Bush is done. I know it now.

[Jackpine Radical]

My belief doesn't arise because of the Fitzgerald investigation. Nor because of DSM, nor the bad poll numbers, although each of these things forms an essential part of the backdrop.

No, I know Bush is done because of the finger thing. Or, to be more precise, because of the press coverage of the finger thing. That finger (or thumb or pen or severed Clenis, but it sure looks like a middle finger) picture is the equivalent of that infamous video clip of Poppy puking at the Japanese state dinner. The press kept showing it over and over and over, just like they later did with the Dean Scream. When they do that to you, you're done. I knew Poppy was toast when the press wouldn't let up on the puke scene. Shortly thereafter they started hitting with other things like Clueless Poppy Meets the Price Scanner, but the Puke Scene was the defining moment. Somebody had decided to pull the plug on Poppy, and the press did the job on him.

Now it's Junior's turn. It begins with the finger.

Just watch.

[SharonAnn]

1. We can only hope.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. You could be right. But even so, it won't help us as far as policy making.

We got CAFTA, we're gonna get a horrendous energy bill, and there is so much more they want to shred.

** is king. King's can give you the finger if they want, and there's not a thing you can do about it.

[Jackpine Radical]

13. No, it probly won't help much with our greater travails.

On the other hand, it may be a start. Maybe there is a revolution going on in Bilderberg circles, and some other faction is rising to wrest control of the voting machines from Bushco to install la regime neuf. Maybe someone has decided that species survival would be a nice idea.

[FreedomAngel82]

21. Yep

Like said on the "Daily show" on their republican convention coverage "fuck you, what are you going to do about it?" as a theme for one night.

[lynettebro440]

3. I hope that you are right

because it seems like this slime ball just slides off of everything that tries to stick to him. I hope something finally starts taking them all down.

[NorCalDem]

14. welcome to DU!

[Jawja]

72. I just saw

the video and it was pen.

[kestrel91316]

80. May have been a pen, but the INTENT was the same as a finger

[Wish Upon A Star]

4. TV Airtime.

Has anyone actually seen the video played on news channels? The only place I seen the video is from clips of the Jay Leno show.

[northernsoul]

5. It's simple and its shocking

This is the kind of simple, visual moment even the dimmest mouth-breather can grasp. There'll probably be a few yobs who think B*sh is being cool for doing that, but it'll be interesting to hear what the breathless "whatever will be tell the children?" crowd have to say about their hero's utter lack of class.

[cloud75]

76. cover the eyes of the kids just like when janet's boob popped out.

[ScamUSA.Com]

6. nah.. this is only the third middle finger bush clip

personally I think it should have been a central theme to campaign videos...

"Americans are concerned about the economy."

<cut to Bush giving the finger>

"Americans are concerned about education."

<cut to Bush giving the finger>

"Americans are concerned with finding Osama"

<cut to Bush giving the finger>

etc

[Jackpine Radical]

22. The third finger, and the first one to get big-time coverage.

You're making my point for me.

[ScamUSA.Com]

29. so you're saying the coverage over a "pencil" is more compelling than this

[doodadem]

45. Woohoo baby!

Where's that picture from? That's not what we're talking about, is it? 'Cause that's certainly no pencil!

[SheepyMcSheepster]

54. i always thought that one pic was a photoshop?

do you have any information as to the origin of that top photo?

thanks

[bunny planet]

69. Send these to Olbermann. Are they photoshopped? Who cares, send them

anyway.

[FreedomAngel82]

25. That would be a nice campaign video for someone

If they have enough courage to run it without pissing off republicans too much.

[benburch]

7. Except, as Skinner ably pointed out, it was a PEN.

He had a pen or similar non-finger object clenched in his raised fist.

[Wish Upon A Star]

11. Pencil.

no text.

[GreenPartyVoter]

16. Welcome to DU *Wave*

[Wish Upon A Star]

28. Thank you.

If you don't mind me asking who is that man in your banner?

I have noticed quite a few members have that same banner and I'm here scratching my head trying to figure out who Andy is?

Please excuse my ignorance.

[GreenPartyVoter]

30. Andy Stephenson was an election reform fighter. You can read

a bit about what he thought about the election fraud situation and if you click on his name you can see his obit.

http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/Ballots.htm

[Richard Steele]

20. I'm starting to wonder. If it was a PEN, why are the usual lapdogs...

...not saying so?
The few who have commented seem to be accepting that it was his finger, and spinning from there.
Seems alot easier to just say "it was a pen, next question please."

[Jackpine Radical]

26. It doesn't matter what it was, Ben. It matters what the press

does with it.

[Poiuyt]

61. Millions of people saw Jay Leno telling us it was the finger

That's what people will remember.

