I Just Paid $2.52 a Gallon for Gas...

[Pilotguy]

Why is no one screaming about this? If there were a Democrat in the White House, all the right-wing radio hatemongers would be going ballistic.

[tk2kewl]

1. you're lucky

i paid 2.65 on sunday

[GetTheRightVote]

2. I am screaming all the way, can not believe it while Oil companies

make biggest profits ever in their history.

:kick:

[Bleacher Creature]

3. Quote from George Bush on June 28, 2000

While he was running for President during the last year of the Clinton Administration:

"I would work with our friends in OPEC to convince them to open up the spigot, to increase the supply. Use the capital that my administration will earn, with the Kuwaitis or the Saudis, and convince them to open up the spigot.”

[Erika]

6. Yeah, Bush & his oil buddies are laughing all the way

to the bank. They fooled the Bushbots and they keep on fooling them.

[lostinacause]

89. Do you really think that it is his fault that the prices are so high?

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Welcome to DU. Don't scream about the gas prices.. scream about the lack o

affordable hybrids...

[JDPriestly]

13. The hybrids are what are pushing prices up out here in

California. How is ethanol transported to California? Does anyone know. I had heard that it cannot be sent through a pipeline. Is that true?

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Gas/electric hybrids are driving gas prices up?

[JDPriestly]

35. No, not hybrids,

Ethanol, which I understand cannot be piped into California. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. What?

Please explain how hybrid cars are driving gas prices up.

I'm all ears.

[Lorien]

78. SUV and Hummers push it up ev everywhere else

Supplies cut short by their monstrous demands (and those of profit greedy BushCo and friends).

[NickB79]

83. Hybrids do not require ethanol to run

No idea where that came from.

[Strelnikov_]

5. Enjoy. I Figure We Will Be Lucky If It Is Less Than $5/gal Next Year

this time.

[hatrack]

7. Want to scream? Consider $10 billion + in oil & coal company subsidies!

That's our bold visionary energy "policy", thanks to Commander Codpiece and his merry band of thieves. :puke:

[Strelnikov_]

10. And The Hybrid Tax Credit Is Only Good For The 1st 60,000 Vehicles

a company sells.

Toyota and Honda will have sold their allotment eligible for the full tax credit within 6 months of it's implementation.

http://www.peakoil.com/article6143.html

The energy bill sets up a complex formula that begins restricting eligibility for the tax credit once an automaker sells 60,000 gas-electric hybrids or cleaner burning diesels, known as advanced lean-burn vehicles.

Once an auto company hits the 60,000 mark, it has the remainder of that fiscal quarter plus one additional quarter in which buyers of its vehicles can receive the full credit. The credit ranges from $250 to $3,400 depending on the fuel efficiency of the vehicle.

During the two quarters immediately after the cars and trucks of the automakers become ineligible for the full credit, buyers would receive 50 percent of the credit. The next two quarters after that, the credit is 25 percent. The credit is phased out entirely at the end of the fifth full quarter after the automaker sells 60,000 hybrids or advanced diesels.

By capping the credit, Congress has limited the incentives available to companies that have been at the forefront of hybrid technology. "Ironic isn't it?" said Ed Cohen, Honda's vice president for government and industry relations. "It really does create market mismatch." Because Toyota already produces many hybrids, its vehicles could become ineligible for the full credit during the first year.

[davidinalameda]

8. you're obviously not in the San Fran bay area

we've been paying that much for a while

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. You're right!

The only thing the repukes had to bitch about when Clinton was Pres was his sexual mishaps, which was no ones business. The Country and the World under bush**co, Inc. is falling apart and yet these hypocrites won't admit it.

[whistle]

11. Maybe it's time to convert to metric to soften the sting of escalting

...gasoline prices here in the U.S.

1 US gallon = 3.7854118 liters

gasoline price = $0.666 per liter

Oh my God!!!!

[walldude]

25. That's how they charge in Europe

and they pay a hell of alot more for gas than we do. I wouldn't be suprised if prices hit $5 a gallon next year...

[rabbit2484]

12. And it's probably the lowest you'll ever pay again

[Warren DeMontague]

14. WHAT??????!?!?!?!?! THAT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

Doesn't anybody understand that you have a god-given, 'Merkin RIGHT to cheap gas?!?!

