Did anyone just watch The View?

[julialnyc]

They had two boys in their mid-20's who went to an program called Exodus that they say changed them from gay to straight.

No one except that little blond were being at all excepting, but man........why give these people such a spot light!

[smbolisnch]

1. I saw it.

Did you see when they asked him if he was attracted to women now? He said "I'm getting there." :eyes:

[Justitia]

6. Yup, he's 24 and is now waiting for marriage. Lucky girl. -eom

[julialnyc]

19. with the 150 locations Exodus has

there are lots of "lucky girls" out there.

[BlueIris]

54. Yep. There's misery-in-waiting.

As a straight female who was involved in a long relationship with a man I found out later was painfully struggling with his attraction to members of the same sex at the time we were together, I can tell you--that's not going to be pretty. Not that you need to have been there to imagine the disaster.

[julialnyc]

56. Oh I've been there too!

My boyfriend moved away for a job and one of my best friends (who is gay) lived where he was moving, so I told him to get in touch with him......... well, they soon became boyfriends (and I can't believe I didn't know he was gay.......my three best friends are gay..... they were just bridesmen in my wedding!......I thought I would figure that one out!I suppose my friend did me a favor!)

[julialnyc]

9. I feel sorry for him

His parents really fucked up his head (and he was saying his friends were happy for him that he came to terms with being gay).

[skypilot]

20. Wait a minute!!!

What did this guy look like? Did he have a goatee and kind of a shag haircut with blond hilights? I ask because I watched video footage of a news report about the ex-gay movement that someone posted here last week and there was a guy who was saying that we he came out all of his friends were very supportive and he became somewhat popular. He seemed to be implying that he was only being gay because of all the attention it brought him.

[julialnyc]

22. that could be him

He did have a shaggy blond hairstyle.


He also did say about friends being accepting in a way that implied that there was a seduction in attention (he said people kept telling him how happy they were for him)

[long_green]

33. I think you saw the CNN thing that I saw last week

it told the story of a "conversion camp" run by some fundamentalist group in Memphis.
The stunner in that story was the boy's father, who said that he'd had enough and was exercising his rights as a parent (to ship his son off to get "cured"). God, what a bastard.

[skypilot]

37. Yeah, that's the report I saw.

Scary parents. Very...scary...parents. With parents like that I'm sure being gay will eventually be the least of his worries.

[JAbuchan08]

31. Question: How many gays have destroyed a marraige?

Answer: As many as have pretended to be straight only to have their sham marriages fall apart.

[blondeatlast]

45. Dingdingding! No more calls, we have a winner! nt

[JaneQPublic]

39. Remember Exodus leader John Paulk?

If not, run a google search of him and include the name of a certain Washington DC bar, "Mr. P's."

[julialnyc]

46. I googled him

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/Paulk-Southern%20Voice.html


check out his bio
http://www.anotherway.com/pages/john.html

[julialnyc]

47. I had to post his bio

John Paulk

FORMER HOMOSEXUAL, FORMER MALE PROSTITUTE, FORMER FEMALE IMPERSONATOR


"Growing up, I heard it all...sissy, queer, fag. Naturally, I believed I was born gay."

I always remember feeling "different" from other boys...I was rejected a lot and the names they called me always hurt. My dad walked away from us when I was four, and I lived with the insecurity that everyone I really loved would walk away, too. Then, as an adult, after trying to fill my emotional needs in homosexual relationships, I created a different personality, "Candi," and lived through her as a female impersonator...it was the only pride I had. But then I met God and He wanted to show me my true identity as a man. I finally found the acceptance I'd been craving all along. I found that His love was completely unconditional. And while Christ was helping me heal the hurt I had buried in my other "self," He showed me He would accept and love me and never leave, ever. Today, I'm happily married and I hear "man, husband, and Christian." I wonder, how many can say the same thing about their own relationships right now?

[SammyWinstonJack]

2. The reason I don't watch the view.

"that little blonde". Repuke.

[Teaser]

3. I have no doubt

that some small number of sexually confused individuals can have their sexuality successfully altered by a program of intensive propaganda like Exodus. But the vast majority of these people are sexual time bombs, primed for periodic explosions of their sexual nature by this insane outfit.

The resultant ping-ponging in and out of Exodus as "sexuality recidivists" oscillate between their natural sexuality and guilt ridden periods of abstinence and forced heterosexual activity is what keeps Exodus going.

