Pelosi is pissed about the CAFTA defectors

[WilliamPitt]

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/10230-1.html

Pelosi Calls Steering Meeting to Review Defectors' Votes for CAFTA

By Erin P. Billings
Roll Call Staff

Thursday, Jul. 28; 02:49pm

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), angry that some of her own betrayed the party on a key trade vote, called a last-minute, Members-only meeting tonight to review the early-morning balloting and the reasoning behind defectors' votes.

Pelosi called for the special session of the Democratic Steering and Policy Committee at a private whip meeting this morning, during which she said she “had a sleepless night” over the Central American Free Trade Agreement vote that narrowly passed early in the morning. Sources in the room said Pelosi was furious at the outcome and the votes of some of the 15 Democrats — notably some in safe districts — who joined the Republicans to pass the bill.

“I’ve never seen her like that,” described one Democratic aide who attended the meeting.

While sources insisted Pelosi has not called for any retribution in the Democratic Caucus, she left open the likelihood that defectors' committee assignments would be reviewed at tonight’s meeting of the Steering Committee, which helps determine Members' placement on panels.

"There's going to be a lot of discussion at the meeting, however it's going to focus on a certain group of Members who have no explanation for their votes. That's what it's going to focus on," said a senior Democratic aide. “There are a handful of members who have explaining to do.”

Another leadership aide said, “there are Members who have questions” about why some of their colleagues voted for the bill, and they want a venue to discuss the outcome. This source said it was unclear whether Members’ committee assignments would be in peril.

“There are Members who don’t seem to have any sort of reason for voting the way they voted,” this aide said. “While other Members who have tougher districts made the tough decisions.”

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[CitrusLib]

1. At the risk of sounding cynical,

if you want to know why someone changed their vote, follow the money. :eyes:

[Imagine My Surprise]

28. that's not being cynical...that's being realistic

[tsuki]

47. I want to know about the unrecorded "nay" votes that Thom Hartmann

was talking about this morning. Diebold in the House??

[sunnystarr]

95. I thought so at first but looks to me

like the guy from NC is lying, faked his vote by going through the motions to cover his ass in his district.

The gal from VA was supposedly going to or from (from yesterday, but on C-Span this morning it was going to - neither makes sense) Boy Scout Jamboree which was 90 minutes away and got hung up in traffic and missed the vote.

Guess you can't use that "didn't record" line twice the same night so this was her story.

Both were expected NO votes, which if made, would have resulted in a tie and defeat of CAFTA.

I don't know if the 15 Dems would have made a difference if they voted NO. I think that the vote would have been kept open and enough Nay Rs would have been strongarmed to change their vote. The 15 minute vote lasted an hour, but would have lasted all night if needed to make the vote come out their way.

I see it all as a sickening display of abuse of power.

*edited to add left out word

[tsuki]

106. Rep. Charles Taylor claims that his vote was unrecorded at a

remote site.

[bribri16]

48. You can also "thank" the Labor defectors. We will rue the day.

The shit is really just hitting the fan. AND Halliburton is raking it in thanks to the Republican energy bill. If our Senators don't stop it, we can kiss our quality and standard of living goodbye. There will be two classes only. The super rich and the super stupid!

[barb162]

112. the super rich and the super starving

[Al-CIAda]

57. As it always is. Complicitors and coconspirators

in the dismantling and theft of America.

[Ladyhawk]

61. Seems pretty obvious to me.

Our DINOs don't work for we the people anymore.

[Donailin]

109. or the photos?

These people play hardball. Hastert has a midnight conversation with Hayes and wham he changes his vote. Could be money. Could be blackmail. Could be both.

[BlueWolff]

2. GET RID OF THEM NANCY

They are disgusting and deserve to be thrown out....Next election they will be voted out. This is how we have to be if we are ever going to take back our country for the people!

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Exactly

Find better democrats who are real democrats.

[Deja Q]

50. I agree!!

[Horse with no Name]

3. It's not what about what is right for America

It's what is right for their wallet.
Get rid of them. Now.
Our country needs to stop being up for sale to the highest bidder.

[Nickster]

4. I got one of those lovely defectors right here in my district.

I'll give you a hint, she's the only D in Illinois that voted for CAFTA. I'm so thoroughly disappointed in Melissa Bean. It's time to find an alternative in 06 for me.

[coffeenap]

23. Me too--called and emailed and told her staffer it was over for

us--we volunteered for her, gave money to her, got the word out for her, and it is OVER!!! If she is going to vote like Phil Crane, her predecessor, she might as well run as a republican. Let her count on them next time.

[Nickster]

25. Don't forget about Bill Scheurer....

I just sent him an email and asked if he was thinking about running again. I'm desperate to hear someone is going to run against her in the primaries.