Particularly since it's an infinite, ever-replenishing resource that is NEVER GOING TO RUN OUT!!!!!

...Right?

My advice, Buddy? Buy a Hybrid, or better yet, a bicycle. It's only gonna get worse.

[wolframtarant]

17. Ugh...

$2.39 back in MA, but "only" $2.19 down here in SC, where I am for the week!

[QC]

32. Well, that was certainly a constructive, intelligent response.

Maybe it's time to go beddy-bye.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. Really? And what, pray tell, would you call a "constructive, intelligent"

response to the N-teenth lets-all-tear-out-our-hair thread complaining (again!) about those "ridiculous gas prices"?...

And why are they ridiculous? I guess the bedrock concepts of supply and demand, and free markets, only apply when it's not a royal pain in the ass to fill up the Escalade..

The OP wanted screaming, so I screamed. What I don't understand is why people expect to gripe endlessly about gas prices and figure there should be some kind of bottomless resovoir of sympathy and understanding, particularly here. Yes, I drive, you drive, we all drive, but I also comprehend that a) our global petroleum addiction is the number one threat to the continued survival of the human race on this planet, and b) if the true costs of our gasoline (environmental, social, what-have-you) were factored in at the pump, we'd probably be paying ten bucks a gallon, if not more.

What astounds me is that some people seemingly have never considered the notion that a black goo that we pump out of the ground might some day run out.

What should I have said? "There, there, it'll get better"?. Would THAT have been "constructive"?

Anyone who thinks they have a "right" to cheap gas is deluded, and if they don't understand that it's a finite resource (with all that entails), they're living in major denial.

[QC]

40. Well, for starters, you could get off your high horse

and stop being so fucking condescending. That would be a nice start.

Then you might consider that everyone is not so fortunate as you to live in a place with decent mass transit. For such people, high gas prices are a genuine hardship.

Lastly, you might drop some of the projection. Nobody said anything about Escalades here except you.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. I'm sorry if my speaking the truth constitutes being on a high horse

or, worse, "fucking condescending". Hey, at least I didn't tell someone it was "time to go beddy-bye". That's gotta win some kind of fucking condescenscion award.

You're right, that gas is sure 'spensive. Look, it sucks, okay? But I didn't do it. I think hybrids and bicycles are concrete suggestions, offered to HELP. What else would constitute a constructive suggestion? Here's one:

Instead of the incessant griping about gas prices, as evidenced by the ever present "Can you believe gas is $2.54 a gallon? Grumble, Grumble, Robble, Robble, Grumble! It's OUTRAGEOUS!" thread, how come no one ever posts THIS:

"I paid $2.54 a gallon for gas today. You know, our country can blow $200 Billion and thousands of young lives on a war based on lies, but we can't have a manhattan-style project to develop clean, renewable energy sources to power our shit and end our dependence on foreign oil!?! It's OUTRAGEOUS!"

No, clearly, demanding cheaper gas (because addicts are always in a position to be issuing orders to their dealers) is the most effective, long-term solution to this problem.

Oh, and as far as "you live in a place with decent mass transit".. Um, you mean the state of California, where the Auto Companies bought up all the train tracks in the 1950s; for use as highly valuable crabgrass farms?

...Good one!

[karlrschneider]

79. Your sarcasmometer needs to be calibrated...

:eyes:

[elare]

18. 94 cents a litre here ...

which is almost $4/gallon. Quit complaining ... comparatively speaking, your gas is cheap

[smbolisnch]

20. Wow....

That's insane. How can you guys afford that? Are you in the UK?
On edit: I see...Canada. :)

[elare]

21. Nope

In Canada, and the gas here is still way cheaper than in Europe, so I'm not bitching.

[deadparrot]

23. Gas in Europe is crazy.

:crazy:

[smbolisnch]

24. My little Nissan gets great gas milage.

I can't imagine having to pay to fill up a huge gas guzzler. Yikes.

[fujiyama]

38. WHile you and Europe pay higher prices for gas

isn't part of the reason for the cost the higher taxes on fuel?

Atleast your taxes are more effectively spent. You atleast have universal healthcare.

[Art_from_Ark]

72. Well considering that 94 Canadian cents is 77 US cents at the current rate

and one US gallon is equal to 3.76 liters, you're really only paying about $2.90/gallon for gas up there.

