Diebold, ES&S, and the Christian Reconstructionists

[Fridays Child]

Chris Floyd connects some very frightening dots in the unfolding saga of black box voting.

-snip-

Who's behind these private companies? It's hard to tell: the corporate lines--even the bloodlines--of these "competitors" are so intricately mixed. For example, at Diebold--whose corporate chief, Wally O'Dell, a top Bush fundraiser, has publicly committed himself to "delivering" his home state's votes to Bush next year--the election division is run by Bob Urosevich. Bob's brother, Todd, is a top executive at "rival" ES&S. The brothers were originally staked in the vote-count business by Howard Ahmanson, a member of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing "steering group" stacked with Bushist faithful.

Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the "Christian Reconstructionist" movement, an extremist faction that openly advocates a theocratic takeover of American democracy, with the imposition of strict Christian dominion, placing "the state, the school, the arts and sciences, law, economics, and every other sphere under Christ the King." This "dominion" includes the death penalty for homosexuals, exclusion of citizenship for non-Christians, stoning of sinners and--we kid you not--slavery, "one of the most beneficent of Biblical laws." As the movement's leader--and Ahmanson's fellow CNP member--R.J. Rushdoony puts it: "The Christian should therefore not fear laws in support of Christian social goals just because they interfere with personal freedom."

-snip-

edited to add link:
http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd09262003.html

[Mari333]

1. EEEEK the Handmaid's Tale=Christian Reconstructionists!

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/lit-med/lit-med-db/webdocs/webdescrips/atwood157-des-.html

This is scary shite.

[LearnedHand]

10. I swear, I've been asking everyone I know if they've read...

...The Handmaid's Tale (Margaret Atwood) for AT LEAST 10 years now. Folks, you've GOT to read this novel! It's like reading Orwell's 1984 all over again.

[seemslikeadream]

2. And here is a great site to see what the theocrats

have been up to www.theocracywatch.org

Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy at Cornell University

[Gordon25]

4. The significance of the involvement of Christian Reconstructionists...

...is often overlooked or misinterpreted. It is primarily in the mindset of such "true believers" as described by Eric Hoffer in his classic book by the same name.

In short, they "believe" they have the only answer, and that having the "only answer" justifies any actions in bringing their "only answer" to come to pass. They believe they are fighting against the Devil and all tactics (one would have to assume that to include rigging elections to make sure "God's" candidate got elected despite Satan's attempt to delude the vast unenlightened voting public) are acceptable in a fight against the Devil.

I don't have any problem with true believer's rights to believe. I do have a major problem with them being in charge of counting the votes in my country.

Gordon25

[seemslikeadream]

6. Busy little beavers aren't they?

In 10 years they have accomplished much
The seven highest ranking Republican Senators in the U.S. Senate
Bill Frist
Mitch McConnell
Rich Santorum
Bob Bennette
Kay Bailey Hutchingson
John Kyle
George Allen
Every one of them recieved a scorecard of 100% from Christian Coalition.

Is conventional wisdom ready to believe that the Religious Right could gain control over all three branches of the federal government?

How were people representing such an extreme ideological point of view elected to the top positions in the Republican Party?

Biblical law TRUMPS civil law!

[dusty64]

21. They already have.

"Is conventional wisdom ready to believe that the Religious Right could gain control over all three branches of the federal government?"

And now they have control over the top companies which manufacture the electronic "voting" machines which have been shoved down our throats in violation of election law. VERY SCARY INDEED, yet I've heard not a word about this in the corporate media. Considering that the "religious" right has the agreement of maybe 20% of the population and most of those would NOT agree with the reconstructionists I think we've got a VERY big problem.

[punpirate]

29. The salient line...

... in Hoffer's book is that the true believers are never more dangerous than when they have _almost_ attained their goals.

Oh, yeah, I've read _The True Believer_ three or four times, almost as many times as I've read _Gravity's Rainbow_. *smile*

Cheers.

[Fridays Child]

3. So, the people behind election theft want to kill you if you're gay...

...re-institute slavery, and revoke your citizenship if you're a Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, or anything except Christian.

Screw the Dean/Clark/Kerry/yada yada yada arguments, people. If we don't fight this fight, we're signing our own death warrants and turning our backs on the death of our nation.

[Eloriel]

8. Egggsackly

Doesn't matter who runs -- except I don't want anyone unfairly blamed for "losing" -- if we don't fix this problem, and quick.

AND, it's up to us. Congress doesn't seem to care all that much. We've been able to get information to a few people, and even tho they move slowly, I've begun to think it's not a good idea to hold my breath for them to act.

