Which is the best way to rephrase "Pro-Life"?

[LostInAnomie]

Poll question: Which is the best way to rephrase "Pro-Life"?

Since they are so fond of transforming "Pro-Choice" into "Pro-Abortion" what should we change "Pro-Life" into to control the message?

[Liberal Veteran]

1. Pro-pregnancy...

After the baby is born, they don't give two shits about it.

[Kerrytravelers]

2. Exactly.rethug civil rights...conception to birth...the more $$ the better

[keep CHOICES legal]

22. REFRAME: "CHOICES"...not "choice"

Again, the Republicans are allowed to frame the issue...and we obediently follow along. (We are NOT only talking about abortion (singular)...the Republicans want to frame the word "choice" as meaning only ONE thing...."abortion".

We need to reframe it to mean women (not the government) want to make the "CHOICES" for their bodies. As a new country, America was established because people did not have choices in their lives...religion, speech, etc. Just carry on that same theme when it comes other issues like "abortion".

I AM pro-"choices". Women should have the right to make "choices" concerning their own bodies. If you are anti-abortion, your are anti- "choices". Having only one choice in ANYTHING, is anti-American!
Women who are against abortion, should not get one. (But also realize that it is anti-american to give ALL women only one choice).

REFRAME:

Keep CHOICES legal.
I am NOT PRO-abortion. I am PRO-choices.

[newyawker99]

59. Hi keep CHOICES legal!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[blondeatlast]

61. Good thinking; it would be very hard for the right to reframe the plural

as a negative.

I like your thinking--have you visited the "Frame the Debate" forum?

[havocmom]

3. Womb monitors

It's what they aspire to.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. Pro-Lie

They are not FOR life. All the resources they spend on abortion billboards and politicans could probably put a roof over every family in AMerica

[dsc]

12. can you even remotely back that up?

I admit to having no clue what it would cost to put a roof over every family in America but I would imagine that it would be in the trillions. I literally can't imagine that anything like that has been spent on politics all told, let alone only advancing pro life ideals.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. I'm referencing only those that don't have homes

Tha would in no way cost trillions

[dsc]

15. I am not even sure you would be right in that regard

so again can you back this up. How much have pro lifers spent on those things? I don't know, do you? How much would ending homelessness cost, I don't know, do you?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. Compared to the billions the pro-lie movement has spent?

I would venture to guess I am pretty close

[dsc]

18. Then my asking you to back it up shouldn't be a hard request

I honestly admit to not knowing in this case (limitting the discussion to housing homeless and not every family). But you seem pretty sure so you should be able to site something backing you up. Incidently, I am pretty hard pressed to believe even $1billion has been spent by pro life groups on politicians and billboards, though again I don't know. That is why I am asking. If true it would be an interesting fact.

[noiretextatique]

47. it would be an interesting fact

and i think it would be a lot of money over the past 25 years or so. certainly enough to house a family for 25 years.

[jimshoes]

5. One issue voter

would cover the majority of them. The rest of the world could be heading into the tank but as long as their guy is supposedly pro life, they're all in.

[dsc]

24. Do you have anything to back that up?

The actual break down of pro life voters (those who either would ban all abortions or ban abortions with very limited exceptions) are 75% vote R 25% vote D. Thus at least 25% of them clearly don't vote on that single issue. That leaves the other 75%. How many of them would favor Bush on many other issues as well? Do you know, I don't. Unless, and until you do know, then you can't fairly categorize them as single issue voters.

[Ian David]

29. Financial Details: pro-choice and pro-fetus.

First of all, if I remember correctly, they spent $113 million last year JUST on gay marriage. I'll see if I can find back-up for that.

Anyway, on to abortion...

This information is only for registered Political Action Committees.

Many "pro-life" groups may not be registered as PACs.

Also, this covers only donations to FEDERAL candidates, not how much they spent in their other endeavors-- advertising, protests, inserting themselves into courtcases, etc.