A bargain compared to the $1.00+/liter here in Japan

[Heddi]

19. $2.40-$2.80 in Eastern Washington

a little cheaper if you're rual, but not by much.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. The king is dead

So gas goes up.

[Heddi]

31. Gas has been up LONG before the king died

I paid $2.53 3 weeks ago for low grade garbage gas. I got a reprive this weekend--went to the boonies and got to pay $2.41. I felt like buying a few gas cans and filling them up too, you know, rolling with the good times :eyes:

I remember when gas was .89 a gallon. My ma said that once it hit $1 it would never go down again. She was absolutely right. she about had an aneurysm when it hit $1.05...oh so many years ago....

[Alcibiades]

26. Smmochie-smoochie

We really need to get those pictures of Bush kissing Saudi Crown Prince--I mean, King--Abdullah, and the ones where they are holding hands, out there in the public. They need to be on posters, on leaflets out in Red state territory.

The subtext being, of course, not only did we invade the wrong country, but nobody in this administration is going to do anything about it, because they are too busy having really hot, deeply gratifying gay sex with the Sauid royal family.

[Broken_Hero]

27. Yeah, its nuts.

Its not that bad here(Southwest Missouri). I filled up yesterday and it was 2.09 dollars, but really folks, anything over 2 bucks a gal is freaking insane. I debated a republican about the gas prices about three months ago, and he said this "Well, Gas is still less expensive per gallon than milk is, so stop complaining." My rebuttal was this "Well, when i go to the supermarket, i'm not buying 15 gallons of milk, twice a week." Gas is out of control, but so is our materialisistic society. I see rich white girls driving hummers around, i see people driving around SUV's and what have yous, and what for? Really? Why are they driving them? Essentially its the Neighbor Syndrome, meaning=I gotta have better/bigger things than my neighbor so I look better.

We need better conservation, but we also need to employ mass transits, like subways, busses, and hybrid cars, and more fuel efficent vehicles. But like some people on DU say, maybe its time to buy yourself a Huffy Bike, and start peddling. I know for a fact, that gas next summer will be well over 3 dollars a gallon, but will the WH care? Of course not, no one really gives a damn, and most RW people I talk to complain about the gas prices, but still vehemetly defend their Monkey in Chief, but who knows, maybe that huffy bike will get me back into shape....:)

[Alcibiades]

71. Rich white girls in southwest Missouri drivin Hummers?

Of course all the rich girls you run into are white--you live in southwest Missouri! The surprising thing is that there are rich girls in your neck of the woods at all.

You buy your milk at the supermarket? You should pick it up at the Braum's in Neosho, because that way you can get a cherry lime aid, or slush with real fruit juice!

They reprinted Coat of Arms in ninth edition--and Rathi Dragon!

[Broken_Hero]

73. Yep...

Girl i saw was in Joplin, just the other day, she could barely look over the steering wheel. I do buy my milk at supermarkets. I dont' go to braums cause they charge to much for their stuff, albiet its pretty good. And i all ready have the Coat of Arms, and 4 rathi dragons, from the tempest set. There is money here in SW missouri, its just really concentrated, most people here are chicken gut workers for tyson, or simmons...i am in Goodman, you?

[tkmorris]

76. Holy Mackerel! Liberals in SW Missouri?

I lived in Anderson Mo for a short while. Beautiful area but I could not take the people at all. I never met a Liberal in my whole time there. I felt like a fugitive, like if anyone ever found out what I REALLY thought I'd get run out of town on a rail.

Oh and the chicken plants. I pity the people who have to work in those hellholes, truly I do.

[Broken_Hero]

80. Ha, my inlaws live in Anderson.

My wife was born and raised in this area, i'm from alaska. McDonald county truly is backwards, really, it is. Well, its nice to meet another liberal in this county, i am surprised everytime i see someone not support bush, or not have a pro bush sticker on their truck/van/suv around here. Nice to meet you pal. The people here are nuts, all about beer, sex, and trucks, and church. And those don't mix well.