[Ian David]

5. Damn! I didn't think she had it in her!

Sources said many Members and leaders are also concerned about alleged deal-making that ensued leading up to the vote. Pelosi told reporters the House floor turned into an episode of “Let’s Make a Deal” and that for days leading up to the vote Members had “offers made” to them

She even charged that ethics rules may have been broken, and that some Democratic Members who were approached may be considering filing a complaint.

“I think this has to stop, we have to stop this Republican rip off,” Pelosi said. “I find this shameful. I am very unhappy about how things turned out.”

<snip>

Several Democratic sources said Pelosi and other House leaders are particularly upset with New York Reps. Greg Meeks and Ed Towns, members of exclusive committees with safe seats, who voted for CAFTA.

<snip>

Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), the Senior Chief Deputy Minority Whip, privately told Members on Thursday morning that he was extremely disappointed in the vote, and made clear that Democratic votes should not be for sale. He said later he thought “some of my friends cast their votes for special interests.

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[aquart]

55. Are there men's room committees?

Any that meet in boiler rooms and discuss sweetener for Congressional teas?

Reassign them there.

NO MORE MR. NICE DEMOCRAT.

This vote was outrageous. Anyone who thinks his seat is that safe needs to find out about primaries.

[Beetwasher]

6. Target Them In The Primaries and get them OUT OF FUCKING CONGRESS

End of story.

[Disturbed]

13. She's "very unhappy".

Such strong language, eh?

[AllyCat]

83. Hey, at least she didn't flip them the bird n/t

[Nite Owl]

7. Why don't they have these

meetings BEFORE the votes? Little late now and this has been on the table for quite a while.

[davidwparker]

42. Collusion. Let's see what actually happens. DINOs and "I feel your

pain" has got to go.

[me b zola]

111. I bet they had their votes counted, that's what the whip does

But apparently there were some betrayals, and that is why Pelosi wants scalps.

Go get 'em Nancy!! Just remember, though, this is how we feel when *you* vote with the rethugs on issues that are important to us ;)

[necso]

8. Severe retribution is in order.

We might have been able to win this one, and betrayal under those circumstances is a matter of great weight.

[ecoalex]

18. Got to be DLC Dems

Another reason to purge the DLC Dems.

Until the Dem traitors , who are corporate stooges are removed, the Dems will be stabbed in the back every time.

[Tommymac]

73. At least 6 were DLC types...

per Sam on AAR's Majority report.

:grr:

[bvar22]

74. I count at least 9, probably 10. Here is my research:

Only 3 of the ANTI-Working Class Democrats are officially listed as "Official Members" on the DLC Public Roster, but if you do a little digging on DLC official Website, you will find that the DLC claims an ADDITIONAL 6 of the CADFTA traitors as members of the New Democrats (a wholly owned subsidiary of the DLC. In fact, they ARE the SAME.)
That makes 9 "official" members of the DLC who sold out the American Worker.
There is ONE more (Jim Cooper, TN) who is not mentioned as a "member" but is referenced enough to indicate support and ties with the DLC.
TWO more have 2 or less mentions and appear to have little to do with the DLC.



Here are the 3 that the DLC officially owns:

Gregory Meeks, U.S. Representative, NY
PatHenry Rating -10

Dennis Moore, U.S. Representative, KS
PatHenry Rating -20

Vic Snyder, United States Representative, AR
PatHenry rating 0





Some Democrats are "wising up" and have come to realize that official public ties to the DLC may NOT be such a good thing, and have not been listed on the "official" public membership roster. Here are the additional 6 that the DLC claim as members on the official DLC Website:

Rep. Jim Moran, Va
Listed in a Featured announcement on the DLC website as a New Leader of the New Democrats House Coalition for the 109th Congress
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253190&kaid=103&subid=110

Jim Moran was featured in articles ALL OVER the DLC Website.
87 separate mentions. This guy is dirty even if he isn’t listed as an “official” DLC member.
PatHenry Rating +2.5


Jim Matheson, Ut
Spotlighted in "New Dems of the Week"
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=2843&kaid=127&subid=176
Mentioned prominently and frequently on the official DLC Website.
PatHenry Rating -77.5



Rep John Tanner, TN
“Congressional New Democrats were clearly the decisive factor in the enactment of this legislation. In the House, Reps. Cal Dooley (D-CA), Bill Jefferson (D-LA) and John Tanner (D-TN) negotiated patiently and successfully, to develop a bill reflecting the New Democrat Coalition”
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=250758&kaid=131&subid=192

John Tanner was featured prominently in 16 separate articles on the DLC "official" website.
Pat Henry Rating –72.5



Ruben Hinojosa, Tx
Featured on this list of “New Democrat Leaders” is Ruben Hinojosa ,Tx
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=3785&kaid=106&subid=122
PatHenry Rating -92


Norman D. Dicks (D - WA).
"Led by three DLC stalwarts, Reps. Cal Dooley (CA), Jim Moran (VA), and Tim Roemer (IN), the New Democrat Coalition went public at a Capitol press conference on March 6. Their initial membership is impressive, including twelve members of the Class of 1996 -- probably the strongest freshman Democratic group since 1974 -- and such senior members as Reps. Bob Matsui (CA), Norm Dicks (WA), Charles Stenholm (TX), and John LaFalce (NY)."

