Dean's attack on Clark a huge mistake

[MIMStigator]

Clark is leading all the other DEMOCRATS now and most of them say winning is more important than issues. Dean made a big mistake, his only chance to ever be president was to be Clark's vp

[tjdee]

1. No, his supporters are going to donate 3 million more.

Whenever something like this happens, Dean's money pours in.

So even if he doesn't get the nomination, he is going to be able to make himself a huge thorn in the side of anyone else.

[Kahuna]

2. True but if money is "the" key to winning in 2004...

Dean and everyone else should drop out right now because NOBODY can compete with bush in the money raising department.

I look forward to next week's poll that will show Clark still leading nationally and gaining in the state polls. That will be revenge enough for me. :7

[madison]

3. What was Dean's attack?

What was Dean's attack?

I heard what Dean said, and it didn't seem like an "attack" to me.

[gully]

5. Bravo!!!

:toast:

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. Didn't too me either

:eyes:

[AWD]

14. It was an attack...

....if you're not a Democrat.

He accused somebody (who only became a Dem 25 days ago) of not being a Dem until 25 days ago.

How DARE he???

[KaraokeKarlton]

4. We'll see

Once the press starts talking about Dean beating Clinton's fund raising record for a quarter I suspect the media will lose interest in Clark and turn the focus back on Dean. As a Dean supporter, I'm not at all concerned. I've read where Dean just said that Clark used to be a Republican and stated that he likes Clark. I don't get the impression that it was a "bash" at all. I didn't see the show, though. Obviously Clark supporters are all in a tither over the comment, though. In all fairness, Clark said he has voted for more Republicans over the last few elections than he has Democrats. Maybe he was registered as a Republican prior to becoming a Democrat, who knows. If you like Clark, then support him. If this comment didn't change your opinion of Clark, then why do you assume it would change anyone else's? You need to have more faith in your candidate and be more secure in his appeal to voters. If you can't be, then you are clearly supporting the wrong person.

[Cappurr]

6. Well...he lost me

I was very excited about Dean. I was concerned about his electability, but I liked his spunk. Then Clark came in the race and I was torn. After Dean's stupid remark I am no longer torn. Clark is my candidate

And the Deanies can raise all the money they want...if Dean can't learn to watch his mouth he will get nowhere. And in the event he is actually nominated we will have him and his supporters to thank for another 4 years of Hell.

The real choice is between Clark and Bush and I hope people start to see that. Because I don't belelieve any other Democrat can beat Bush.
They were all too close to the very policies that are failing now (except for Dean and Clark). But Dean doesn't have "it". Clark does.

[KaraokeKarlton]

8. If he "lost" you he never "had" you in the first place

n/t

[Pepperbelly]

10. btw ...

I have seen you do little else but defend Dean. Are you a Dean supporter?

[KaraokeKarlton]

13. Don't you recognize my avatar as the state of Vermont?

Of course I support Howard Dean...he is a GREAT leader and will make a GREAT president. I hated to see him leave as my governor, but I'll feel better about our state losing his superior service if he becomes our president. There's no better person for the job...

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

17. I have seen you do little else but defend Clark.

Aren't you related to Clark?

[QC]

23. If you backslide into sin, you were never saved in the first place.

That's what I was taught in my fundy childhood, but I never dreamed that theory also had political applications.

[Cha]

34. How true how true!

[bpilgrim]

15. what did he say?

it must have been bad if he lost your support over 1 remark.

:hi:

peace

[tjdee]

18. He said Clark was a Republican, and that he supported the war.

Here's the "Face the Nation" thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=421974

[bpilgrim]

19. well was he? and i don't remember him speaking out against the war

during the build up.

Has he come out and said it was an illegal war built on lies? got a link?

i think it was a mystery right up till he announced what party he was for wasn't it?

From where i sit he looks like he is part of the establishment to me not a reformer like we need in these radical times.

:hi:

peace

[Bertrand]

43. You're Kidding

right?

[Jim Sagle]

21. He was, and he did. How DARE Dean tell the truth about him?

[Cappurr]

29. I challange anyone to provide a republican registration for Clark

And as far as speaking about the war, Clark was on CNN months before the war started speaking out against it. He was one of the few who did. And if you didn't see him, go back and get the transcripts. Unless, of course, it is just easier for you to believe a lot of propaganda from your candidate and the Republicans.

[Tatiana]

36. Agreed.

Dean has brought some good things to this race. He's enlightened the public on some important issues. But attacking Clark at this stage doesn't strike me as smart. And honestly, I just think Clark has a better chance at beating Bush.

[alcuno]

7. No wonder Republicans are winning everything.

Democrats are really thin-skinned.

I like them both. I'll vote for either one. I saw the interview and that was no attack.

[Classical_Liberal]

11. I think your oversensitivity is a big mistake

. I am personally disgusted.

[clar]

12. I didn't like it

and I'm a Dean supporter, but your observation that his only chance of becoming President was/is as Clark's vp, is wrong. Dean appeals to a surprising number of people with low unfavorables in all the polls, and his rise to frontrunner from nobody is astonishing. He started out at the very bottom of the pack. If he doesn't get it, whoever does is going to need his foot soldier/volunteers and his organization and proven fund raising abilities.

