Clark is an unproven Democrat

[Bushknew]

If he is really serious about being president he should run in 2008 and build more of a democratic record. Admittedly, he has said that he is not a partisan.

Being president is the most partisan position which needs a clear political vision.

Clark seems to be winging it and ironing out his political vision.

Clark needs to build a democratic record and more time to solidify his positions and policies; otherwise, he is just an opportunist.

You donÕt cram for the presidency.

Run in 2008 Clark.

[Terwilliger]

1. I must agree

Unless folks want Clark to adhere to this general principle, NO ONE can bitch and moan about Republicans not having experience.

[coralrf]

11. Rove has a job for you Terwilliger...

in his ministry of spin.

I have read your posts in the past and know that you have a better brain than that.

Clark has a huge amount of RELEVANT experience if the Dems are to tackle what is considered to be the most vulnerable part of the Bush administration. The media have actually questioned Bush on his "security" policies and there is the air of incompetence out there. Clark does not have to be a 'proven Democrat'..(sounds like the communist loyalty oaths to me) but a proven leader to be a viable alternative to Bush's national security failures. He is the best qualifies of any candidate to do that.

The economy is still a big issue but I think the Democrats underplay the general acceptance that any Democrat will outperform a GOP'er there. That is the Clinton legacy and Starr and the boys failed to erase that. Clark as Dean or Kerry or any good candidate would, will surround himself with good people. People that have made America work in the past. So he need not be ‘an all in one candidate’ and in fact none of the Dems can claim to be that.

I fail to see how shooting down a Democrat with momentum, albeit he is not your first choice, will help the Democrats in general. If we keep it up Bush will face a badly injured Democrat.

ANY DEMOCRAT IN 2004!!!!!!

[dfong63]

19. but the point is that clark may not be a real democrat

The economy is still a big issue but I think the Democrats underplay the general acceptance that any Democrat will outperform a GOP'er there.

i don't think that's a given, and besides that Clark hasn't proven himself to be a real dem yet. his newfound democratic beliefs haven't stood the test of time. he hasn't yet had to endure the trial by right-wing-media fire. he hasn't yet been subjected to the full temptations of corporate whoredom. and to the extent that he he has, he has failed the test.

[JVS]

12. don't forget the classic complaint of...

Greens wanting to start off at the top instead of building up their party at a local level first. If starting a political career by gunning straight for the top is OK for Clark then it was Ok for Nader too.

[Cappurr]

2. And Dean is unproven in foreign affairs....

We already have one idiot who didn't know shit about world affairs. Do we really want to take a chance on another one?

[Terwilliger]

4. as opposed to Clark who might run th budget into the ground

You're NOW trying to say that it's ok that Clark doesn't have X experience, but it's NOT OK that Dean doesn't have Y experience.

[Fixated]

7. .....

There's no evidence that Dean can balance a budget without assistance. Federal assistance to the states is huge, and Bush balanced the Texas budget, too.

[Terwilliger]

9. ok, you just titted for tat

BLOWING by the point of the thread

Does this disqualify BOTH Clark and Dean?!

[Sephirstein]

5. At least Dean is fucking learning...

He's not perfect, but don't compare his knowledge of foreign affairs to Tweedledumbya's, please!

[Demobrat]

3. It would be nice if he had some kind of record as a Dem.

Maybe as Governor of a state, oh, say, the size of Arkansas.

[Padraig18]

6. Clark flame thread #12306

Just can't let it go, can you? Why not say something positive about your OWN candidate, and give up on this lame-assed 'ideological purity" crap?

[Terwilliger]

10. how is suggesting a lack of experience an example of purity?

You're the ideological purist, looking for everyone to drink the kool aid and support people without asking hard questions.

[Padraig18]

24. If you'd ever read my posts, I do NOT suggest 'drinking the Kool Aid'

I am a DEMOCRAT first and foremost!

On edit: Your slur says far more about YOU than it does about me.