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=2552&kaid=103&subid=110
PatHenry +20



Rep. William Jefferson, LA.
…”led in part by the efforts of New Democrat Coalition member Rep. William Jefferson.”

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=251108&kaid=103&subid=111
PatHenry Rating –35






The following 3 voted against the American Worker and Middle Class, but are Not mentioned as an "official" members of New Democrats,
but are referenced on the Official DLC Website:


Jim Cooper, TN
While I could’t find a reference to Jim Cooper as a “member” of the DLC/New Dem coalition, he is referenced over 10 times on the website in groups of DLC members, and as signing letters written by the DLC/PPI.
PatHenry –37.5


Edolphus Towns, NY
several mentions, but appears to have no working relationship or support for the DLC.
PatHenry Rating is +45 (?), which isn’t too bad.
Can anyone explain his vote?


Henry Cuellar (D - TX)
Only one reference on the DLC Website directly relating to support of CAFTA.
Not memtioned as a member.
PatHenry Rating WOW -155







The last 3 had No mentions on the DLC Website:

Rep. Solomon Ortiz, TX.
Could find NO mention on the DLC Website
PH –77.5



Rep. Ike Skelton, MO
Could fine NO mention on DLC Website
PatHenry Rating rating embarrassing -132


Rep Melissa Bean, Il
Could find NO mention on DLC Website
PatHenry Rating -100



*This SOLIDLY debunks the LIE that ONLY 3 CAFTA TRAITORS were members of the DLC. The evidenc from the OFFICIAL DLC Website PROVES that at least 9 are ACTIVE and PARTICIPATORY MEMBERS of the DLC!

* You will notice that I included PatrickHenry Ratings for each member. BEFORE you start screaming "Liberal Website" "Voting Records NOT Valid Indicators", take a look at what these seem to indicate.

The 3 who are NOT members of the DLC have embarrassingly abysmal PH Ratings generally somewhat BELOW members of the DLC. This may indicate that the DLC is NOT the absolute HARD RIGHT FRINGE of the Democratic Party. Maybe the LEFT should target these assholes before eliminating the DLC? (I can't believe I just said that).


*Edolphus Towns, NY has a PatHenry rating of +45, does NOT appear to have working ties with the DLC, and yet voted FOR CAFTA. Can anyone explain his vote?

[Tommymac]

75. Excellent!!!!!

I am archiving this for future reference!:yourock:

[bvar22]

76. Please spread it around.

You have more than my permission.
It is IMPORTANT that the propagandists at the DLC NOT get away with the BIG LIE that only 3 were DLC.


In fact, if you would go here and kick this thread, and maybe even nominate it, that would help spread the truth.
Thanks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1966479&mesg_id=1966479

[Tommymac]

79. Done! nt

[Carolab]

84. Take a CLOSE look at the Congressional Black Caucus and the Blue Dogs

Voting FOR the Bankruptcy bill AND against the "death tax"...

and now this...

Black Caucus Losing Cohesion

{snip}

The corporate Right has succeeded in establishing a “coalition of the willing” within the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), as shown by last week’s votes on bankruptcy and estate tax legislation. The defection of ten of 41 voting CBC members to the Republicans on bankruptcy, and eight on repeal of the estate tax signals that corporate-controlled membership in the CBC has reached critical mass, encouraging members who are not part of the Caucus’s conservative core group to betray their constituencies, as well. "The G.O.P. is practicing Robin Hood in reverse," said Rep. John Conyers Jr. (MI), after last week’s lopsided Democratic defeats. "Last night they repealed the estate tax, a gift to the wealthiest individuals in our society. Today they pushed through the special-interest bankruptcy bill, punishing the very poorest members of society.” But Conyers’ critique should apply with doubly damning effect to fellow Caucus members, including three who are also members of the Progressive Congressional Caucus but voted with Republicans on one or the other measure.