Eloriel

[Generic Other]

5. There are so many strange new tumors forming!

We have potential ex-CIA/Pentagon involvement through SAIC and ITA. Now extremist Xtians and white supremacists. What next? David Icke's reptilian aliens?

I have fallen down the rabbit hole, through the looking glass...

Record and count my vote from a paper ballot please! Use a jar of marbles, bingo cards, I don't care. Just take this task out of the coldly efficient paperless touch screen hands of fascist corporate America. :scared:

[Karenina]

7. This is some seriously SICK fucking shit.

eom

[Fridays Child]

9. It gets worse. Google "Sun Myung Moon" and "Council for National Policy"

Then Google "Bill McCartney" (of the Promisekeepers) and "Council for National Policy"

These people are all in it together, and their in-your-face involvement with Moon reveals that not a single one of them is a true Christian. But, in their insatiable lust for money and power, they've co-opted and corrupted Christianity.

And the vast majority of rank and file right-wing fundamentalists are too ignorant and too indoctrinated to understand that they're nothing more than wholly expendable pawns in Brzezinski's "Grand Chessboard."

[alfredo]

11. More on the CNP

I think I posted the 1998 member list several days ago.

Here's a list of past-present list of officers and prominent members. it is not a complete, or up to date list.


Jack Abramhoff

Howard Ahmanson, Jr.

Thomas R. Anderson

Dr. John F.Ankerberg

Hon. Richard K. Armey

Thomas K. Armstrong

Sen. William L. Armstrong

John M. Ashbrook

Edward G. Atsinger III

Carole Baker

Theodore Baehr

William B. Ball

David Balsiger

Hon. Gary Bauer

John Beckett

Ray Berryman

Morton Blackwell

Thomas A. Bolan

Pat Boone

Richard Bott

Dr. James Bowers

Lynn Francis Bouchey

David W. Breese

Dr. William Rohl Bright

Floyd Brown

Sam Brunelli

Larry Burkett

John Commuta

Robert Cone

Peter Cook

Holland (Holly) Coors

Jeffrey Coors

Joseph Coors

Mary C. Crowley

Beverly Danielson

Sen. William Dannemeyer

Karen Davis

Cullen Davis

Arnaud deBorchgrave

Richard DeVos

Rich DeVos

Dick Dingham

Dr. James Dobson

John T. (Terry) Dolan

Arthur M. Dula

Ann Drexel

Pierre du Pont

John East

Thomas F. Ellis

Stuart Epperson

Dr. Jerry Falwell

Joseph F. Farah

Michael P. Farris

Dr. Edwin J. Feulner, Jr

Father Charles Fiore

Foster Friess

Willard Garvey

Peter B. Gemma

George F. Gilder

Dr. Duane Gish

Ronald P. Godwin

Alan Gottlieb

Robbie Gowdey

J. Peter Grace

Lt. General Daniel O. Graham

Robert Grant

Anthony Harrigan

Preston Hawkins

Jesse Helms

Thomas Hess

Rev. E.V. Hill

Jimmy Hill

Joe Hilyard

Roland Hinz

Hon. Donald P. Hodel

Rev. Melvin Hodges

Robert Holding

George Holland

John Holt

Donald R. Howard, Ph.D.

Dr. John A. Howard

Max Hugel

Herbert William Hunt

Mary Reilly Hunt

Nelson Bunker Hunt

Reed Irvine

Hon. Ernest J. Istook, Jr.

Lorena Jaeb

Kay Cole James

Gary Jarmin

Louis (Woody) Jenkins

Terry J. Jeffers

Dr. Mildred Faye Jefferson

Bob Jones III 

James F. Justiss

Rep. Jack Kemp (R-NY)

Dr. D. James Kennedy

Alan Keyes

Brig. General Albion W. Knight

Dr. Robert H. Krieble

Beverly LaHaye

Dr. Timothy LaHaye

Reed Larson

Dr. Ernest Lefever

John Lenczowski

Earl Little

John Lofton

Ed Lozick

Marlin Maddoux

Marion (Mac) Magruder

Peter Marshall, Jr.

Connaught (Connie) Marshner

James Mather

Pat Matrisciana

Donald S. McAlvany

Ed McAteer

Norm McClelland

James McClure

Jim McCotter

Larry P. McDonald

Hon. Edwin Meese III

Major F. Andy Messing, Jr.