I have been here for almost two years, was married here in goodman. I don't like it here at all really, i miss alaska. The backwards thought here astounds me, but again, i'm starting to get use to that, but is that a good thing?...:)

[Alcibiades]

84. Springfield

Or I did, two years ago. I live in Durham now. My wife and me may be transferring back to Springfield this summer, if the powers that be so ordain it. I love that part of the country. I agree with you on Braums on the milk, though I did buy all my ice cream there, and the burgers are darn good, compared to what you get at most fast food places. Sadly, I am down to two coats of arms and one lone rathi. I had to bring it up, being as how you're a liberal from Southwest Missouri who plays magic--which all go together, except for the Southwest missouri part. Pretty much the most Republican part of the country--Bush has been to visit, what, 10 times since he's been president?

[Broken_Hero]

85. Ha, funny...

I haven't played magic for a long while. I taught my wife how to play, but it isn't the same, she is still such a begginer at it. I only have one Coat of Arms, so you got me beat there, but i do have 4 Rathi dragons, i have a ton of dragons. Yeah, according to the papers after the elections last Nov, bush got over 7000 votes, and kerry got about 1500 or so. My wife and I are both liberals to boot, she is such a character. To my knowledge, i don't think GWB has been here at all, at least during my stay here. I know the Dick Cheney has stopped at Walmarts home offices a few times, my wife got to see one of his HATE LIBERAL speeches April of 04, and boy, does my wife dislike that man.

I have been to springfield a few times, they have a 5$ dollar store and a 1$ store that i go to oh so very often, usually for xmas presents and crap. I didn't spend to much time in Springfield, been there about 3 times. I have no clue where Durham is, so im clueless. Oh by the way, gas in SW Missouri today, 2.14 cents, it went up five cents today, frigging great.

[Alcibiades]

86. Ah that's right

you're closer to the Arkansas end of things. I meant how many times had Bush been in the area--I recall him making a campaign stop in Springfield in the run-up to the 04 election, and I'm pretty sure he was there just recently on his "let's sell privatized social security to the nation" whirlwind tour. I haven't played magic in a while, either, as we just had a baby 6 months ago, though with 9th edition just out, I thought I'd give it a try again.

Spent all of our time in Missouri in Springfield, Branson (for Shogi, etc.,) and Kansas City or St. Louis (for the casinos). Durham's in North Carolina, home of the Durham Bulls, Lucky Strike cigarettes, and Duke University. It's about half an hour from the state capitol, Raleigh, to the east, and so the two towns are often joined together as "Raleigh-Durham." Do not be deceived! The whole concept of Raleigh-Durham is a false one! There is Raleigh, and there is Durham. Raleigh-Durham is only meaningful in the context of the airport that lies between them and serves them both.

[Broken_Hero]

87. Ha...

I asked my wife were Durham Missouri was, she had no clue, i assumed you were still in state, sorry. My wife is half cherokee, her ancesters came from N.C. She always wanted take a trip out there. I was in NC in 2000, i was working for the University of Charlotte, doing a book moving thing. My wife and i are still working on our first, she actually goes in to see a specialist in about a month, well, it was a treat to meet you, keep up the good work, and thank god you left McDonald county, i'm still working on my escape plans....:)

[Skittles]

28. by the end of the year you will be thinking that is a good deal

or so I hear

[lovuian]

29. Well I agree get ready guys cause its only going higher!!!

Its going to change the face of America!!!

What we should be doing is building mass transit like Europe but alas thats not happening!!!

from what I hear from sources in the Oil companies is that Saudi Arabia production is going to fall and the crude coming out of those wells are going to be sludgy!!! In fact a bunch of oil wells are getting sludgy in the world!!! So people no matter what America is staying in Iraq because of those oil fields in there!!!

[goclark]

30. Try $ 2.89 in LA

[fujiyama]

37. Wow

I hadn't heard that gas had almost hit $3/gallon.

I have a friend in CA and I wonder how those with an income of less than 30k a year survive out there (especially in the SF/Bay area and LA).

[David Zephyr]

60. $2.93 in Palm Springs.

Grrrrrrrrrrr.

[deadparrot]

33. My compact car is extremely useful in times like these...

Admittedly, gas prices here aren't nearly as high as they are on the coasts, but I can still fill up 3/4 of a tank for around $20, even at the worst times. Plus, I have a 34-mile round trip to and from work four days a week. Even with that, coupled with everyday errands/activities, I only have to fill up my tank once every week and a half or so.