The growing rot in the CBC must be viewed in the context of massive corporate intervention in Black electoral politics, conceived in rightwing think tanks in the mid-90s and emerging full-blown in the 2002 election cycle, when Denise Majette (GA), David Scott (GA), and Artur Davis (AL) won congressional seats. That’s also the year when rightwing apprentice Cory Booker nearly captured City Hall in Newark, New Jersey. Although public attention has focused on the Bush administration’s faith-based bribes to woo Black preachers to the GOP, the far more dangerous prong of the offensive aims to subvert Black Democrats from within. Corporate funding and media support have been placed at the disposal of Black Democrats who “leave the reservation,” so to speak – i.e., those who reject, at least selectively, the historical Black Political Consensus. Barely three years after the corporate intervention was launched (see April 5, 2002), it is bearing strange, mutant fruit in the heartland of the Black polity. The looming dissolution of the Congressional Black Caucus as a cohesive political force seems well underway.

{snip}


In a dizzyingly short span of time, we have seen the Congressional Black Caucus’s near-unanimity on fundamental issues held dear by the vast majority of African Americans, crumble. This crisis in Black leadership is the result of a sea-change on the Right which –steeped historically in reflexive racism – only about a decade ago finally came to the realization that an alternative Black Democratic leadership might be created through the power of money. The awful crack in the Caucus is proof that the Right’s strategy is working – they are cutting through the CBC like butter, and that is only the most dramatic manifestation of the all-out assault on the Black Political Consensus.

It is not due to the charismatic force of their personalities that three of the Hard Core Four (Ford, Davis and Scott) are second, third and fourth, respectively, in corporate contributions (see Techpolitics.org), followed by Louisiana’s William Jefferson, supporter of the bankruptcy bill, estate tax repeal, and Bush’s Iraq War Powers.

{snip}

MUCH more...

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0422-20.htm

[sunnystarr]

98. Great research! Cueller touted benefits of CAFTA on C-Span

yesterday morning. In checking up on him I saw he's leaving Dem party and will stop pretending that he isn't an R. Next time he runs will be as an R.

[sunnystarr]

96. While Sam said 6 he only named 4.

I saw 4 mentioned in other places. I'd like to see a list that was accurate. I don't think the 2 in my state of TN are DLC. Doesn't matter tho, they gotta go.

[merbex]

9. At the risk of sounding stupid... why didn't she call a meeting

BEFORE the vote?

You know, stress that is is IMPORTANT,and that as a Party we have to be united on a few BASIC core values

and find out before hand who's with her on this

Because it seems to me she's locking the barn door AFTER the horse got out

[K-W]

15. They did call for that before the vote. That is why she is mad. EOM

[merbex]

20. Thanks. So,does that mean she thought she had all the dems on

board with her? And that some lied about their voteprior to casting it?

She should go after them tooth and nail.

[AngryAmish]

103. She made it clear that this was a manditory vote

if you fail to toe the line in a manditory vote, retribution is in order. All those who voted against it should lose ALL committee seats and get the shittiest offices.

[Tux]

81. At least

Now she knows who hates America. Maybe Dean can get involved and distance themselves from DLC or discredit them.

[converted_democrat]

10. Good, I hope she gives them hell..................n/t

[sandnsea]

11. Deals were offered

She's on CNN right now, the headline was "Democrats Told Of Deals Offered".

[proud patriot]

12. she's not the only one , I'm pissed too

:grr:

[cry baby]

She certainly sounded angry in her press briefing.

It was on C-SPAN 3 earlier. She said there would be no retribution, but she had bolts shooting out of her eyes for the dems that voted for the bill and the repubs with broken arms that caved.

[MelissaB]

14. She has a lot of pissed people on her side.

[Daphne08]

22. Most Americans, I would say!

[ibegurpard]

16. Excellent

Be sure to let her know you support her in this.

[ibegurpard]

27. Contact Pelosi and let her know you support her actions on this

http://www.house.gov/pelosi /

[converted_democrat]

52. I called!!! n/t

[catabryna]

17. GO NANCY!!!

I'm so glad to see someone up there who is as pissed off as I am!

"Here, I'll give you this bridge and expand this highway if you'll cave and vote for CAFTA"

Grrrrrrrrrr.........

[CAcyclist]

19. I'll Bet The Union break-Up Was A Wake-up Call

Good for Pelosi to be pissed. When Democrats support legislation like this, it makes me understand more why SEUI broke with the AFL-CIO.

[dogday]

21. Using Taxpayer Funds to Strong Arm Votes

That pretty much says it all..............

[Strawman]

24. Good

I find it hard to believe that there is much public support for CAFTA even in unsafe districts. These 15 who voted for CAFTA are inexcusable.

