How does voting for the bankrupcy bill and CAFTA make one a centrist?

[dsc]

I can see some point to the DLC being centrist. Clearly opposing things like same sex marriage is currently a centrist position. That doesn't mean I have to like that position but I must admit it is popular for now. But how are these centrist positions? Where is the big outcry from voters for bankrupcy reform and CAFTA? Am I that clueless about what people really care about?

[K-W]

1. For them the center lies between the middle and upper class. EOM

[ulysses]

2. they're more accurately corporatist.

Not all centrists are corporatists.

[Deep13]

3. They can kiss big business ass ...

... while still being pro-choice.

[Toots]

4. Maybe you could tell us why the people would like the two bills

Explain the benefits to those who have had their jobs outsourced or their bank accounts attached for life without ever gaining relief? I know why large corporations LOVE these bills but not sure why the average American should feel the same.

[dsc]

6. That might be why I am asking

the question as I have no idea.

[Freddie Stubbs]

16. Credit Unions seemed to like the Bankruptcy bill

http://www.cuna.org/gov_affairs/legislative/issues/2005/bankruptcy_impact.html

[Lannes]

5. Im against Cafta,the Bankruptcy bill and for Gay marriage

in churches that sanction them.I dont believe we should demand it of churches that feel differently although there is nothing wrong with respectfully trying to change their minds.But I do consider myself a centrist.

Although I consider almost all of my political stances progressive,I do believe there are times when we have to work with those on the other side who feel the same way we do on certain issues or at least try to tone down down a bill we dont like that would pass anyway.

I reject the notion that we shouldnt agree on a bill because we didnt get everything we wanted out of it.When we are back in control of congress,we can take a tougher stance but for now we have very little power and we should be trying in some circumstances to get what we can out of a particular bill.

Sometimes a bill is just so corrupt that we have no choice but to reject it outright.But we have to know when to say no and when to compromise.Thats what I believe being a centrist is all about.

Someone who voted for cafta didnt do so because they were a centrist IMO,they did it becuase they sold out.I guess we all have different standards for that.But I wish all this talk about all centrists being closet republicans would stop.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

7. They can't care about what they don't know about. MSM has been

very quiet about both.

[bloom]

8. Like Bush* saying that CAFTA would help build the middle class

in Central America - and a lot of people would not have gotten any other POV - if they even heard that.

A lot of people seem to assume that their representatives are doing what is in the best interests of their constituents.

It's too bad.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. I don't think most people even realize what their Reps are doing. No

Excuses here for that. I am sure that people in my congressional district don't have a clue how my Congresswoman is voting. I intend to try to change that. I've been working out ideas for creating a bumper sticker, amongst other ways of getting people around here to think.

[Sapphire Blue]

19. CAFTA has been defended right here by some @ DU

:banghead: . . :mad: . . :grr: . . :puke:

Dontcha know that CAFTA is going to lift people in Central America right up out of poverty??? :sarcasm:

[bloom]

21. There are a lot of corporate apologist neo-liberal

types around here these days.

And as long as they call themselves Democrats - they can say whatever they want. :argh:

:yoiks:

[kentuck]

9. I think they confuse defending corporatism with centrism..?

Anything that promotes corporations and Big Business is assumed by many to be centrist, I think?

[Boredtodeath]

10. It's certainly NOT populist

Boils down to taking corporate money to protect the corporation over the citizen.

Voting AGAINST the people to get in the middle of the road with that yellow stripe down their back.

Trying to accomodate those on the right while excusing their behavior to those on the left.

They are the VERY DEFINITION of the mushy middle.

That's how.

[Al-CIAda]

11. How does wanting to ban birth control make one a right wing wacko? n/t

[davsand]

12. Supporting this crap isn't "Centrist."

It is anti-Dem. Call it what you will-- DLC or some other name-- but selling out the people is just plain wrong. Sending jobs away and screwing over poor people is NOT the way of the Democratic party and ANY Dem that voted Aye for either bill needs to be drummed out of the party.

Fuck them. They are sellouts and corporate whores who hurt us all.


Laura

[Deja Q]

14. Both cater to big corporate interests at the expense of those they serve.

Government needs to work for all; not a handful of few who use money to buy favors.

[1932]

15. Being pro-corporate/anti-worker shouldn't bee seen as centrist today.

I can imagine a time in the past when finding a legitimate balance between the interest of labour and capital might have been centrist (say, 1950s-1973). However, today, a vote for CAFTA is undermining the foundation of the economy (ie, the middle class). It's not centrist to do that. It's very very right wing. It's radical.

[JHB]

17. They're the center compared to...themselves

They call themselves "centrist" so they can imply that everyone else is 'off-center'. Once they've defined themselves as "centrist", it then implies that what they support must also be "centrist".

Circular logic.

[Lannes]

18. I get it..

You can pigeonhole what a centrist is but when a centrist defines him or herself its elitist.

[wli]

20. it's not, it's fascist extremism