PAC Contributions to Federal Candidates 2003-2004
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/sector.asp?txt=Q01&cycle=2004

Abortion Policy/Pro-Choice: $1,175,921
graph 87% to Dems
graph 13% to Repubs

Abortion Policy/Pro-Life: $563,240
graph 2% to Dems
graph 98% to Repubs




PAC Contributions to Federal Candidates 2001-2002
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/sector.asp?txt=Q01&cycle=2002

Abortion Policy/Pro-Choice: $1,092,544
graph 81% to Dems
graph 18% to Repubs

Abortion Policy/Pro-Life: $443,664
graph 0% to Dems
graph 100% to Repubs


I'll see if I can dig up more info later.

[CatholicEdHead]

31. In 03-04, was the 2% to Dems, going to Zell?

[dsc]

48. Here I was asking about the voters

not the money but thanks for something about the money. A couple million a year would take 500 years to add up to a billion. Yes, they spend a decent amount of money, but no it isn't enough to make a dent in homelessness much less end it.

As to the division of the money that makes a great deal of sense given that we have so few pro life Democrats who are elected. It would be more polarized than our voters since Congress itself is more polarized.

Thanks for the info.

[Ian David]

32. For comparison: Gay and Anti-gay expenditures on marriage issue

Check out these numbers, and remember this:

There have been people fighting against abortion for much longer than against gay marriage. And the anti-abortion groups are probably much better organized and funded.

Financial Analysis of Contributions/Expenditures by pro and anti-gay organizations for 2004 Anti-Gay Marriage Ballot Initiatives
http://www.thetaskforce.org/reslibrary/list.cfm?pubTypeID=2#pub205

[jimshoes]

45. No real numbers

but talking to people that I know that are Catholic, the majority of them voted for shrub for that issue alone. Of course I'm only talking about a small sampling of people but if one extrapolates....

[gulliver]

6. Abortion prohibitionists n/t

[Applan]

7. Anti- womens' rights

Since that's what it is really about

[flvegan]

8. anti-woman

Ultimately, the woman in question is the one that they are either removing options from, or putting in harm's way. Additionally, they also seem to think that a woman is simply too stupid to know what's best for her. No more responsibility for yourself, there, little lady. And once you give birth, f*ck the both of ya, cuz it's out of our hands.

[SharonAnn]

9. "Control of Women", That's what it really is.

[edhopper]

10. That's true

But I think "Anti-Woman" is the simplest and most accurate phrase.

[sundancekid]

11. I picked anti-choice. My smackdown comment to these alleged pro-lifers

is: I am fully in favor of life, including after it is born, when it goes to school, when I disagree with them, when I choose diplomacy, and when I condemn the death penalty; BUT also, I'm fully pro-choice because if my Creator endows me with the freedom to choose over moral issues, who the hell are you, or your party, or any government to take away what God has given me in infinite wisdom???? They usually STFU.

[Larissa238]

21. I picked Anti-choice

Because personally I would never personally get an abortion, but I understand that sometimes people need to get them for whatever reason. I have had a friend who had a "scare" once, and if she was pregnant, I would have helped her in getting one, because if her parents found out, she would be beaten and most likely lose the baby anyways. It goes against my personal beliefs, but in cases like this, it is not my choice to make. It is theirs, and as their friend, I have to stand by them no matter what they choose. I don't want to take away anyones rights, and I don't want to go back to the age of coat-hangers anyways. So I believe what I believe, but I'm not gonna force my beliefs on anyone else.

[newyawker99]

60. Hi Larissa238!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[infinitehangover]

38. I think also it's neat that in the US you have the freedom to go to hell

[johnfunk]

14. Pro-back-alley-abortionists

With a tip of the hat from the Future Illegal Abortionists of Gilea... er, America -- they're pro-entrepreneurism, pro-restrictive-law, pro-Evangelical, and they vote republican!