[maveric]

34. $2.59 in San Diego.

[neweurope]

39. What the hell are you complaining of - I pay 1.22 Euro per LITRE

There are 4.405 Litres in the American Gallon. And 1 Euro is 1.12 US dollar.

I need the car. Still I would NOT complain if gas prices got even higher. We need to preserve! Cars/Oil are terrible for the environment. Please forgive me for wishing you had at least our prices. After all you are already fighting wars for oil. That can't be the solution...

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[rman]

42. Average travel distance in the US is longer then in Europe,

simply because the US is a vast area.
So in a way the US economy 'needs' a relatively low gas price in order to function properly.
Prices in the US increasing to European levels will not immediately kill the economy (nor does it need to, as there are several other forces at work to wreck the economy), but then prices will continue to rise.

[B Calm]

45. How many of you over there in Europe drive 3,000 miles a week?

Almost all US truck drivers do this every week. I know some team drivers that drive close to 6,000 miles a week. I drive an 18 wheeler locally and put over a thousand miles on the truck. The high fuel costs are killing our economy!

[rman]

46. yup, it will hurt before it kills, metaphorically speaking

someone has predicted that the collapse will be when it becomes to expensive to do maintenance on the interstate roads.

[neweurope]

47. The average travel distance may be higher, that's true.

So I guess in order to really be able to compare we'd need to know the average mileage per month and the average income in both countries.

What I'd like to know, though: Why is it that in the US there are so many gas guzzlers if the average mileage is so high? How come the US manufacturers have not developed one of those small gas saving cars?

Of course high oil and gas prices are bad for the economy, that's the same over here. But we already know that mankind cannot go on indefinitely with the lifestyle the West has now. When I imagine the time - probably not far off - that every Chinese has an automobile I get clammy with sweat. Things WILL have to change. I think we should shout for a good, reliable public transportation system (a system even in areas where only few people live) instead of shouting for lower gas prices.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[Strelnikov_]

48. Or Most Of Us Get Twike's (Or Equilavent) To Get To/From Work

and run errands, in a four season environment.

http://www.twike.com/

There are options, like you say. The option no longer available is the status quo.

Small, lightweight electric vechicles with a range of 40 mi./charge would be adequate for most (with some adjustment) to conduct their daily business.

The era of using a 5000 lb., 250 HP 4 wheel drive living room travelling at 70 mph to transport a single 180 lb. human from Pt. A to B is coming to an end.

[neweurope]

49. I absolutely agree with you. And those Twikes are phenomenal.

First time I've heard about them. I checked out the site. Pretty stiff price but then "real" automobiles have a stiff price, also... and if more people bought them they might get cheaper.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[Strelnikov_]

50. Yes. The Price Is Currently Restrictive

I would hope with mass production/more competition vehicles using this concept would be <$10,000. Considering that you can buy a small IC car today for $15,000, I would hope that this price (or less) is attainable.

What I like about the Twike as a concept, over other light weight electric vehicles, is as follows:

- Aluminum space frame. Repairable by your average body shop. No fiberglass or high tech composites that will require scrapping the unit in the event of a minor accident.

- Plastic skin. Same as above.

- Lightweight, low rolling resistance design through use of 'bicycle' type components.

- Through use of 'bicycle' type components, maintenance requirements/costs should be less than an automobile, lend itself to the DIY mechanic.

- All weather design, adequate for the mobility impaired. Electric scooters/bicycles will not be as practical in a four seasons environment, such as the upper Midwest. Can be driven (ridden) by those, who due to physical impairment, could not otherwise ride a bicycle/scooter.

- Minimalist. Only the components required to move a human along with a little bit of cargo.

This concept solves the problem of providing discrete human transport to complete typical daily activities within the context of existing infrastructure in an efficient all season design. Hopefully, the price would eventually reflect the simplicity of design.

Minimize weight, drag, and mechanical resistance, you minimize the energy required to move a human from Pt. A to B.

Mass transit, orig to dest, is just not practical currently in most areas of the US due to suburban sprawl and the distances involved. Vehicles like this one could provide the discrete transport required during the half-century (or more) that will be required to reconfigure/reconstruct the US urban/suburban landscape in an energy-limited world.

