by wli
There are election methods where gerrymandering has no effect on the outcome. This is called the "consistency criterion." IRV flunks this criterion. CSSD a.k.a. Schulze (Cloneproof Schwarz Sequential Dropping) a.k.a. "beatpath" passes the consistency criterion.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:51 PM
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7. give this nominations, so it gets some attention
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:56 PM
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8. another way to get around gerrymandering: proportional representation
have congressional candidates run statewide, or in a big state like CA, divide it into a couple of zones.

Parties would get a number of seats based on percentage of vote, and within a party, the candidates who got the least votes would be the ones kicked out of seats given to the opposing parties.

You could still have campaigning in districts since candidates from that area would have a better idea of what people there care about.

This would be good for Dems who live in GOP areas and vice versa too. Right now, a republican that lives in my town Santa Monica, probably doesn't even vote for his congressman because he doesn't have a snowball chance in hell of displacing Henry Waxman, but in a proportional system, his vote could make a difference. Same thing with a Democrat who lives in Cowpie in central California.

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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 02:29 PM
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10. that is useful for those cases, but not e.g. Presidential elections
What it boils down to is that the electoral college needs to be dumped and a spoiler-effect-proof, gerrymandering-proof method such as Schulze/CSSD or Ranked Pairs is needed.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:58 PM
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9. I read somewhere the dems are focussing on clean candidates
I agree, that's the way to go. Get rid of the crooks and phase out the corporate-owned dems.
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