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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:26 PM
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Bush and Cheney Indicted--Bullshit story
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 02:31 PM by cynatnite
A Chicago grand jury has indicted the President and Vice-President of the United States along with multiple high officials in the Bush administration

Chicago -- August 2, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's Chicago grand jury has issued perjury and obstruction of justice indictments to the following members of the Bush Administration: President George W. Bush, Vice-President Richard Cheney, Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Senior Cheney advisor Mary Matalin.

http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=846&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

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Okay, it's complete bullshit. Thanks for the headsup :)
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:27 PM
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1. COMPLETELY BOGUS!! NT
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:28 PM
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2. Bogus
Bush wasn't under oath at any time.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:32 PM
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4. Exactly.
He's very careful *never* to put himself in any situation where any lies he might tell would be against the law.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 03:08 PM
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8. When he lied to Congress he was.
During his state of the UNION speech you are considered under oath.
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:30 PM
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3. Another post about this got locked earlier. Be aware. n/t
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CTFT Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:34 PM
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5. THE RIGHT TO INDICT?
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 02:42 PM by CTFT
STUART TAYLOR: No, I don't think so. I think probably the better of the argument is that you cannot indict a sitting President in a criminal proceeding, at least not for something like this. And I don't think this changes that at all. He has not admitted to committing a crime. You notice - he only admitted - and it is exquisitely negotiated -- I won't call you a liar if you don't call me a vast right wing conspiracy, right. But he has admitted that some of his answers were false. He has admitted that he was deliberately misleading. Some of that he had admitted before. He admitted that it obstructed the bar proceeding-- I'm sorry, the civil lawsuit and agreed to accept a five-year suspension. He hasn't agreed to any criminal sanction at all, and he has most definitely has not said anything that's tantamount to "I committed a crime."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/jan-june01/deal_1-19.html

KEN GORMLEY, Duquesne University School of Law: Well, Margaret, I believe that when Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski looked at this during Watergate and also Robert Bork, then the solicitor general, they concluded that it was most likely not constitutional to indict a sitting president, that's, in fact, why President Nixon was not indicted and Jaworski just named him an unindicted co-conspirator. I think if you look at the constitutional history, if you look at Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 69 and 77, it was clear what he envisioned was that the president would have to be removed from office before he could be indicted or prosecuted. And when you look at the separation of powers, ramification of this, it becomes really clear why that's the rule. It creates gargantuan problems if you allow a sitting president to be indicted and prosecuted because with that comes the ability of another branch of government to incarcerate him, to arrest him, to put him in jail. And that can effectively stop the functioning of the government because, unlike any of the officials who Professor Freedman mentioned, vice president or a federal judge, the president is the sole head of the executive branch. He's the commander-in-chief of the Army and Navy, he is the head of all the executive departments and if you are allowed to indict and prosecute this president, you can also put him behind bars and keep him effectively from being able to govern the country.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june99/indict_2-1.html

I don't see a credible source on this story and I don't see how they are going to use the Consttution to indict a sitting Prez!
This stuff is pure BS.
CTFT
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:35 PM
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6. not reliable source
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:36 PM
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7. Haven't read the whole thing yet - one problem already:
How could Bush and Cheney possibly be indicted for perjury when they haven't testified under oath?
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 03:11 PM
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9. state of the union lies about Niger
is considered under oath
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 03:30 PM
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10. Wouldn't that indict Hadley for putting the 16 words in?
Not that I wouldn't want to indict the Chimp, but just to be clear, where's Hadley?

And where does Cheney fit into that equation?

I realize I'm nitpicking bullshit, but Flocco should just take a page out of the misadministration's handbook and say, "We fell for it".
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 04:58 PM
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11. Locking...
This story is false and the source
is not reliable.
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