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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:36 PM
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Raw Story: Bolton lied to Congress!
The ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Joe Biden (D-DE), accused Bush's UN nominee on deceiving Congress in a letter issued today to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, RAW STORY has learned.

Biden asserts he has discovered that Bush UN nominee John R. Bolton was interviewed by the State Department's Inspector General in relation to alleged Iraqi attempts to procure uranium from Niger.

This was not what Bolton told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in testimony to Congress. Biden asks that Rice tell the Senate whether information provided on the White House's nominee was inaccurate.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Biden_accuses_Bolton_of_providing_disingenuous_information_toSenate_on_interviews_over_Niger__0728.html
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:49 PM
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1. Bolton - another Republican liar
They have all become liars and propagandists.
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:43 PM
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14. become???
they never were truthful in the first place. I just wonder how much more I can take before I lose it. Eveery day is something. every fucking day.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:43 PM
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15. The word "republican" is becomming synonymous with "liar"
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 05:44 PM by Mr_Spock
What is wrong with these people - no integrity, no humility and these sick fucks have the nerve to call themselves Christians (Cretins?) :rofl:
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:08 PM
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24. Exactly, when do repukelickins ever tell the truth? Not in my 49 years
of life they haven`t.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:53 PM
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2. I wonder if THIS is the info Barbara Boxer was referring to yesterday??
Holy Moly! The lies just never stop!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:53 PM
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3. Yesterday
Bolton's office contacted MSNBC/NBC to ask that they "correct" their report that Bolton testified to the grand jury. Their message seemed oddly worded, and I think that it will be cause of extended controversy. Talking to Fitzgerald, like Cheney and Bush did, and not talking/testifying at all, are two different things. (Lying, however, is one consistent behavior from this White House.)
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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:54 PM
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4. I don't think they know what the truth is anymore. They have lied
and lied and lied and believed all their own lies, they don't even know what is true.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:00 PM
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5. Precisely.



Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:09 PM
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8. I think you are absolutely correct.
Repeat a lie often enough it becomes ingrained in the memory. I think a great number of them have progressed to dissociative states.
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:38 PM
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25. But also
they can't keep track of their lies. Hence more and more lies must come out as they continue to contradict themselves.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:00 PM
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6. Utterly shocking the accusation that any Repug would lie to the Congress:
let me count the contempt of Congress/perjury citations issued to those who have lied to the Congress in the past 54 months.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:04 PM
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7. I'm shocked! What will we tell the children? WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?
:sarcasm:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:48 PM
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16. I've already told my children that Bush lies...
I told my 7-year-old son Michael that Bush lies. He was visibly upset!

:cry: Little 7-year-old Michael upon learning his President lies...
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:12 PM
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9. Whats a little lie here and there when what we are really after
is a total dismantlement of the U.N.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:21 PM
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10. Watch all the Republicans rush to defend Bolton for lying
just wait for it...

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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:50 PM
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28. I am most interested in what Voinovich will say -- hope AP gets to him
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:21 PM
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11. The key question is, WHEN did Fitzgerald's people interview Bolton?
With this key question unresolved, it's likely we will be spared a highly controversial partisan recess appointment of an extreme reactionary warmongering ideologue to represent the US at the United Nations.

From http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/07/27/national/w143232D30.DTL :

"Rice Asked if Bolton Testified in Leak Case

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer

Thursday, July 28, 2005 05:18 PDT

WASHINGTON, (AP) -- ...

Part of the questionnaire Bolton filled out in March asked him whether he was "interviewed or asked to supply any information in connection with any administrative (including an inspector general), congressional or grand jury investigation within the past five years." "He indicated in his form that he had not," said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.

She said it is unclear whether Bolton lied on his questionnaire because senators do not know if he testified before or after he signed the document or at all.

The latest Democratic request to the administration for information about Bolton comes just two days before Congress is scheduled to leave Washington for a monthlong break. With the Senate out of session, Bush could sidestep Congress and install Bolton in the U.N. post on a temporary basis."
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:57 PM
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19. To answer my own question, it appears Bolton will be GONE very soon
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 06:16 PM by AirAmFan
Dubya nominated Bolton for the UN post on March 7, 2005. Apparently, during that same month, Bolton then filled out the questionnaire Senator Boxer mentioned.