[Booster]

18. I have no doubt either, but I believe the ones who change their

sexuality are probably bi-sexual to begin with. I have known a lot of people of both sexes who swung both ways and eventually ended up in a straight marriage; a famous name comes to mind Anne Heache (sp?), but I really don't believe a true gay person can be changed.

[Teaser]

23. I think there is a continuum

of sexuality. On the ends there are certain people who are hard gay or hard straight, and nothing else. And in between there are people with a mixture of tendencies. We tend to collapse this middle group into "bisexual" but it's more complicated than that. I think Exodus primarily goes to work on people in this complex middle region, and pushes them around inside its boundaries.

[julialnyc]

25. I don't think Exodus just goes after bisexual

(or as you put it not hard gay or straight)

It is a religious program that cures the "sin". Parents force their kids into this crap.

[Teaser]

27. Oh I agree

But the program only has results on a small number of people in the middle continuum. The hard gays and straights just get a lifetime of psychospiritual damage and oscillating guilt/forgiveness cycles.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. That's what I always ask

How do you know you were really gay? How do you know you weren't just bi-sexual? It seems to me these people were that. On that CNN segment they had at the end this guy who was gay talking and he told how he goes to church with his boyfriend and I think he does a lot of social work or something like that or phsychological work. One of those, but the CNN segment was way more fair and balanced then this. It's probably the same people.

[FreedomAngel82]

21. Something I wonder

is if these people just keep everything inside if one day they'll just burst. Especially sexual feelings. If you deny yourself that um time to yourself so to speak and all that then your harmones will build up. I know with me when my harmones build up I feel like popping my body up. So would this happen to them? Can they last without feeling that way sexually? Do they ignore harmonic feelings all together or what?

[julialnyc]

24. self loathers tend to take it out on the people

who are just like them deep down inside.


I would bet a huge number of homophobes are gay themselves.

[XemaSab]

30. I don't think people

should participate in anything that attempts to persuade them to change their sexuality at all.

It's something that comes from within a person, and trying to change that is pretty messed up.

[Justitia]

4. yes, it was sickening. They never answered "are you flawed if gay?" -eom

[julialnyc]

8. I know

They were saying that they don't think it is a choice either, but they still think it is wrong (they didn't say that they thought it was wrong, but they obviously do). They were talking about homosexuality like it was a mental disease.

[FreedomAngel82]

32. I wonder

do they think it's wrong from their own choice to think that or because of what others have said?

[FreedomAngel82]

5. The more important question is

why don't they find someone who went through the program and DIDN'T change? And I saw a CNN segment from Paula Zhann about this and she and the person she was interviewing was saying how they DON'T KEEP TRACK of ANYTHING. So in other words they don't know. So how do we know these people aren't just paid stooges for this nonsense? And I'd like to see what these people are up to in five years. At least on the CNN segment it was pretty fair and balanced with all types of sides talking about these programs. But hey if you think you can change your ways and don't want to be gay and want to go through these programs then whatever. Doesn't bother me. I just don't want false information out.

[KurtNYC]

11. Here is some of that info...

http://www.lionking.org/~kovu/bible/section10.html

Another example is Kent Philpott's book, The Third Sex, in which he gives the testimonies of six homosexuals who supposedly became heterosexual. Within a year after the book was published, all six of the people written about sent notarized affidavits to the publisher, stating that the book was untrue and that they were all still homosexuals. Nevertheless, the book continued to be printed and sold to an unwary public for eight years afterwards. To this day, people are "praising God" for changes that never took place. The continued publication of that book, along with its promulgation for eight years after having received written denials from the subjects themselves, highlight the extent of deception fundamentalists are willing to go to foster belief in a goal based on illusion rather than reality. With fundamentalism it appears that honesty and truth are expendable items.

Another question, how can these organizations practice psychiatry without a license?

[julialnyc]

13. I know

How can they practice fake psychiatry?

Preying on people to make them feel as if something is wrong with who they are as a person seems very very wrong.


I wonder the age guidelines with this program?

[FreedomAngel82]

34. The View should've had that information

and that author on if they are taking this subject seriously. And on the CNN segment they told how those places don't have licenses and one (the main one I think) is being looked at and everything. Should be intersted on what happens.

[I Know How To Do it]

7. Which is funny because I watched some of, "The View" and it made me

feel somewhat gay.