[rman]

52. Soon enough gas will be so expensive that these Twikes are cheap

in comparison.
Though production of those things better not be dependant on oil.

[rman]

51. We should be shouting about the government ignoring peakoil

Some of us may realize the Western lifestyle is not sustainable, but the government (essentially all governments) acts as though they don't know.
We should have started changing things 30 years ago, it's to late now.

[B Calm]

41. Why is no one screaming about this? Because they are feeling

really stupid! Many of these right wingers actually thought voting for an oil president would mean cheap gas!!

[rman]

43. Does anyone think gas price will come down sometime?

And if so, why?

[Bushwick Bill]

54. No. Wake up.

http://www.energycrisis.com/images/wakeup!!!.gif

http://www.peakoil.com/sample/
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/PFE307A.html
http://tinyurl.com/dvg9t
http://www.peakoil.org/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4287300/
http://www.drydipstick.com/
http://www.peakoil.net
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5636037/site/newsweek/

"The world faces a global oil supply shortage after 2007, which would threaten economic growth, according to new research by the Oil Depletion Analysis Centre (Odac) which says that not enough major new fields will come on stream to offset declines."
http://www.energybulletin.net/5374.html

"May 2, 2005,
In his press conference last week, President Bush was fixated on the year 2041 as the point that social security will come off the rails financially if not reformed soon. He emphasized the year 2041 several times.
I wonder if the president has done the math on world oil supplies. A year ago (2004) just about any authority would tell you that, based on the current rate of use, the world oil supply would last another 37 years. Which would bring us to 2041. What a coincidence. Of the two issues, social security and oil, I have to think that running out of oil would be the more compelling, since social security will not exist unless there is an industrial society to support it. Inasmuch as industrial society runs on oil, and no combination of alternative fuels can take its place, a reasonable person would have to conclude that we face a hell of a problem."
http://www.kunstler.com/mags_diary13.html

One of the world's leading energy analysts yesterday called for an independent assessment of global oil reserves because he believed that Middle Eastern countries may have far less than officially stated and that oil prices could double to more than $100 a barrel within three years, triggering economic collapse.
Matthew Simmons, an adviser to President George Bush and chairman of the Wall Street energy investment company Simmons, said that "peak oil" - when global oil production rises to its highest point before declining irreversibly - was rapidly approaching even as demand was increasing.
http://www.energybulletin.net/5654.html

"Several new large fields should come online this year, adding extra capacity. These are the last of the 500 million barrel mega fields, since none has been discovered in the past few years. Eighteen new mega projects are due to start producing this year, followed by eleven more is 2006. However, 2007 will see the opening of only three new projects, followed by three more in 2008. This will not keep up with declining production in older fields, much less the increase in demand."
<snip>
"Oil production will begin its decline in 2007 or 2008. At that point repression, both at home and abroad, will begin in earnest. The economy will soon collapse completely (if it does not do so before 2007). People will feel the crunch, and they will become desperate. If you are not prepared in a supportive community intent on transitioning to self-sufficiency, then your chances of surviving are drastically reduced."
http://tinyurl.com/6qm8b

[rman]

59. dunno, looks like most people are avoiding the question

i'm quite awake, but thanks anyway.

[robertpaulsen]

66. Welcome to DU, Bushwick Bill!

Stop over here and say hi sometime!
Peak Oil Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=266

[donsu]

53. gas prices will not go down - only up

articles say when it gets to 3 a gal. many americans will have to make big life changes

[Broken_Hero]

74. Ha, i'm ...

one of the Americans who have to make a lifestyle change now, at 2.09 the price of gas is outrageous. Gas is my wife and I's second largets bill, we pay over 400 bucks a month on gas, and 95% of it is for work transportation. She works for Walmart in Ark, and i'm a Sub teacher. It sucks, i can't explain how bad it sucks. It hurts, and it hurts the ones who are barely making it buy, and not only does the high price of gas, just effect the GAS aspect of life, it effects the prices of items/goods that truck drivers deliver, so we are taking the toll of high gas, on all types of fronts/angles.

[sakabatou]

55. It's around $2.70 here

[ComerPerro]

56. Around '99, my right wing relatives in MO complained about Clinton

when gas went above a dollar a gallon. A dollar!