The rawstory link in the OP has the Biden letter, which says, on Senate stationery, "then-Undersecretary of State John Bolton was interviewed on July 18, 2003 by the State Department Office of the Inspector General in connection with a joint State Department/CIA IG investigation related to the alleged Iraqi attempts to procure uranium from Niger".Since July 18 2003 is within five years of March 2005, Bolton DEFINITELY lied on his Disclosure Form.

IMHO, even Fox News would criticize a Bolton recess appointment now. But, just watch the WH and Frist try to "spin" Bolton's lie as a "technicality". After all, they'll say, it wasn't as if Bolton lied to a grand jury, or even to Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald. The Attorney General did not appoint Fitzgerald until December 2003--see, for example, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/24/AR2005072401058.html .
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:25 AM
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37. "Fox News would criticize a Bolton recess appointment"......
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Are we talking about same FUX News, owned by Rupert Murdoch? I hardly think they'd ever criticize the bush cabal for anything. It's carte blanch for the Rain Man as far as FUX News is concerned. He can do no wrong in their eyes.

Good laugh though! :rofl:
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:25 PM
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12. * still plans a recess appointment. Can that be blocked, invalidated?
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:27 PM
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13. OMG
Medal of Freedom coming right up :P
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:50 PM
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17. Will there be a press conference?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:53 PM
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18. It's getting hard to keep track of all of the lies
It's just a plague of lies.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 06:25 PM
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20. but another thread on DU says that Bush is going to recess appoint him
anyway. Can he do that if Bolton is proven to have lied in testimony and on a sworn form?

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:03 PM
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22. What's one more liar in this administration?
It must be in the oath of office.


"I solemnly swear to lie to the American people, and do it with a straight face."
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:26 AM
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40. Methinks that lying
is a job requirement for the * WH, like "showing up for work on time" is for my job.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 06:27 PM
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21. Big news!
Good job Biden! Now let's see what'll happen.... :popcorn:
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:40 AM
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38. To be fair.....
it wasn't Biden who discovered this, but to his credit he IS the one bringing to the attention of Kindasleezy Rice. Like she doesn't know already.
The bush White House will lie about this as well, once you start lying you MUST continue to lie to keep up appearances of NOT lying.
Was it Mark Twain that said, "If your going to lie, you'd better have a fantastic memory"? Or something to that effect? The problem with the bush administration is, they've told a mountain of lies and they can't all keep their stories straight on any of them anymore. It's such a convoluted web of deceit they must have a massive flow chart in the situation room trying to keep track of their prevarications.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:05 PM
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23. My guess is that Powell is feeding info to Biden - they are close friends.
.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:58 PM
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26. Bloomberg story
Bloomberg News
By Janine Zacharia

July 28 (Bloomberg) - John Bolton, President George W. Bushs nominee to be United Nations ambassador, failed to disclose to the U.S. Senate that he was interviewed in a State Department investigation related to Iraqs alleged attempts to purchase nuclear material from Niger, a department spokesman said.

The admission may give Senate Democrats, who have successfully delayed a vote on Bolton, another opportunity to try to derail the nomination. A request from Senator Joseph Biden, the ranking Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, prompted the State Department to re-examine Boltons records.

State Department spokesman Noel Clay said Bolton had forgotten about an interview by the State Department Inspector General, which took place on July 18, 2003, when he completed forms for his Senate confirmation hearings last March.

When Mr. Bolton completed the form during the confirmation process he did not recall being interviewed by the State Department Inspector General therefore his form as submitted was inaccurate, Clay said. He will correct it.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:36 PM
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27. Isn't that a felony?
And * still wants to appoint him Abassador to the U.N. via the Congressional recess loophole.
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rrrevolution Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:32 PM
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29. Bolton forgot he testified before the Fitz??? -- Yeah, right!
And this is the guy that is going to go to the UN and straighten things out? Sheesh.

Bad temper, can't tell the truth, generally a loose cannon.
Could be the best thing Bush ever did for the Democrats if he recess appoints Bolton to the UN. Just imagine, Bolton would have to deal with Ambassadors from other countries over which he would have no authority.

How long would it be before they are laughing at him and ridiculing him, and there is nothing he could do about it. Diplomacy is not his game. It would be no time before he blows up, makes a fool of himself, and forces Bush to replace him.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:46 PM
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31. It wasn't before Fitz. Different inestigation, similar topic
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 07:45 AM
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43. There could be an important NON-story there: What HAS Fitzgerald
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 08:09 AM by AirAmFan
done to investigate Bolton's possible connection to the Plame outing? How and why is Bolton being protected from a central role in media stories about TreasonGate?