[Strawman]

10. Michael Moore could really do a good job on this

Reunite the crew from the Sodomobile and crash this camp.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Hey yeah

I'd like that. Or some other indie film maker like Moore. I would probably trust Moore more to get the real truth of everything. Maybe if enough people write to him he might consider it?

[auburngrad82]

12. If I'm not mistaken the chairman of Exodus International was seen

coming out of a gay bar in Washington, DC. John Paulk at first claimed he went in for a glass of lemonade and then owned up to cruising men.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. LOL!

Seriously?

[auburngrad82]

43. Absolutely. Google John Paulk and gay bar and see what comes up nt

[flordehinojos]

14. just wait until those two guys in their 20s find themselves liking a same

sex person ... homosexuality cannot be changed...but people can be trained not to act on it.

[KLF44]

15. It's Brainwashing

no question about it.

[otohara]

16. I Bet When They Are in Their Mid-Thirties

or sooner, they will once again accept the fact that they are gay. In the mean time, they may try women, get married even have children. Then comes the divorce part - I knew a bunch of gay men who tried really hard to be straight when they were young. Now they are all in their 50's. Luckily, many maintained civil relationships with ex-wives, especially when kids were involved and are now giddy grand parents.

[FreedomAngel82]

40. Oh of course

I think so too. Right now being "pro-family" is a fad because George Bush "won" the last election.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. Yes...now they like women with large pecs, short hair

and big dicks!

[RetroLounge]

38. ...

:spray: :spray: :spray: :spray:

RL

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

55. at least someone noticed :)

[alfredo]

26. He made a slip and said men instead of women. When he was

talking about sexual attraction.

also


When they asked if he has had sex with a woman yet, he responded that he is waiting until he is married. Do I sense an impending disaster?

[FreedomAngel82]

41. Oooo!

LOL. Hilarious. I wonder though if this guy is just doing a show and being paid to say this stuff he is. Or if he really believes it himself.

[AlCzervik]

29. You know i swear i already lived through the 80's

and now i feel like i'm going through it again. Cold War, rise of the fundies and gay conversion camps. It's only a matter of time before things tip in the other direction, please let us have a good candidate in 08.

[FreedomAngel82]

42. As they say

history is repeating itself. I highly believe that. And I believe we go around and around in circles until we learn. Some things may not come back but it depends on what lessons we learn this time around.

[julialnyc]

44. Please be right!!!

There seems to be no end in sight!

Please let's repeat the 90's next!!!!!!

[Lorien]

53. The '80s were nowhere near this bad

Where I grew up (central Ohio) things were downright LIBERAL compared to the way they are today. Fundies were scorned by everyone I knew-and now some of those people ARE fundies!

[Democracy White]

48. You cannot deny what is natural

I have been through soemthing that was similar... I was a practicing Muslim for a year and a half and I was listening to practioners that would be considered fundamentalists. I have been told that getting married was "half of the deen." I have been told that being homosexual was a sin and Allah was sure to send me to hell for it.
So in my quest to "please" Allah and to remain true to the deen, I repressed my natural instinct of homosexuality. The results were that I became depressed. Nervous whenever I met with a man to discuss marriage, and I then began questioning my faith. I began to feel that if a religion's doctrines taught intolerance than it wasn't for me. (Plus the thing about not being able to draw did it for me.)

Some people don't want to accept the fact that there are others out there that life their lives differently and that God/dess Divine still accepts them.

A question I brought up to my mom: (who accepts me for the way I am BTW) If God created everybody, including gays, wouldn't he have some gayness in Him?

He had to in order to create them, just as he has to have feminity in order to create women.

An artist cannot conceive of an idea if he doesn't know what it is first.

Dee

[julialnyc]

49. and fear is the only tool

the ignorant know how to use on people they don't understand............. and the fear of hell seems to be the hogwash that people get the most drunk on.

[KamaAina]

50. Did Star have anything to say?

Her new husband has been spotted frequently at NYC gay hangouts. I was just wondering if she had any, um, special insight into the issue...

[julialnyc]

51. 4 of the hosts

were grilling these boys (Star, Joy,Meridith, and Barbara) to a certain extent (Joy the most so when the guy was talking about promiscuous relationships and cheating.............. she said "you seriously think that being promiscuous and cheating isn't things that straight people do just as much of")

[KG]

52. now, they're ready to enlist!