Do these hypocritical conservative assholes think its perfectly normal for the price of something to double in just four years?

[evil eggplant]

57. drive a corolla

Why do you think we're in Iraq? It's all about oil, my friend. because Americans feel it's their birthright to drive SUV's and run their air conditioning to keep their pets cool.

I hope gas goes up to $10 a gallon, if for no other reason than to laugh at the assholes with their navigators and explorers crying at the pumps.

News flash. The entire civilized pays much more for gas than we do. They pay more for oil because they're unwilling to sacrifice their young to fight and die maintaining the flow of affordable oil.

They also drive efficient vehicles, energy conservation is a way of life for the civilized world.

Yep, lets get gas and oil prices in line with what the rest of the world pays.

You don't like it? Drive a fucking corolla like I do. I get 50mpg on the highway, and cruse in air-conditioned comfort.

[Strelnikov_]

65. “America’s Achilles Heel: The Hidden Costs of Imported Oil.”

Military cost of Persian Gulf oil imports: $1.17/gal.

From: “America’s Achilles Heel: The Hidden Costs of Imported Oil.”
National Defense Council Foundation, Nov. 2003

[LSK]

58. does anyone know if the price of gas has gone up in Europe???

Ours has close to doubled in the past 5 years. Whats it like in Europe?? Do the oil companies only fvck us???

[rman]

61. oh yes it has

people are calling for the government to reduce fuel taxes.

It's not the oil companies fucking us, it's that we're starting to run out of the stuff. It's like the oil crisis in the 70's, except that it's worse this time, it's the last one, and governments are ignoring it.

[truthbetold]

62. Peak oil?

I doubt that. It seems to me it's just Bush and Co. driving up the prices for profit. I don't think it's lack of oil quite yet.
This is killing me. I drive half an hour to a minimum wage job because I live in the boonies. And now, I can barely afford to even get there on my pay.
Something has to be done.

[Chemical Bill]

63. I pay $3.05 for 100% biodiesel.

And I get 38 miles per gallon in the city with my VW diesel. It sure feels nice to support Midwestern farmers instead of Mideastern dictatorships. I know, ADM is not perfect, but the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Bill

[Horse with no Name]

64. It's $1.97 gallon here (Northeast Texas)

A few of our stations had a gas war and its been down for a week.
I suppose when the gas war is over--we'll be paying for it in spades.

[njdemocrat106]

88. 1.97? Wow!

Around my neck of the woods it's around $2.30/gallon.

[Dem_Doin_Business]

67. I don't Scream!!!!

I don't scream cause I had enough foresight to plan for the future by getting an education that helped me open my own company that makes me enough money so that a couple hundred dollars a month extra in gas doesn't adversely affect my way of life.

[donsu]

82. just wait, the adverse affects are on the way to you too

nt

[halsaxby]

68. Maybe the oil companies...

should take a page from the food manufacturers. Instead of increasing the price, they try to mask inflation by decreasing the quantity of product. So when you pump a gallon, it would really be 0.85 gallons.

[donheld]

69. Get used to it n/t

[Redstone]

70. I don't suppose anybody would consider using less gasoline.

Every time I've mentioned that option, all I get is arguments.

But still, it IS an option...

Redstone

[rman]

81. Unfortunately commuting distance does not decrease

with increasing gas price. Finding another job closer by is not easy, certainly not with the high unemployment rate these days. For many people using less gas is not an option. Although i've heard sales of SUVs are down, but not everyone can afford to buy a new car when they think gas is becoming to expensive.

However, people will start using less gas when it simply becomes to expensive for them to drive to their workplace. But by that time these people have more pressing problems besides the price of gas.

These kind of problems are just now beginning to occur;


CBC News
Vancouver, Canada
Marathon talks resume in B.C. container strike
29 Jul 2005
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/07/29/Port...

<snip>
"The major issue is a rise in the cost of fuel, for which drivers have said they aren't being compensated.
They said it costs $350 a day to run a truck but that they are paid between $300 and $400 a day."
<snip>

[Nailzberg]

75. $2.52?!?!? Where are you, I need to fill up at the Lucky Gas Pump.

Here in LA, I'd be happy to find $2.52

[karlrschneider]

77. Have you bought any avgas lately, pilotguy?

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