[Straight Shooter]

46. Apparently not, though. White House issued a statement, it's his thumb.

It's on another thread of DU. I'm sure there's a link out there somewhere.

If the WH says it's a thumb, there's no damn way on earth that was his thumb. Therefore, it's his finger.

Too bad the WH didn't read DU this morning. They would have had an out. Problem is, if no one saw a pen in bush's right hand before he gave the frat boy salute, then they're still painted into a corner.

[benburch]

49. Hmmm... White House WOULD have said "Pen".

If it were not a finger.

You may be right. But damn he has a weirdly-articulated finger.

[bunny planet]

74. Even if it was a pen, it was definitely intended to look like flipping the

bird. He's really just messing with the press, maybe they'll really start messing with him soon.

I won't hold my breath.

[Stephanie]

8. It's emblematic of his attitude toward everything

FU, and Who Cares What You Think. He has displayed this ignorant, belligerant attitude over and over and over again. If this incident crystallizes it in people's minds, I don't care whether it's a pen or pretzel.

[KoKo]

9. What has Bush done....? I missed it...

Did he "flip the bird" to someone....what?

[Carni]

38. I missed it too!

I knew I shouldn't have gone to work today!

What's the scoop?

[Straight Shooter]

50. Here's the clip from the Jay Leno show

http://homepage.mac.com/onegoodmove/movies/bushflips.mov

[Blasphemer]

71. It really doesn't look like a middle finger to me (or a thumb)

If that's what it was, his anatomy is unusual. That said, if he's being mispotrayed, I'm not about to start feeling sorry for him considering the mischaracterizations that he and his cabal are responsible for. What is so amusing is that the White House can't even clear up something so trivial without raising doubts.

[donco6]

10. Definitely a sea change

And the clips on the news sites are called "Bush finger", not "Did Bush Flip Bird?" followed by lengthy analysis, explaining why he did NOT, and why even if he did, it was the best thing for the country.

[hippiegranny]

12. I'm not a praying woman

but I am praying you're right. Stick a fork in him already - he's been done for a hell of a long time, and is starting to stink.

[eleny]

15. He's such a narcissist

I've always gotten the impression that he likes to make people eat his crap and we must put up with him. That sort of arrogance is such a turn off to anyone but the fanatical sycophant.

[City Lights]

17. Are they showing it over and over?

I haven't seen it at all, other than the video that ran on Jay Leno.

[mzteris]

18. ok - what'd I miss?

The only "finger" i've seen is the one from when he was Gov - old news. Is there something new?

[FreedomAngel82]

19. I hope so

[Last Lemming]

23. Hey

I've somehow missed this particular brouhaha--can someone give a URL where I can seek knowledge?

[AllyCat]

36. Yeah , me too. I thought this was about the first middle finger episode

Now I find out there are more? Airplay? Really? Where?

Got a link or 5?

[Beetwasher]

24. Is This Getting Play? Really????

I'm cubed so I don't have access, but is this getting play on TV or only online?

[Jackpine Radical]

32. I haven't even seen a TV set in God knows how long, but

I gathered from other threads that it was getting coverage. Certainly it showed up on Leno last night.

[merh]

27. Was it poppy getting sick

Or the "read my lips, no new taxes" that did poppy in? :freak:

I hope & pray you are right. :bounce:

[Jackpine Radical]

31. It wasn't Poppy getting sick.

It was using the clip over and over that was significant. The scene was merely a convenient tool for a press that had been given the go-ahead to bring him down. Absent this film clip, they would have found something else.

Had Reagan done the same thing, there would have been a brief talking-head announcement that St. Ronald fell ill at a state function, and no film clip would have been shown.

[merh]

47. Oh, I follow now.

Thanks :hi:

[chaska]

33. LINK??? What are ya'll talking about?

[TXlib]

34. I guess that ruins his chances at a third term, then...

:evilgrin:

[Jackpine Radical]

42. I appreciate the spirit of your comment, but

seriously--if the press has the courage all of a sudden to put this kind of stuff out, it bodes ill for this criminal crew. First, yup-no "third term" via emergency suspension of the Constitution. Second, maybe there will be real coverage when the Plame case goes into open court this fall. Third, maybe (beginning in Ohio?) there could be an investigation of the '04 election theft in time for '06 to be more fair (and permitting a Dem sweep like the Pugs did in '94). Then...who knows? Impeachment?

[TXlib]

44. I think the media is playing it simply because

it's funny, and gets ratings.

They're whores, that's all.

[Jackpine Radical]

52. I disagree. They had plenty of opportunities to show the chimp

being...well...a chimp in the past, including other 1-finger salutes, but they didn't. This time they're going for it.

Remember, this White House is pretty unforgiving of press "misbehavior", so if the press starts down this trail they'd better be prepared to finish it. Half-measures are suicidal in this playpen.