[AllyCat]

85. Did you hear Ed Schultz interview Jim Moran today?

Moran (D, I mean R, I mean DLC-Moron) was invited to explain why he voted for this. He offered some line of s*** about creating jobs for those poor people in the DR, and other CAFTA nations. He said it would create "new markets" here in the US. He even mentioned the Cheney talking point about how it would prevent illegal immigration to the US.

Ed made a plaintive plea to him to help us understand. Moran did not. Eddy held his feet to the fire and told him he had not made his case. He told him there was no reason they couldn't have put those jobs here in the US. The joint GDP of the nations involved was about the size of CT. What market would it create? What jobs would be created and where? Moran dodged the question. It was utter crap on Moran's side.

Had to cut off for a few minutes so I missed the rest of it. Anyone hear this?

OT--while we are all bashing the DLC (myself included)...isn't Pelosi DLC???

[sadiesworld]

92. Good for Schultz.

As for Pelosi, I think she needs to go (as whip). My feeling is that this is all a bit of Monday morning grandstanding for the rubes--that would be us. I wonder if CAFTA would have even been brought to the floor if they didn't have the votes lined up. Of course, I basically live wrapped in tin foil these days.

[Strawman]

102. So I take it he is also in favor of wage insurance

and other programs to ease the transition for those working families who lose in this deal and bear the entire cost, e.g the 50 year old manufacturing worker who loses his'her job right when the kids are headed to college and has to find work for half (or less) his/her previous wage at Walmart or Home Depot.

I think the cost would be something like $3-$4 billion a year. What's that buying us in Iraq right now? A few days worth of failure?

But I'm sure we could never afford that. :sarcasm:

If these deals really do maximize national wealth, I've got an idea. Spread it around, and maybe people will believe it.

[GoSolar]

104. Wish I could have heard this.

I'm in Moran's district. I helped him get elected because I thouhght, overall, he was pretty progressive.

I called his office to let them know how upset, and frankly shocked, I was at his CAFTA vote.

I certainly will not support Moran in the future.

[burythehatchet]

26. That's what you have to love about our democratic leaders

they really get pissed after the game is over. I expect them to be even more irate after 2006 eloection is stolen. After '08 is stolen they are going to be irate.

[mattclearing]

37. Sad how true that is.

Career Monday morning quarterbacks, the lot of them.

[Burried News]

29. We lost by two - pick out two and make their lives miserable.

Ask the ADL how it's done.

[sunnystarr]

101. Actually we lost by 1 ...

If you took one from the YAY and switched to the NAY the 217/215 would have been 216/216.

I realized tho that they would have never ended that 15 minute vote which at the time they closed the vote was an hour later. If there was a tie vote they would have made enough Rs switch their votes and I'm convinced they would threaten their very lives. That vote would have stayed open all night if needed.

Abuse of power is such an ugly thing to watch.

[jsamuel]

30. Right On!!!

[redqueen]

31. Just called to thank her.

I'm so disappointed... so very disappointed.

[King Coal]

32. Are you paying attention Bingaman? I am.

I hope you're toast.

[kentuck]

33. Why was this such a surprise?

Did they not know how the caucas was going to vote before the vote took place? Why do they have leaders if not to find out how they are going to vote as a Party? Sounds like someone should have known approximately how many votes we had before it was brought to the floor. Little late to say, "I had no idea"...

[ibegurpard]

34. Perhaps that explains why she was so angry?

People voting differently than they initially said they would? Heads need to roll for this and I hope she walks her talk.

[ulysses]

36. GOOD.

[seabeyond]

38. good for her. you go pelosi. find out why

and then share with us. i am just glad she is pissed and wants to know why

[davidwparker]

39. Go get 'em Nancy. I'm sick of the DINO.

I listen to Sanders on Tom Hartmann and he was believing CAFTA could be defeated. I watched the vote live on C-SPAN and was stunned. I called my repug congressman's office asking him to vote NO. I knew he would vote yes, but you have to do something.

More jobs gone.

[GOPisEvil]

40. Good. Then she should assist in finding primary challengers for them.

Let's REALLY hold their feet to the fire.

[RSchewe]

41. David Sirota ripped into them wolves-in-sheeps-clothing Dems today

http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/07/which-of-15-dem-sellouts-should-start.html">http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/07/which-of-15-dem-sellouts-should-start.html

Meeks is the one near me that needs to go. This list of 15 he posted go back to the Bankruptcy Bill and many others.

[Horse with no Name]

43. Our Texas defectors

Hinojosa--15th Congressional District (primarily Hispanic district--borders Mexico)
Cuellar--28th Congressional District (primarily Hispanic district--borders Mexico)
Ortiz--27th Congressional District (primarily Hispanic district--borders Mexico)--from his website "The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), on the whole, has brought more commerce to, and through, the 27th district, and subsequently brought jobs with that commerce. The Border area is the connection to the Maquiladora operations for many U. S. industries on the Mexican side of the border. "

In a nutshell from the three Texas defectors

[Shakespeare]

44. WWTDD?

What would Tom Delay do? Eviscerate, humiliate and punish anyone who dared step away from the party line. Until we start doing the same--at least for the short term--they're going to continue to beat us.

