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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:14 PM
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Who's The WEAKEST GOP Candidate for '08?
My money is on Dr. Frist. I pray he gets the nomination. He would be another Bob Dole. Mark Warner, Brian Schweitzer or even Hillary could wipe the floor with him.

George Allen is another weak one. He comes across as smarmy and insincere on television. He has a kind of sneering smile and a know it all attitude - not very likeable. A Frist/Allen ticket would be a dream for Democrats.

The two worrisome ones are McCain and Guiliani. I don't see how either makes it through a primary season dominated by Repub Talibornagains. The wingnuts hate McCain and they can't stand Guiliani's social views. But if either gets the nomination somehow, we have our work cut out for us.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:21 PM
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1. Most of America forgets that NYC hated Giuliani until 9/11.
The campaign season is long. Once they get to know him, they'll realize what an asshole he is. Plus, the fundies will never allow a pro-choice candidate. End of story.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:25 PM
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6. The fundies will do what Robertson, Falwell & Dobson say
I think Robertson already said that he preferred Giuliani...
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:47 PM
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22. pro-choice Giuliani? Difficult to imagine. Link please?
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 05:58 PM
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25. Robertson: "super job running New York... he'd make a good president"
Sorry for the source of the link...

Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson raised eyebrows on Sunday when he heaped praise on former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, saying he'd make "a good president" despite his liberal positions on gay rights and abortion.

Asked if Giuliani would be an acceptable 2008 presidential candidate to Christian conservatives, Robertson told ABC's "This Week:" "He did a super job running the city of New York and I think he'd make a good president."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/5/1/102522.shtml
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 06:19 PM
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27. Hat's off to you. Thanks.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:14 PM
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29. the hypocrisy kind of stood out in my mind
I think Rudy is to the left of John Kerry on gay marriage...
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:53 PM
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14. Yeah, he was going down
as I recall he couldn't shake the whole extramarital affair thing. Then the slimeball cashed in on 9/11. What a fuckin' dick.
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carnie_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:27 PM
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19. Doesn't Gotti
still have a hit out on him?
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 06:11 PM
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26. All of them!
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KarenInMA Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:21 PM
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2. Romney or Santorum
Santorum is batshit crazy, and I have a picture of myself, a drag queen and Romney at the Pride Rally in 03.

(what I mean is, he'll be seen as a guy who led "librul taxachusetts"
for four years-I don't really have a picture of myself w/ Romney. That would be gross)
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:51 PM
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23. Santorum is behind in the polls today. Is anyone else behind?
Santorum is definitely vulnerable.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:22 PM
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3. George Allen appears to be dumb as a bag of hammers
A kind of likable but utterly vapid jerk that has ridden his father's notoriety his whole life. Holy crap, I just described W!
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:54 PM
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15. Frat guy who's only concern is making money in life.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:25 PM
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4. Frist, yeah!
Creepy, creepy.

But I think Giuliani is also weak. It might be prejudice, but I think it might be hard for middle America to look at him without thinking, Who did he knock off to get where he is? He oozes sleaze. Kerik struck him a fatal blow.

McCain has broad vague appeal but the people with power hate him, as you said.

If they want to win again, I think they're going to have to find a fresh face.

(Or maybe not, thanks to the wonders of Diebold -- looks like things are only going to get worse on that front.)
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:25 PM
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5. Giuliani--not gonna happen.
The fundies will never allow it.

Of all the ones you named, McCain is the only cause for worry.

Mark my words, we'll have a Dem president in 2008.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:32 PM
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7. I'm worried about McCain too.
Hopefully the Republicans will pick someone ideological. Frist would be preferable to Allen; I have a feel Allen will be able to unify his base while presenting a moderate image in the style of Bush.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:40 PM
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9. You make an excellent point about Allen ....
Unfortunately a large chunk of the electorate votes for the person they'd most like to have a beer with. There is something inherently creepy about Frist:scared:, but Allen can appear (note the use of the word appear) like an affable guy, one you'd like to have a beer with.
He COULD be troublesome.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:11 PM
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16. He's not convincingly affable though
it's smarmy and fake. He does not come across as genuine. Americans like authenticity and I don't think he projects that.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:31 PM
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20. Thats how I feel about Chimpy ...
Yet, Americans bought into the "regular guy" image when I saw "regular sociopath."
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:26 PM
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18. I'm not real worried about McCain
He'll be like 73 years old in '08. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Either Frist or Romney could be fun.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:34 PM
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8. Gigglyannie is not a good candidate
First of all his pro-choice stance can't get the fundies out in force. Second of all his whoring for bush will turn off any democratic defectors. Third of all he has a closet full of skeletons.

Frist does seem like another Bob Dole. George Allen is dumb as a bag of hammers and comes across as a self important asshole. Santorum is freeking crazy, moderates won't go for him at all and besides he is poised to lose his Senate seat.

Romney scares me a little. I don't know that much about him. McCain, I feel, would easily win a general election. Hagel is almost as electable as McCain, but the buzz seems to have died down on him. There's a long ways to go. He could still make some noise. Jeb still scares the bejezzus out of me.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:44 PM
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10. Jeb is a no.
Edited on Sun Jul-31-05 01:45 PM by longship
This country is not ready to elect a third Bush. They may never be ready.

Shit, if Jeb gets elected we may as well crown him King and start handing down the head-of-state job to offspring.
Shudder!!! Queen Noelle.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:45 PM
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11. self-delete
Edited on Sun Jul-31-05 01:46 PM by JHBowden
nt
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:50 PM
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12. Jeb, Maybe Frist
I suppose McCain is on top of the heap. Frist is a weasel at best, dumping the Christian Right as he did last week can't help his chances. I think the name Bush has been put where it belongs, below the dung heap, so that should keep Jeb's dynastic dreams in check.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:52 PM
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13. I agree that Jeb is the weakest
unless the Democrats nominate Kerry again or maybe Hillary and then any Repub would have a shot. McCain would win huge but he is too old and has health problems. Guiliani is pro gay-rights and has too many skeletons in his closet.
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:26 PM
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17. Rick Santorum or Sam Brownback
These guys are even far too loony right for must repubs to stand.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:34 PM
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21. OT Guilliani and communion question?
Can Ruddy still recieve communion? He's on the same side of the "culture" war as John Kerry was and the church had a field day with it.
To answer your question howabout Alan Keyes and Sanatorum ticket?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 03:47 PM
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24. Jeb Bush or Joe Lieberman
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 06:21 PM
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28. Jeb, Frist, Allen.
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