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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:32 PM
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Bush's war on drug is Pot even though 58% Cops says Meth is worse
Great article in Newsweek this week about the exploding Meth war. But what really got me all up in a gander was a few things.

Cops nationwide rank methamphetamine the No. 1 drug they battle today: in a survey of 500 law-enforcement agencies in 45 states released last month by the National Association of Counties, 58 percent said meth is their biggest drug problem, compared with only 19 percent for cocaine, 17 percent for pot and 3 percent for heroin

So, knowing that the cops think Meth is a problem we need to focus on what's Georgie's solution?....

And, amid the wreckage, a pressing political debate: are we fighting the wrong drug war? The Bush administration has made marijuana the major focus of its anti-drug efforts, both because there are so many users (an estimated 15 million Americans) and because it considers pot a "gateway" to the use of harder substances

Read more of the article here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8770112/site/newsweek/
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:34 PM
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1. They are in the pocket of the pharma industry
which is dead set against medical maryjane.

It gets easier and easier to see through McChimp's agenda. :)
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:23 PM
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13. I was thinking the same thing
when I saw the topic!
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 10:17 PM
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18. big pharma's a minor player if they're involved at all
The way this works is:

1. prison profiteers soak up money per-prisoner (slave labor and govt. funds)
2. corrupt govt. legislates to eliminate drug competitors by force of arms
3. drug sales are used to fund black ops for further profit (e.g. Latin American coup d'etats, death squads, etc.)
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:40 PM
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2. 17 percent of cops think Pot is the biggest drug problem?
That can't be right can it? Even the stupidest cop in world wouldn't believe that.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:41 PM
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5. I can't believe it's higher than herion
that even shocked me. But I figured those are probably the 17% that buy the crap that the Bush administration is telling them.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:41 PM
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3. ohhhh....the irony of his statement...
it`s true just look at him--pot, booze, and coke. i guess george knows what he is talking about!
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:41 PM
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4. Bush is just a hack
Who has nothing better to do than waste taxpayer money on his criminal
ventures, killing people, tossing innocent civilians in prison and
destroying the constitution.

This is typically in-character, that what can be said. The entire
war on drugs users is a farce. Drugs are cheaper and more widely used
than ever before in history. The war has accomplished nothing at all,
and bush's job is to pretend the war still works for a coupla more
years whilst him and his buddies in the prison-industrial complex
fleece the taxpayers of a few more billions to rape and destroy their
own kids.

It is so cynical, that there is not a drop of goodwill left. The
police exist to destroy citizen rights. Citziens exist to pay for
the police, and government exists to repress the citizens. Isn't
that what the declaration of independence set about to fix in the
first place?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:56 PM
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9. Of course the War On Drugs
has accomplished something...exactly what they wanted it to accomplish. It made making war against the civilian population of this country something to be applauded.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:47 PM
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6. It's a good article. Cops see the fallout from meth everyday. Add some ER
docs assessments and you have a pretty convincing case, imo.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:53 PM
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7. Of course meth is worse...
Edited on Sun Jul-31-05 07:54 PM by Mythsaje
and any cops who say otherwise are either, stupid, stoned, or corrupt.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:54 PM
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8. There's also this garbage about weed being a gateway drug.
That's been beat to death for so long.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:57 PM
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10. Like I tell people sometimes...
POT isn't the gateway drug.

Sugar is.

That's the first "high" a lot of kids experience.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:12 PM
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11. The gateway drug to meth is alchohol
In the highly affected rural areas, people get into meth through seedy bars, not through pot. Pot is the hippy drug, and most geebers are not hippies, they are hicks, or poor rural people.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:35 PM
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15. Gateway drug? BULLSH**
The ONLY reason it could be remotely considered a gateway is, in fact, due to the gatekeepers that most are forced to deal with.

Legalize pot, put it in the liquor store and in your backyard gardens and that gateway goes away.

Gateway drug is such bullshit anyway. As if there's some door you walkthrough into the world of smack and meth. People who come up with this crap obviously never partook of the experimentation. I remember being lectured by some dimwitted counselor/psych that I got into an argument with who never tried pot, but was convinced its use led to spousal abuse. Geez, alchohol is legal, so its use must not have any part in that equation.... oh man..I get SOOO WORKED UP over this issue...

POT is less harmful than either cigarettes or alcohol..and yet it's illegal.. These people are such hypocrites.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:19 PM
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12. Hawaii's Ice epidemic started after Operation Green Harvest
cut down all the pakalolo.

Free pakalolo = no crystal meth problem
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:24 PM
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14. of course
Edited on Sun Jul-31-05 08:24 PM by G_j
pot smokers are often artists, poets and people who tend to prefer nonviolent methods of problem solving.
These dangerous people would rather listen to music than start a war. It is war on a segment of the population, just as the crack laws are aimed at blacks.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:39 PM
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16. THANK YOU!
You nailed it. I ask people..ever been to a concert where everyone is floating on a cloud of pot smoke? Now contrast that to one where alcohol is being injested.

Two different worlds entirely.
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:52 PM
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17. My wife works with cops and they say the same thing.
The main reason that cops are against pot is that it is illegal, thus they must fight it. They are against people smoking pot, but they are also by and large anti-alcohol.

Meth, however, scares the hell out of them. The majority of theft and domestic disturbance calls in Portland are a result of meth. Meth users are desperate and have super human strength. They have absolutely no sense of good judgement left.

My very own brother was on a meth jag and stole checks from our parents while they were out of town. I assume he wanted more meth. He wrote them to himself and cashed them to the tune of about $5000. He is an incredibly book-smart guy, but his common sense went out the window. He truly thought he wouldn't get caught or just plain didn't care.

I've never seen anyone get really stoned and have the motivation to steal anything except maybe a cookie or a bag of chips.

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