[BR_Parkway]

45. Jeez, 14 out of my red state's ReThugs even voted NO on this

one. They know it's cost textile jobs (we're in NC) and that they weren't going to be able to get away with carrying the Party's water locally.

Damn, I'm surrounded by Rethugs who I actually agreed with on something over the Dems who I thought I did. I hope she strips them of everything she can and helps find new folks for their primaries.

[In Truth We Trust]

64. there is not 14 repug reps from NC and Taylor (a repug) is one of two

who didn't vote. He should have to pay a very big price for that imo. To refuse to vote for that vile piece of legalized slumlording bill is trhe same as a vote for it.

[progressivebydesign]

46. My house member NORM DICKS was the swing vote!!!

I am beyond angry!

[eridani]

63. So, who do we have in your district to take him on?

We need a progressive farm team of local officeholders.

[windbreeze]

113. Norm Dicks

I sent the son of a gun an e mail and told him, he's FIRED!! That this wasn't the first vote from him that had me upset...but this WAS the last straw...I thanked him for the embarrassment reading his name on that list of defectors provided me...and a few choice other words...
windbreeze

[ElsewheresDaughter]

49. lost by just 2 fucking voteas!...2!!! fucking 2!!!! FIRE the TRAITORS

[Rainscents]

86. Actually, we lost by ONE fucking Vote!!! When there is tie, bill don't

pass.

[Voltaire99]

51. Democrats...united...will never be defeated! Democrats...united...

Heh; couldn't resist. ;-)

Pelosi may gnash her teeth all she wishes. Members may "have questions" about the sell-outs. Please. Can we stop pretending? Progressives who have long watched the party devolve into a corporate cesspool aren't surprised today, and we sure as hell aren't bedeviled by any "questions."

Because we know.

When the chips are down, a center-right Democrat is Bush's best friend.

[savemefromdumbya]

53. Perhaps the Democratic voters and precincts should write/call these ******

I often wonder about our members of Congress? Give them some earache!

[goodhue]

54. Which were the ones who have tougher districts!?

David Sirota breaks it down (hint: not many) . . .

http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/07/which-of-15-dem-sellouts-should-start.html

[lonestarnot]

56. I am so sick of the sell out! Rich get richer poor get poorer..no middle

class... It's over! Every dem that voted for this shit needs to go no matter their reasoning! They should just be over! Plain and simple OVER!

[ClintonTyree]

58. I want President Pelosi to get to the bottom of this..........

and fast. I say "President Pelosi" because she is showing me something I haven't seen in a Democrat in a long damned time. If she ever had Presidential aspirations, I'd follow her through the gates of hell to get her elected.

These dirty damned 'democrats' that sold out their constituents and their Country MUST GO! THERE IS NO ROOM IN OUR PARTY FOR THESE BACKSTABBING FUCKWADS ANYMORE! :grr:

Man, this pisses me off. If there is any proof that these scumbags made deals for any type of personal gain, I hope they're strung up from the Congressional rafters.

They better enjoy their largess now, because they're going to be without a damned job soon. SHIT, this pisses me off! :grr: :banghead: :grr:

[cascadiance]

82. Hopefully she will be President Pelosi sometime in 2006/2007!

after she helps a Dem majority impeach the two bums at the top of the heap then! Mike Malloy reminded us truthseekers of this possibility tonight!

Then she can REALLY kick some of these DickLess Corporatist DINOS in their rear ends!

[liberal N proud]

59. After last night - Does anyone still wonder why Democrats lose elections?

Democrats can't even stick up for a major portion of their base, Labor.
I don't wonder why, It just pisses me off and there is nothing I can do.
At least I know where my Congressman stood, he was openly campaigning against it.

[iwantmycountryback]

60. It's nice to see her getting pissed about this

Somebody needs to lay the hand down on these Democratic punks who are more interested in getting corporate $$ than actually doing the right thing for their constituents.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

62. I can understand that.

It being her JOB and all.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

65. Who Are the 15 Democrats?

I cannot find the names listed beyond the 5 DLC names listed by Sam Seder.