[Wickerman]

16. Pro-Ignorance

These folks willingly ignore that abortions are going to occur whether they are legal or not.

Most of the radical 'Life forces I have seen are by no means wealthy. They simply choose not to understand that by outlawing abortion the only folks who will receive any sort of quality care should they choose to have an abortion for whatever reason will be the wealthy. They will be able to afford the trained MD who works his trade quietly.

Meanwhile, the poor, their own sisters, aunts, wives and daughters, faced with a pregnancy that for whatever reason can not be carried to term, will be forced to either endure illegal back alley abortions, or, suffer the consequences of carrying the child to term.

Pro-Ignorance.

[lateo]

39. Ding, ding, ding...

We have a winner.

[noamnety]

19. Privacy + Priorities

I don't want to tie it just to abortion, because it's larger than that - it's also an attempt to block access to birth control.

We were talking about this in the framing group yesterday, and someone suggested a phrase related to peeping toms, which has potential and I think "crotch-sniffers" is appropriate, given their concern over whether or not a fertilized embryo might tragically find its way through my crotch, unbeknownst to me, without implantation.

I also am partial to the term "Panty Ranger" because it draws attention to the fact that rather than worrying about what's going on in my uterus, maybe they should be signing up to help in that war we got going on, which they seem to have forgotten about. Plus it's a pseudo-heroic image, like chickenhawk, rather than sounding like rhetoric. Panty Ranger is just more memorable and satisfying to say than Radical Right Wing Fundamentalist Anti-Choice Women Oppressors. Of course it would be better if we had a logo for it, like the yellow elephant campaign.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

Pro birth

They don't give a damn about what happens after that. Pro life my ass. Pro war, pro death penalty, anti anything that might give you a helping hand in this bloodthirsty, capitalist, winner take all and fuck everybody else society.

[Catt03]

20. Anti personal privacy or anti women's personal privacy

and it is. Based on Griswold v CT:

Significance

This decision went a long way to establishing a basic sphere of personal privacy to which all people are entitled. If followed, it would place the burden on the government to demonstrate why it is justified in interfering with your life rather than requiring you to demonstrate that the text of the Constitution specifically and narrowly prohibits the government's actions.

This decision also paved the way for Roe v. Wade, which acknowledged that women's privacy included a right to determine whether or not their own pregnancy should be carried to full term.

[Lindacooks]

23. Absolutely anti-privacy.

That's what Roe v Wade was based on - a woman's right to privacy concerning matters about her own body.

[keep CHOICES legal]

26. Pro CHOICES

The "pro-lifers"....are anti-CHOICES. Women want CHOICES. (plural)

(See my post above.)

KEEP CHOICES LEGAL!

[julialnyc]

25. Simplistic and arrogant

If life were only that easy

[Ian David]

27. Here's some ideas

1) Pro-Bastard
2) Pro-Fetus
3) Pro-Fetus/Anti-Baby
4) Raiders of the Lost Womb
5) Sperm-Worshipers

If they want to be pro-life (or pro-fetus) they need to:

1) Protect the environment-- pollution does more harm to the unborn than to anyone else.

2) Work for peace. War kills adults, children AND fetuses.

3) Work to keep people-- especially women, and MOST especially pregnant women-- from smoking. Children in a smoker's household are at greater risk, even after they are born.

4) Work to end poverty. Poverty is a leading reason why women seek abortions. Also leading cause of divorce and (non-white collar) crime.

5) Encourage contraception and realistic sex-education!

6) Encourage after-school programs that keep kids busy with things other than trying to get laid.

7) Spend more time worrying about their own damn kids and less about other people's bodies! For god's sake, who's watching their kids while they're out waving pictures of dead fetuses!

[dr.zoidberg]

28. Easy answer.

Anti-Abortion. So easy to miss that it would bite you in the ass without you ever knowing it.