[ToeBot]

55. Agreed,

It's not like his magic finger is going to spear his successor, this is wishful thinking.

[gollygee]

35. Not torture. Not election rigging. Not lying about why we're in Iraq.

Just a pen.

[trackfan]

37. You're right!

The details of the finger thing (whether or not it is a finger, pen, thumb, etc.) do not even matter. It is the fact of the coverage itself.

[KoKo]

39. GACK! Does someone have a link to what this is all about....Please!

Some of us have no idea...

[faithnotgreed]

41. koko - and everyone - bush raised his hand to the press yesterday

or his fist or whatever
and in his hand is a pen so when he raised his hand it looked like he was possibly lifting his middle finger to everyone
but with the pen in the picture it could have been that

so there is debate about did he give everyone the finger or was it the pen
last night jay leno reported it and said it was his middle finger
so now theres a brouhaha about it

hope that helps
i dont watch tv but ive read this much so far

and skinner has a long thread about it if you want to know more

[KoKo]

43. Thanks! I didn't see a Skinner thread...must have been last night and

I missed it. :hi:

[faithnotgreed]

53. youre very welcome

i know how these things go
theres all this discussion that happens while were away from the board and then have no idea what the big stir is about

from the photo that iconoclast posted it does look like the finger
fwiw
and i dont care but if its something they have to defend then im all for it being shown
because the "press" certainly havent held back when its dean or kerry etc etc

[CitrusLib]

40. I can google with the best of them, but I'm not finding a credible link.

Need help please.

[nolabels]

48. There are a few other clues also

But it does sound like the word has gone down and the sharks are circling. The tipping point is starting to happen

[dogday]

51. I just keep taking my medicine and waiting .........

[Jackpine Radical]

56. That Fukitol is good shit, innit?

[bunny planet]

77. You're only taking the 1000 mg.?

[Ladyhawk]

57. Even if it was a pen, can't we point out the other time he got caught

flipping the bird?



Or was this before he found Jebus?

[number6]

58. hope so

:crosses fingers:

[stepnw1f]

59. Now That CAFTA Has Been Passed...

they don't need him anymore. They got what they need.

[loudsue]

66. Hmmm. Good point.

:kick:

[Fescue4u]

60. It'll be like how Al Capone was brought down

Not over murder, bootlegging, theft, extortion etc...but over a minor tax issue.

Bush will go down because of a something simple like this...

[Stirk]

62. I understand what you're saying. You make a good point.

I think it's pretty obviously a thumb, so I was blown away that any media picked up the "story" at all. Even if it had been an obvious fliping of the bird, I would've been surprised at such media coverage.

Seems like everything just did a 180 about the time of the Rove revelations. It's very interesting- this sort of coverage would've been unthinkable just 2 years ago.

[CatWoman]

63. so, in essence you're saying

that Chimpy has jumped the shark?

I like it :think:

[Cha]

64. Interesting..since I don't watch

corporate news..I had no idea they were playing it over and over.

I just knew we were talking about it a lot on here, and to me it was symbolic of bush Flipping Off the public no matter what digit or apparatus he was extending.

[Al-CIAda]

65. They did 9/11. They STEAL elections!

They're only done when THEY SAY they are done....as the American idiots refuse to confront the truth, our 'leaders' are complicit or cowards.

[bunny planet]

67. Time to dig up that other picture of Jr. giving the finger (or is that one

I've seen posted around DU a photoshopped one?). That one's a lot clearer, and you know if a Dem had given the finger or just appeared to, the Repubes would've dug up any other finger photos they could find. Let's give the press some more fingers. Got to find that one and send it to Olbermann.:evilgrin:

[bunny planet]

68. Yes, you might be right. It might signal a change in how the press is now

willing to show him in a bad light, and openly mock him. Could be a signal of even bigger changes.

[LizW]

70. I think you might be right.

As you say, it doesn't matter now WHAT it is he's holding up. It's framed, baby. It's a dismissive, arrogant gesture made by a little pissant to a reporter trying to ask a question.

They could produce a legion of eye witnesses to say it's something else, but in the public mind, it's the bird.

:thumbsup:

[bunny planet]

79. Yes, it's the Fratboy President showing his true self.

[Catherine Vincent]

73. Press whores like Kinsolving, Hannity, Druudge, Rush, FAUX etc.

probably liked that finger. They'll probably dream about it tonight.

[Hardrada]

75. They would absolve Bush

were he to defecate on the flag. Which. of course, in a sense, he has!

[bunny planet]

78. Could the finger/pen be His Fraudulency's 'Dean scream'?

Lawdy I hope so.

[lateo]

81. Nope

I disagree...the Bush family is too powerful to fall.