[noiretextatique]

16. winning is more important than the issues

well...that says it all...thanks.

[jonnyblitz]

20. I noticed that ,too...very telling.

But then that would make us "purists" if we (gasp) cared about issues.

[noiretextatique]

30. indeed...the funny this is

no one ever talks about centrist or conservative "purity" :shrug:

[seventhson]

22. Dean NEEDS to hit Clark hard on his Republipuke background

We ALL do.

AMERICANS ARE FED UP WITH BUSH AND HIS CROWD!!!

CLARK IS PART OF THAT CROWD!

DEAN NEEDS TO SAY IT OVER AND OVER WITH CONVICTION.

IF THE REPUBLIPUKES DON'T LIKE IT THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES

[rjx]

27. I agree but...

Posted by KaraokeKarlton
Once the press starts talking about Dean beating Clinton's fund raising record for a quarter I suspect the media will lose interest in Clark and turn the focus back on Dean.

I hope so. But the Republican media may try to be pretty quiet about that since Clarks Republican past?

[rjx]

28. Huh?

Posted by Cappurr
After Dean's stupid remark...

What did he say?

[He loved Big Brother]

24. His remarks had zero impact

on my reasons for supporting him. So my opinion of him is unswayed, and it would take a lot more than these minor examples of his agressive attitude to change that. Nobody is scripting Dean, he says what he thinks and most of the time it's refreshing to have that candidness from a candidate. There will always be naysayers and/or timid Dems who prefer to remain silent. The alternative choice to that failed stragety is mighty appealing to me right now.

[Cha]

33. Touche!

[blkgrl]

25. The truth hurts, but that doesn't make it an attack

I think its VERY important that we learn EXACTLY where Clark stands. I voted for Zell Miller in 2000 but I will NOT vote for him again--he turned out to be a wolf (republican) in sheep's (democrat's) clothing. Theres nothing worst than giving someone the benefit of the doubt only to be backstabbed.

[Cha]

35. Welcome to DU, blkgrl!

[Vis Numar]

26. OH really!

THe real mistake was Clark not learning until he was nearly 60 years old, that the Republican Party is a big lie. Really, who should own up to their mistakes here? Dean, for asking Clark to explain himself, or Clark who needs to apologize for taking 60 years to get it.

Shit, at the least, an apology of Clark for voting for Nixon, Reagan, and Bush would be necessary.

[knight_of_the_star]

37. Look at history for a bit

The GOP didn't REALLY turn into the evil monster it is now until a bout 10 or 12 years ago. Until then they were pretty well kept in-check, but starting to turn into the thing that they are now. He probably just was surprised at how nasty they turned out to be in this last decade.

[Mairead]

40. erm, Ronnie Ray-gun was elected 23 years ago

The GOP haven't been 'okay' since Ford.

Clark was a full general officer in the Army. One doesn't reach that rank without knowing which side of one's bread the butter is on at any given moment. Claims that Clark is just a poor apolitical so'jer boy with hayseeds in his ears are either laughable or insulting, depending on how seriously the speaker expects to be taken.

[quaker bill]

31. Being a tad presumptive...

I like Clark, Dean, and several other candidates.

That being as it may, it is a long way from where Mr. Clark is to the Whitehouse.

Great resume, no doubt. But his speeches and his policy choices don't really seem to seperate him from the pack.

Perhaps he will "bring it on" later. It needs to happen fairly soon though.

[dfong63]

32. if telling the telling the truth is an "attack", we need more

... attacking dems like Dean. go Howard!

[WillyBrandt]

38. Howard Dean is a LIAR

I'm duping, I know.

But: Dean said Clark advocated the war on Face the Nation (I had said Meet the Press in another place; sorry.)

"That's why I had such strong disagreements with Senator Kerry, representative Gephardt and senator Edwards and Lieberman and now general Clark who also advocated last October that we go into Iraq, despite his opposition to it now."

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/001616.html#more

This is just a lie. Clark did not advocate going to war against Iraq. This is not a big of bombast, or a typical politician's exaggeration. This is just a lie.

[gully]

39. Wes Clark said he would have voted "for" the war resolution..

I have yet to see the 'lie'...

[Mairead]

41. And judging by what he was saying up through his Salon interview

so would Dean have done. Is that the same as 'advocating'?

[salin]

42. great - another thread - with a slight twist

that fits with a bunch of other threads on this topic.

I appreciate your point - but could you make it on one of the existing threads?

Or is no discussion besides Clark or Dean allowed in GD anymore? Because the net effect of starting a thread that fits with several existing threads and that will result in a mirror Dean thread is pushing ALL substantive ISSUE topics off of the front page. Within minutes.

Sorry but this is frustrating.

*this is todays pat response to the proliferation of identical threads that has shut down all other conversations among people, on issues, that are about beating BUSH, fighting back against BUsh policies, but devoid of clark or dean.* If ya'll can spam the forum - then I can spam your threads.

[10digits]

44. Dean needs to...

Blow even harder!