[Kazak]

30. Selective-Life?

:shrug:

[napi21]

33. Anti-Freedom!

Religious freedom is GUARANTEED by the Constitution! That means freedom to follow ANY Religion or NONE at all! All Elected officials, and ALL judges SWEAR under oath, to uphold the Constitution, and the anti-choice crowd is NOY upholding the Constitution by not permitting FREEDOM to ALL it's citizens

[Hell Hath No Fury]

34. Anti-civil rights...

as noted in my sig line.

[GoneOffShore]

35. How about

Pro Slavery?

Because to require a woman to go to full term with a pregnancy is involuntary servitude.
And notice I said "REQUIRE".

[zbdent]

36. Pro-Rest-Of-The-Life

[infinitehangover]

37. No-Choice

[stepnw1f]

40. Anti-Life!

We are Pro-Life. If you place their definition of life up against our definition of life you'd quickly come to the realization that they care a lot less for living people than we do. On top of it, their view on what is life is based on theory not science... so f'em.

[Glenda]

41. "Coat Hanger Enthusiasts" is the most accurate!

... maybe I'll start using that phrase from now on!

[Kitsune]

42. Misogyny. *nt*

[BlueIris]

57. There's your ding, ding, ding.

Sick bastards.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. Pro-preggers. Pro-slavery. Pro-punishment. Anti-sex.

Works for me in arguments.

[fortyfeetunder]

44. 21st Century Puritans

getting back to their roots...

work is virtuous
having fun is evil
no sex except for procreation
women are subjugated
intolerance for all that is different from the "norm"...

[noiretextatique]

46. anti-woman

i think "misogynists united women" is catchy too ;-)

[AirAmFan]

49. "Forced childbirth advocate"

Remember the way the knuckle-draggers framed school integration as "forced busing?"

[BlueIris]

58. Awesome expression. Consider it stolen.

Of course, it will need to contain my obligatory "sick bastards," but other than that is perfect. You are obviously a very smart, pro-choice voter. Could you clone yourself please?

[Blue_Tires]

50. forced birther n/t

[AirAmFan]

51. Or, for prominent males in their movement, such as the Attorney General

of Kansas, "forced childbirth pimp". IMHO there's no bigger crime in this world than using the full power of the state to force impoverished women to bear children they don't want. Middle- and upper-class families will fly wherever they have to go to get their abortions. It's the poor who will suffer, especially the children.

[Tactical Progressive]

52. "Pro-coathanger" is the most accurate

because abortions aren't going to end. What changes is how. Since outlawing abortion isn't going to change human nature, all that changes are the methods. These people want to return us to 'back-alley abortions.

"Pro-coathanger" conveys exactly that reality, because the result is not a world without abortions, but a world where abortions are performed underground and dangerously instead of medically and safely.

[AirAmFan]

53. As in, "They're not 'pro-life', they're 'pro-coathanger'!"

[imenja]

54. pro-government control

of personal choice

[DanCa]

55. Embryo Lovers (nt)

[BlueIris]

56. I went with ANTI-CHOICE, but I really prefer "sick bastards."

Because they are. Anyone who honestly believes it's his right to make judgments about and restrict my personal, private medical choices--usually while not making any concessions to control his own ability to impregnate women--is one diseased, hypocritical, misogynist asshole. The very idea is offensively incomprehensible to me, as it would be to him, if he could get pregnant, and as it is to anyone WITH A BRAIN.

Sick bastards.

[Mnemosyne]

62. Hypocrites works for me for most all

right wingers "beliefs".

[Mr_Spock]

63. I chose "anti-choice", but I'm gonna call them "coat hangar enthusiasts"

in private. Anti-choice is the public word of "choice" for me :D

[jmm]

64. Women haters

They don't care about life. They have no respect for women. They feel we shouldn't have a say as to what is best for our bodies.

One of the best pieces of advice my mom gave me is never to date a man that's anti-choice because he'll never view me as an equal.