Chuck Missler

Barbara Monteith

Dr. Stanley Monteith

Dr. Raymond Moore

Sam Moore

Dr. Henry M. Morris

Don Nickles

Grover Norquist

Dr. Gary North

Lt. Col. Oliver North

Dr. Paige Patterson

Robert J. Perry

Howard Phillips

William M. Polk

Lawrence D. "Larry" Pratt

Judge Paul Pressler

Jim Price

Ed Prince

Elsa Prince

Dr. Charles E. Rice

H.L. "Bill" Richardson

Rich Riddle 

Dr. "M.G." Pat Robertson

James Robinson

Kathleen Teague Rothschild

Howard J. Ruff

Rev. R. J. Rushdoony

William Rusher

Phyllis Schlafly

Lynda Scribante

Ron Seeley

Jay Sekulow

Hans Sennholz

Beurt SerVaas

Frank Shakespeare

Richard Shoff

Major General John K. Singlaub

Dr. W. Cleon Skousen

Mark Skousen

Baker Armstrong Smith

Dr. Lowell Smith

Jim R. Smith

Gerry Snyder

LaNeil Spivy

Scott Stanley, Jr. 

Robert Waring Stoddard

John A. Stormer

Lt. General Gordon Sumner

Gaylord K. Swim

John H. Sununu

Dr. Lewis Tambs

The Hon. Helen Marie Taylor

Stacy Taylor

Dr. Edward Teller

Sherman E. Unkefer

Mike Valerio

Guy Vander Jagt

Richard Viguerie

Christine de Vollmer

Craig Welch

Paul Weyrich

James Whelan

John W. Whitehead

Rev. Donald Wildmon

Dr. John Wilke
 
 
 

[AntiCoup2K4]

19. Lt. General Gordon Sumner

Sting is a Moonie Neo Con fascist???

I knew his albums have been getting worse over the years, but I never suspected he was in league with Satan's minions.

Then again, Stewart Copeland's dad was CIA, so ya never know :scared:

[dusty64]

23. Not the same guy, Sting is a progressive.

Lt. General Gordon Sumner - CNP Membership Roster (1984-85; 1988; 1996; 1998)

A special assistant to the Secretary of State for Latin American affairs. Council for Inter-American Security (CIS) director and advisor; Sumner was also a board member of the International Security Council (ISC), described by Herman and O'Sullivan as the "main U.S. agency of the Moon system in the field of terrorism propaganda." An international conference organized by ISC and CAUSA was held in January 1986 in Tel Aviv; speakers included Bo Hi Pak and Arnaud de Borchgrave, the publisher of the Washington Times... The Denver-based, North-South Institute (NSI) is a non-profit arm of the Council for Inter-American Security. NSI vice president and director, Lt. General Gordon Sumner, also a CIS director as we have seen, is an officer of USBC and NSI. http://watch.pair.com/database2.html#sumner

[LearnedHand]

12. About.com's information about Christian Reconstructionism:

We best know about this stuff! Please read!

<snip>

Its most common form, Theonomic Reconstructionism, represents one of the most extreme forms of Fundamentalist Christianity thought. The followers are attempting to peacefully convert the laws of United States so that they match those in the Hebrew Scriptures. They intend to achieve this by using the freedom of religion in the US to train a generation of children in private Christian religious schools. Later, their graduates will be charged with the responsibility of creating a new Bible-based political, religious and social order. One of the first tasks of this order will be to eliminate religious freedom. Their eventual goal is to achieve the "Kingdom of God" in which much of the world is converted to Christianity. They feel that the power of God's word will bring about this conversion. No armed force or insurrection will be needed; in fact, they believe that there will be little opposition to their plan. People will willingly accept it if it is properly presented to them.

All religions other than Christianity would be suppressed. Nonconforming Evangelical, main line and liberal Christian institutions would no longer be allowed to function. Society would revert to the laws and punishments of the Hebrew Scriptures. Any person who advocated or practiced other religious beliefs would be tried for idolatry and exterminated. Blasphemy, adultery and homosexual behavior would be criminalized; those found guilty would be executed. To our knowledge, this is the only religious movement in North America in which many of its members advocate genocide for followers of minority religions. Ralph Reed, the executive director of the conservative public policy group the Christian Coalition has criticized Reconstructionism as "an authoritarian ideology that threatens the most basic civil liberties of a free and democratic society."

<snip>

Practices:

If they gained control of the US or Canadian federal government, there would be many changes:

the use of the death penalty would be greatly expanded, when the Hebrew Scriptures' laws are reapplied. People will be executed for adultery, blasphemy, heresy, homosexual behavior, idolatry, prostitution, evil sorcery (some translations say Witchcraft), etc. Presumably that would be done by stoning people to death or burning them alive, as the Bible requires.

more...

[Fridays Child]

13. Remember bush's CNP campaign speech that no one was allowed to hear?

The Institute for First Amendement Studies' "Freedom Writer" tried to acquire the tape of bush's speech to a CNP conference, given in late 1999. The company that records CNP proceedings sent the IFAS every tape from the conference EXCEPT for the one containing bush's speech, citing orders from the bush campaign to exclude it.

