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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 09:34 AM Original message |
Is it time to nationalize certain industries? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. I think all industries should be nationalized. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yeah, this has worked so well in the nations that tried it. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Nobody wants your sympathy. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:11 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Touche` |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:16 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. You're the one standing in the way of progress. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. The reason the right is able to smear the left |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Democratic-republican governance doesn't require destroying capitalism. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Huh? |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:06 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Name the western nations that don't have capitalist economies. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. There are no pure capitalist economies. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:40 AM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Cuba is one of the few economies that has nationalized most business. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. So you want to generalize all nationalism together. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
95. but what happens when the national systems we currently have |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:01 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. The nation isnt the federal government, the nation is we the people. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:05 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. still, someone actually runs it, right? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:16 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I dont know that one person should run anything. |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
128. I have to say I am confused.. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Indeed. |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 05:27 PM Response to Reply #130 |
134. f you say so..but |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 06:38 PM Response to Reply #134 |
141. You are missing the point. |
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julianer (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 04:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
132. It may well lay the golden egg |
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julianer (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Whether there is a currently |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
20. eallen is appealing to history, not theory |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Yep. Capitalism is dynamic & constantly improving its business processes. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. bullshit. capitalism is constantly improving only one thing |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #27 |
45. Ah. That must explain why things have changed so little. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 05:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
133. a couple of depressions every century |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Liberalism does not mean economic control by the wealthy. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
48. And the liberal nations without a capitalist economy are...? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. You are using the term "liberal" in a way that spits in history's face. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Nay. I use it in tradition of Locke, Jefferson, Dewey, and Rawls. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I have no interest in playing the label game. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. That means most liberals in modern history weren't liberal in your view. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. You think those people supported the inequality of wealth? |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Capitalism guarantees inequality of wealth. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:13 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. Its funny you should mention logic. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:26 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. My claims are quite different from what you try to make them. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. I guess you are right, you never even tried to prove your claims. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. Which of those liberals did not support capitalism? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. You have provided no evidence that they support it. |
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sintax (891 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
103. Capitalism is codified |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:47 AM Response to Reply #25 |
49. You set up a strawman argument |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. The libertarian socialists and right-wing libertarian share a fallacy. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
92. It's not a fallacy, at least in my opinion |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:24 PM Response to Reply #92 |
105. What is the difference between you and the right-wing anarchist? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #105 |
143. The issue is education |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
79. "Government" and "people" are different things... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
93. I generally support what you say |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
39. We have a 100% managed economy. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
135. as a whole it is not managed |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #135 |
142. Yes it is. |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. I agree, Democratise the Economy. Right now a super-minority controls... |
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Emendator (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
106. Ridiculous |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. You think self government is rediculous? EOM |
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Emendator (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. What you advocate |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Actually self government is the only thing I have advocated. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. So, you want Bush and Congress in charge of your automobile insurance? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 09:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. No, I want the auto insurance agent who tried to convince me... |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
55. You think that Bush and Congress would give you a more fair deal? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
78. Bush and Congress won't give me a more fair deal... |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. So, nationalizing the industry would not make things better |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Sure, once we got corporate influence out of government... |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:51 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Bush will be in charge for the next 3 1/2 years |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:26 PM Response to Reply #94 |
107. Not if democratic principles are adhered to... |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 09:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I don't think you'll have to worry about Bush nationalizing anything... |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. All corporations are supposed to be public corporations. |
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Thrasybulus (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. I agree with Freddie |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
127. I can't speak for the OP... |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
8. Only the bankrupt or corrupt ones. Oops, that's all of them. lol |
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julianer (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
12. The question is - under what form? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. "In short they should be democratic servants of the people." |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Auto insurance is a necessity, but autos are not? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
74. I lived in Europe for a few months... |
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julianer (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 10:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Why shouldn't everyone decide |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
22. In a word, no. |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Thanks for adding your voice of reason. |
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julianer (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Capitalism works? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Hmmmm, Soviet Russia fell iafter decades of communist rule |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
65. It's worked splendidly in Haiti and a whole lot of other places like... |
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julianer (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
129. Did you bother to read |
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Algorem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Yeah,it's working out great. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. It sure is, our capitalist system for the first time in history |
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Algorem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:36 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. MMMM!Kool Aid! |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:38 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Sounds to me like you're sure drinking it. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Walt, all of your posts here are based on vast oversimplifications |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Okay, name an industry that would be better served by the government |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. You are still just making broad generalizations. EOM |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Answer the question. n/t |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Give me a question that isnt based on broad generlizations. EOM |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. can you one industry that can be run better by the government, and if so |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. That is the same question. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:49 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Oh, I getcha |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. No, I cant answer a meaningless question. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:56 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. WTF was meaningless about it? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. As I already explained, it was based on generalizations |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:08 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Then the discussion ends here |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. So you are only capable of discussing broad generalizations? |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 05:58 PM Response to Reply #67 |
139. Numerous public utilities have been successfully government run |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. wow, what a thoughtful and reasoned response.... |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Last time I checked, |
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idlisambar (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
68. A couple |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. I would maintain that an increased competiveness in both |
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idlisambar (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #81 |
90. on what basis |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
98. I'll quibble there |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
137. Sorry but email delivery was accomplished by the federal govt with YOUR |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
138. Sorry but email delivery was accomplished by the federal govt with YOUR |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
28. I always thought extraction industries, and that includes oil, should |
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Mr.Green93 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
30. nationalize the housing stock and farms |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
32. Yes, Including Airlines |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
37. I think it's long past time. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
38. look at the countries which have tried this |
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tokenlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
43. To speak of giving republicans heartburn... |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
47. Middle ground. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
52. Place industry under control of a corrupt government? How would that help? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Compared to corporations, |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. You've got to be kidding. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Umm. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. You are right in principal; corporations are completely undemocratic |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
101. there are many corporations |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:34 PM Response to Reply #101 |
109. Wow. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:44 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. so anyone who owns stock is a plutocrat? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I think you know full well who the plutocrats are. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. of course not |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. So in your reality corporate america is controlled by workers? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:24 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. no, it's controlled, for the most part |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:29 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. So you oppose democracy... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. no, I am arguing for representative democracy |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 04:03 PM Response to Reply #126 |
131. It looked to me like you were arguing for corporate control. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
54. Obviously. n/t |
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The Revolution (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
57. Yes |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
76. It's past time to nationalize the defense industry |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
85. Sure, let's let the government run everything! |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 01:54 PM Response to Reply #85 |
96. How about us BE the Governement and the Governement BE us? |
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idlisambar (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #85 |
120. what's your point? |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
108. Energy should be nationalized nt |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
111. I'd agree with health insurance, medical care, and utilities. |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
118. Road Construction |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. Since roads are publicly funded |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:38 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. No - a lot of construction is done by private contractors. |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
122. Healthcare definitely |
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Lannes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
124. Deregulation has been a big source of our problems |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
136. Capitalism and "free" markets are to economies |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-05 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
140. Nationalize???? |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-03-05 09:10 AM Response to Reply #140 |
144. Just a note on your higher taxes |
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