It even may be Bolton whom Judith Miller has gone to jail to protect!

Bolton was THE top State political appointee having the most to do with PR about WMD policy, the narrow focus of Fitzgerald's investigation. A great timeline on the Plame affair just published, written by a former top NSC staffer, speculates that Bolton may have been the original source of the Plame leak for Judith Miller, who Arianna Huffington thinks was the key conduit for subsequent leaks to Novak, Rove, and Libby:

From http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0728-25.htm :

"The Source Beyond Rove- Condoleezza Rice at the Center of the Plame Scandal by Roger Morris

Published on Thursday, July 28, 2005 by CommonDreams.org

...June 10, 2003: Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman asks the Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) for a briefing on the Niger uranium issue, and specifically the State Department's opposition to the continuing White House view that Iraq had tried to buy yellow cake. The resulting memo is dated the same day.... Befitting the sensitivity of the information, the memo is classified 'Top Secret," and contains in one paragraph, separately marked "(S/NF)" for "Secret/No dissemination to foreign governments or intelligence agencies," two sentences describing in passing Valerie "Wilson's" identity as a CIA operative and her role in the inception of the Wilson trip to Niger. This June 10 memo reportedly does not use her maiden name Plame....

There is also the intriguing relationship between John Bolton, the regimes stymied appointee to the UN, and Judith Miller, the New York Times correspondent sent to jail for contempt in refusing to divulge her sources on Plame even for a story she never wrote. Boltons close relationship to Miller, in which many suspect the right-wing lobbyist handed the reporter much of the fraudulent accounts of Iraqi weaponry that ended up on the front page of the Times, may well have encompassed as well the passing of information from the INR memo on Plame, which Bolton saw before Powell or even Rice....

And, of course, the larger issue beyond Plame is the Bush regimes Big Lie behind the invasion of Iraq, in which the phantom Nigerien yellowcake was an important malignant element. No government since World War II has more blatantly invented the pretext for waging a war of aggression....

Roger Morris was Senior Staff on the National Security Council under both Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon, until resigning over the invasion of Cambodia. An award winning author, he has written extensively about the Presidency and American foreign policy."
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democratic veteran Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:41 PM
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30. Mission Accomplished
They invaded Iraq. What's a little lie and 20,000 casualties among friends.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:48 PM
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32. Story is on Yahoo...Rate it Up!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:46 AM
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34. Done. n/t
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:51 AM
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41. Say it again, Clay
Bolton, former undersecretary for arms control and international security, had no role in a separate criminal investigation into the leak of an undercover CIA officer's identity, Clay said.


Hey, look over there! A Supreme Court nominee!! ..........................
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:10 PM
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33. kick!
:dem:
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:21 AM
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36. kick
kick
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:41 AM
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39. Isn't that a felony?
Yes but it only applies to Dems &/or Independents.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 07:10 AM
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42. Lying gets you a job promotion if you are a Repuke.
This probably should get Bolton a quick recess appointment too.


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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:25 AM
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44. Figure it: Bolton likely the Primary leak in the Plame case.
1.) We also know Bolton gave testimony to Fitzgerald's grand jury.

2.) We know Bolton was one of the officials neo-cons forced upon the State Department in May 2001. The became the Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International

3.) We know that a secret State Department memo given to Powell by Armitage just before his trip to Africa in 2003 contained the information (marked secret) to the effect that Wilson's wife (Plame) was instrumental in his visit to Niger.

4.) We know that a number of "high ranking administration officials" knew this information within a day and leaked it (winthin 2) to the press to discredit Wilson and his criticism of the administration with respect to Saddam's desires for WMDs.

Connect the dots. IF THE INFORMATION CAME FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT MEMO (as was speculated upon last week because of grand jury testimony in the Plame case THEN IS IS MORE THAN SIMPLY LIKELY THAT BOLTON WAS THE CONDUIT OF THE INFORMATION AND, THEREFORE, THE PRIMARY LEAKER!

Even if Bolton was not on the 2003 trip to Africa, ti was like that in the capacity of Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security he would have been given the same momo by Armitage.


Now President Bush is considering appointing Bolton as Ambassador to the U.N. through a mid-term appointment.

If the press begins seriously putting this together and speculating upon it, Bush will either pull back or brazenly apoint him at significant political damage.
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splat@14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:32 PM
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45. When does he get his medal?
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:58 PM
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46. Kick!
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