[FighttheFuture]

107. David Sirota had a good list of the 15 traitors...

http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/07/which-of-15-dem-sellouts-should-start.html


Melissa Bean (IL)
Jim Cooper (TN)
Henry Cuellar (TX)
Norm Dicks (WA)
Ruben Hinojosa (TX)
William Jefferson (LA)
Jim Matheson (UT)
Greg Meeks (NY)
Dennis Moore (KS)
Jim Moran (VA)
Solomon Ortiz (TX)
Ike Skelton (MO)
Vic Snyder (AR)
John Tanner (TN)
Ed Towns (NY)

He also correlates who voted for the Bankruptcy bill:


Bean, Cooper, Cuellar, Hinojosa, Jefferson, Matheson, Meeks, Moore, Moran, Ortiz, Skelton and Tanner.


And the bill to limit citizn rights and protect coporate abusers:

Bean, Cooper, Cuellar, Hinojosa, Matheson, Meeks, Moore, Moran and Tanner

[ck4829]

66. Fry 'em Nancy.

[European Socialist]

67. I'll say it for the 100th time....

If you won't fight over a stolen election-what will you fight for. So much for nice guy Democrats.

[Orion The Hunter]

68. RE: You go Nancy!

We share your outrage and hopefully those turncoats to our party will face their come-upance in the next election cycle.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

69. So am I...

It wouldn't have passed without those bought off dicks.

[Orion The Hunter]

70. Here are the Democrats who voted FOR CAFTA

Here are the Democrats who voted YES--and to whom no one should give another cent in campaign contributions:

Senate:

Bingaman, N.M.
Cantwell, Wash.
Carper, Del.
Feinstein, Calif.
Lincoln, Ark.
Murray, Wash.
Nelson, Fla.
Nelson, Neb.
Pryor, Ark.
Wyden, Ore.

House of Representatives:

Melissa Bean of Illinois
Jim Cooper of Tennessee
Henry Cuellar of Texas
Norm Dicks of Washington
Ruben Hinojosa of Texas
William Jefferson of Louisiana
Jim Matheson of Utah
Gregory Meeks of New York
Dennis Moore of Kansas
Jim Moran of Virginia
Solomon Ortiz of Texas
Ike Skelton of Missouri
Vic Snyder of Arkansas
John Tanner of Tennessee
Edolphus Towns of New York

P.S. -- It makes me proud that my reps in Maryland did the right thing!

[liberalpragmatist]

80. Even most DLC-ers opposed it

What was the deal with those who did?

[marions ghost]

100. And who were the ones who should have voted No

but didn't make it--which amounts to a Yes vote? (the cowards)

[AuntPatsy]

71. Im impressed, this is good to hear...

[hatrack]

72. Well, Nancy, if you're "very disappointed" in the outcome, DO SOMETHING

As in, yank committee assignments, demote people within party leadership hierarchies, and start working the levers to give these people opposition in their primary campaigns.

Otherwise, have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

It's just that simple. Do something, or shut the fuck up.

[derby378]

77. After Nancy continually disappointed me...

...she finally comes out and does something useful. It's a start!

[QC]

78. She should fund primary challengers for all 15 of the traitors...

and strip them of their committee assignments in the meantime.

Until she does that, I don't want to hear about how hurt and disappointed she is.

[DemBones DemBones]

87. Excellent points. The party needs to punish traitors if

it wants to prevent future treachery.

[bklyncowgirl]

89. Absolutely, put your money where your mouth is, Nancy.

And as for Hoyer, get with the damn program pal. The Republicans are doing a full court press, bringing the Chimp down to personally twist arms and you think you can get away with just casually calling a few undecided dems and sort of indicating which way the party would like them to vote.

The livelihood of thousands of Americans are on your heads.

Get serious, this is war.

[Greeby]

88. Yup

She's gonna be a mighty fine President :loveya:

[CWebster]

90. I don't believe her

You can't tell me that the entire thing isn't orchestrated--that the Dems know EXACTLY how everyone is voting before the count.

It is all set to allow some to vote against, to save their political hides, with the assurance that others, less concerned about their political security, will vote aye.

That way they can pass the bill. If they wanted a united front against it they could make the political careers of some very, very difficult.

[sadiesworld]

93. Yep.

That piece of crap bill would have never gotten to the floor if the votes weren't there. We're being played.

[GoSolar]

105. Wow.

I think you are right.

[bklyncowgirl]

91. I got an idea -- push the party line before the vote.

I'm pissed too, Nancy.

You are the House Minority Leader. You have to make these guys understand that if someone fails to toe the party line on these important votes that they will face the wrath of Pelosi--and maybe a primary challenger.

You can't get away with sort of pussyfooting around with this sort of thing, letting members in safe districts take the money and vote against the interests of their constituents.

This is war. The Republicans know it and have always known it. Next time, if there is a next time, don't get mad after the fact, give your own people hell.