That whole episode stank to high heaven, back then, and it still stinks, today.

Here's a link to a copy of the original story by Freedom Writer (warning: this is a popup-intense site):
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/brambles/499/Bush/W_Hiding/w_hiding.html

And here's what ABC had to say about the Council for National Policy, back in May of 2001:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/council_020501.html

[Mari333]

14. This ELEPHANT IN THE LIVING ROOM

Israel Neocons, Christian Reconstructionists, Tim Lahaye and his insane followers, are all in this together..and no one in the blackout whore media discusses this INSANE US foreign policy based on this delusionary drivel

http://www.iraqwar.org/Armageddonupdates.htm

[Fridays Child]

15. This movement may collapse in on itself but, before it does...

...how many people will be harmed or killed by the policies of its proponents?

There are some psychopathic egos involved--the most breathtaking of which is probably Moon's--and they can't all be in charge at the same time. So I think (I hope) that they will eat each other alive, at some point.

In the meanwhile, though, American families are slipping further into poverty, GIs are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, whole countries continue to be grotesquely exploited for their resources, people all over the world die of completely preventable diseases such as malnutrition and diarrhea, the ecosystem becomes more and more degraded, and the list goes on.

[dusty64]

24. Wish I shared your optimism, but

if anything it looks like their movement is only gaining power. Once they have total control of our votes the only alternative will be revolution and I hope it isn't violent.

[Resistance Is Futile]

22. One big happy family of religious nutcases

Let's not forget the Christian apocalypse movement, who believe in strengthening Israel as a means of bringing about the apocalypse and rapture. These guys are the glue between the Christian reconstructionists and the Likud backers.

[KittyWampus]

16. Heard Rumsfeld Talking Today

About just a FEW RADICAL PEOPLE in the world, who have their own schools for indoctrinating followers into hate, who are violent and bent on destruction... and I couldn't help think that he was describing himself.... and it applies to these freak fundamnetalists.

[JHB]

32. "A Few Radical People" he said?

From the Guardian's Paul Krugman interview (from Truthout.org):

"The first three pages of Kissinger's book sent chills down my spine," Krugman writes of A World Restored, the 1957 tome by the man who would later become the unacceptable face of cynical realpolitik. Kissinger, using Napoleon as a case study - but also, Krugman believes, implicitly addressing the rise of fascism in the 1930s - describes what happens when a stable political system is confronted with a "revolutionary power": a radical group that rejects the legitimacy of the system itself.

This, Krugman believes, is precisely the situation in the U.S. today (though he is at pains to point out that he isn't comparing Bush to Hitler in moral terms). The "revolutionary power", in Kissinger's theory, rejects fundamental elements of the system it seeks to control, arguing that they are wrong in principle. For the Bush administration, according to Krugman, that includes social security; the idea of pursuing foreign policy through international institutions; and perhaps even the basic notion that political legitimacy comes from democratic elections - as opposed to, say, from God.

But worse still, Kissinger continued, nobody can quite bring themselves to believe that the revolutionary power really means to do what it claims. "Lulled by a period of stability which had seemed permanent," he wrote, "they find it nearly impossible to take at face value the assertion of the revolutionary power that it means to smash the existing framework." Exactly, says Krugman, who recallss the response to his column about Tom DeLay, the anti-evolutionist Republican leader of the House of Representatives, who claimed, bafflingly, that "nothing is more important in the face of a war than cutting taxes".

"My liberal friends said, 'I'm not interested in what some crazy guy in Congress has to say'," Krugman recalls. "But this is not some crazy guy! This guy runs Congress! There's this fundamental unwillingness to acknowledge the radicalism of the threat we're facing." But those who point out what is happening, Kissinger had already noted long ago, "are considered alarmists; those who counsel adaptation to circumstance are considered balanced and sane." ("Those who take the hard-line rightists now in power at their word are usually accused of being 'shrill', of going over the top," Krugman writes, and he has become well used to such accusations.)
more
http://truthout.org/docs_03/092803D.shtml

[knight_of_the_star]

17. Aye Gods!

Why is it that people are NOT mentioning the ties between the GOP and this movement? This would be a slug that would be impossible for them to dodge or absorb.

[Crewleader]

18. Kick Up For MaryPat!

:dem:

http://www.blackboxvoting.com

[Fridays Child]

20. Thank you, Crew!

:loveya: :hug:

[Crewleader]

26. My pleasure friend!

:loveya:

[lostnfound]

30. kick

[Seneca]

25. bump

eom

[dusty64]

27. WAY more important

than candidate bashing threads! :kick:

[Name removed]

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[Crewleader]

31. To The Top!

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