[Shanty Oilish]

17. As many as it takes until we translate Clark's cookbook.

I just want a candidate I'm sure is a Democrat.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

8. Clark can win some military votes and white males back to our side

do we want him or not? The idea is that Clark can take the "patriotism issue" away from the Republicans. Do we want to? Would that be "sinking to their level?" Clark has been wearing a button saying "Dissent is good for Democracy" - is that good for our side?

If Dean was some great progressive populist Democrat, it would be an easy choice. But he's a Vermont governor, rather conservative, and while a good politician, not a great one. As far as anti-corporate, he's no different than the other "electable" candidates.

[Bushknew]

13. Yeah, Clark can start building his democratic record by

relentlessly attacking Bush on the war, and start asking for an independent investigation
on 911.

WeÕll see how bold or safe he is through his campaigning.

Clark would really earn my respect if he would out Bob Graham on the 911 security issues.

The media is really focusing on Clark, if he really attacks Bush on all the 911 mysteries.

He will do much in building his democratic credibility.

If he doesnÕt bring up all the 911 mysteries, he is just an opportunist at best or
A Repug plant at worst.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

15. agreed, Clark should say something about 911

[Cappurr]

16. If you'd been watching CNN

You'd know that Clark was attacking Bush on Iraq before it even began. And he was the only general who had the guts to call it like he saw it.

[Bushknew]

18. Which is good but É

He needs to attack Bush on why the Air Force took so long to get to the towers and
The pentagon on 911.

He needs to attack Bush on why did he stayed for 30 minutes in a childrenÕs class room
Knowing that 4 hijacked planes were in US air space.

He needs to dispel the myth that the government never anticipated terrorists crashing
hijacked planes into buildings.

The government did know of such a possibility, it is well documented.

He needs to boldly attack Bush on the current war and on BushÕs lack of national security
on 911.

[noiretextatique]

14. can he do this as vp?

i'm thinking that would be a better slot for him.

[im4edwards]

20. "Run in 2008 Clark" double zing

the obvious Clark and the less obvious 2008. Implication that there won't be an incumbant Dem running !

Now isn't that a little defeatist ? The first battle is many months distant and and poster has already run up the white flag.

I think I'll wait till November 2004 and see what the people decide. There's no reason we can't possibly win.

[Rebellious Republican]

21. Yeah we would not want some one who is...

not partisan, or someone who is unyeilding, uncompromising. Who would want someone that is willing to listen to the voice of reason, and be flexible about important issues.
"Being president is the most partisan position which needs a clear political vision."


It would definately suck to have someone that would work with all minorities, someone who would listen to peoples of all persuasions. God forbid should we have someone that is willing to work with all political parties, such as Indies, Greens, Repubs and Dems. Who would want a unified government.
"Admittedly, he has said that he is not a partisan."

Sounds like what you have described as a good president is what we already have. So why bother to have an election at all! Have you read what you have posted?

:kick:
ANYONE BUT BUSH FOR PRESIDENT

[MrPrax]

22. Clark will run the Great Concillator Schtick

He will promote the lie that America is divided and NEEDS a 'compromise' candidate to HEAL the divisions...
He will keep the 'angry Left' at bay, while imparting 'sanity' and 'experience' to GOP foreign policy...
The stuff writes itself...

[salin]

23. great - another thread - with a slight twist

that fits with a bunch of other threads on this topic.

I appreciate your point - but could you make it on one of the existing threads?

Or is no discussion besides Clark or Dean allowed in GD anymore? Because the net effect of starting a thread that fits with several existing threads and that will result in a mirror Dean thread is pushing ALL substantive ISSUE topics off of the front page. Within minutes.

Sorry but this is frustrating.

*this is todays pat response to the proliferation of identical threads that has shut down all other conversations among people, on issues, that are about beating BUSH, fighting back against BUsh policies, but devoid of clark or dean.* If ya'll can spam the forum - then I can spam your threads