[kodi]

94. pelosi's pissed? is she going to lose HER job over CAFTA?

all this is show for the stupid folk who think these well heeled clowns give a shit about the workers in this country.

anyone think that pelosi will ever go hungry? will have to decide on medicine or food because there is no money for both? she is a rich woman who is playing at being a leader.

she doesn't "feel the pain" of an average american, she reads about it in a god damn book.

pelosi was elected to lead the democrats in the House. she is an abject failure, fire her and put in someone who can deliver the goods. i dont care if it is a man or woman, but get someone in there who can galvanize the congressional democrats to act as one. it is clear pelosi is not up to the job. this vote and the banking vote should have awoken the average person to her incompetence.

pelosi can not do it. she does not know how to lead. all i ever see of her is a piss and moan attitude, and all the democrats ever do is lose on the issues voted upon.

every time i see her and hear her voice, i cringe and wonder how the democratic party has fallen so low that this, this worthless, addled-brained nitwit is the house leader for the democrats.

if pelosi had any integrity she would resign and let someone else lead the party in the House.

instead, guess what? she's calling for a "meeting" to find out what happened. as if she doesn't know already how it happened? the dems who voted for CAFTA had no fear of retribution from the democratic party for their vote. it had nothing to do with "conscience" it had everything to do with pork barrel politics, and the only way to stop that is cut off the hands of those democratic house members who reached for the pork the GOP offered for those votes.

this is very basic, politics 101, yet pelosi acts like she has her head up her ass about how a leader deals with this sort of crap.

[CWebster]

97. maybe she is doing her job

just not for us.

Its all political manuevering and show.

[Armstead]

99. She should do a bit of "Delaying" to those traitors

Delay uses blunt instruments to whip Republican reps into line.

Pelosi should at least take a little bit of that page from the Hammer's book, and make those turncoats regret their decision to side with Bush and the Multinationals over the interests of the people.

[democratic veteran]

108. Go get 'em

She should be pissed. Give 'em hell. Or better yet get them to pay my gas bill next year.........

[liberalismresurgent]

110. Nafta increased poverty in Mexico

Cafta, Nafta, same. The Mexican population living below the poverty line has increased since 1998, as we can see in this chart. (Source: CIA Source: CIA World Factbook).

link

[EST]

114. And well she should be.

It appears that Benedict is not just an appropriate name for a pope...
She refused to specify retribution, but made it very clear that the reporters were free to speculate.
I think it didn't occur to her that these erstwhile trustworthy folks would sell out so cheaply - especially the CBC's sacrificing their own constituency.
Shadows of ancient memories. How many souls did these heartless creatures betray to slavery and endless misery and pain? Don't need a plane to copy the rapepublicon model for rendering innocents to torture.
There aren't words capable of portraying the punishment those spineless opportunists deserve...

Edited for punctuation-

[Hidden Stillness]

115. Please Let it be True--That They Can't Ignore it Any More

I really hope that this whole horrible situation will become the crisis and turning point that finally forces Pelosi, Howard Dean and the DNC, and all the rest of the real, official leadership of the Party to face what has been done over all these many years now, by the DLC and their Republican friends, to the Democratic Party, and to realize now that all the work they had avoided doing, is here.

Really serious, threatening things are happening now, way beyond Bill Clinton fucking up the lives of poor and middle class people. Now, the very foundations of the modern, mixed economy, and even the people's government itself, are being dismantled, and the only things left will be huge, untouchable corporations. There will be government working only for corporations, media telling the stories and propaganda of only corporations, law for only corporations; there will be only a corporate perspective, anywhere. It is now getting scary, and when you realize the fact that Bush has lost millions of jobs since TAKING office, and produced not one net job--a seeming impossibility--and that this is fine with them, they are not suffering, then you know where they are going to make this lead to.

The Democratic Party has to get off of every single disastrous thing they have been doing for all these years, (many of which Dean has already started doing), and stop agreeing with Bush and Republicans, stop attacking "liberals," get off the DLC "Be Cautious: Don't Do Anything Republicans Might Not Like" orders, and relate to people--do something that answers the desperate need of poor and middle class people in this country, who are never responded to anymore. Get away from the damned Georgie Jerkoff School of Framing for Sheeple We Hate, and get back to the American people, who are way ahead of you. I hope this will make them restore the entire, bottom-to-top structure of the Democratic Party, as it was when it was great, before the corporate DLC killed it for its own uses.

I hope Pelosi is furious, and that the hierarchy of the Party gets to the bottom of why these people voted for this frightening bill. Keep this shit up, and we as a people, as a country, are not going to recover from it. We will become every corporation's dream--an entire world the Third World, a world full of slaves. The only hope is that somehow this latest disaster will finally make them respond--and NOT to tell us that "we all basically agree with President Bush, too."