Hillary Just Ain't Likeable

[ruggerson]

Sorry. But when it comes right down to it, Americans don't vote on issues.

As long as you're in the relative mainstream, left or right (or you pretend you are), voters will find your views acceptable. Center left or Center right, doesn't matter much.

What does matter is the likability quotient.

And Hillary doesn't have it. Neither did Gore or Kerry. They all come across as stiff robots. If nominated, Hillary will lose the presidency because of it. It won't matter one whit what her policy positions are.

We need, at long last, to nominate someone with a genial, accessable, likeable personality. Someone with a glint of a sly sense of humor, someone who can genuinely make fun of themselves.

If we nominate yet another robot, we deserve to lose.

[babylonsister]

1. You may be right, but to me,

neither is the blivet, and look where he is.

[driver8]

64. What is "the blivet"? I've heard that a few times but don't get it.

[babylonsister]

72. 10# of manure in a 5# bag a la shrub:

blivet



/bliv'*t/ "ten pounds of manure in a five-pound bag"] 1. An intractable
problem.

2. A crucial piece of hardware that can't be fixed or replaced
if it breaks.

3. A tool that has been hacked over by so many incompetent
programmers that it has become an unmaintainable tissue of
hacks.

4. An out-of-control but unkillable development effort.

[bribri16]

92. Bush came off as a "fool" and unlikeable. Only his kind (evil) found

something to like.

[Swamp Rat]

2. .

:popcorn:

[kliljedahl]

19. Think so?

:toast:



Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Swamp Rat]

26. Way'at kliljedahl!

:hi: Another poster below upped the ante. :)

I hope this thread does not get locked. It could mean hours of entertainment until Mike Malloy comes on. :D

[kliljedahl]

34. Fun so far, like you just watching

Waiting for the fun to begin.


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Swamp Rat]

41. HAHA!

Look below! :rofl:

[kliljedahl]

50. Already saw it, saved to my Swampy folder

[im10ashus]

55. LMAO! Exactly. n/t

[Dogmudgeon]

3. So says the Press

You gotta stop listening to what those knuckleheads tell you. They'll lie to you every time, and tell you it's the holy writ.

--p!

[ruggerson]

11. I'm not listening to anybody

I have my own eyes and ears and the woman may be perfectly nice in person, her friends may love her, but on camera she comes across as stiff, robotic, practiced, totally unspontaneous and inauthentic.

All attributes which will doom her.

[Cocoa]

15. like "Clinton fatigue"

Clinton left office with pretty good poll numbers, and the press kept telling us how sick we were of him.

[chaumont58]

54. We weren't sick of him, the whores may have, but we weren't

The whores never liked him. He was a beltway outsider from day one. The whores gave us eight years of bogus, meaningless 'scandals.' I think Clinton had comtempt for thw whores and did little to hide it. They've covered chimpies fuckin' ass and 1800 American soldiers are dead unnecessarily.
So far as Hillary, I have to agress with the top of this thread. Most of the Dem nominees in the last 30 years, with the exception of Bill Clinton, had all the warmth and charisma of an electric door knob.

[Cocoa]

62. they were WAY out of touch on the impeachment

the pro-Clinton poll numbers were a major shock to the "liberal media," as was the 1998 election results.

[AlGore-08.com]

73. I hate to tell you guys, but the exit polling in 2000 showed that

While 57% of the voters approved his record, 60% disliked Bill Clinton as a person. (Admit it: if Smirk had a 60% "dislike as a person" in a poll y'all would be crowing about how everybody hates him and he ought to be impeached.)

Here's the actual breakdown:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/index.epolls.html

Opinion of Clinton:
Approve/Like: 35%
Approve/Dislike: 20%
Disapprove/Like: 1%
Disapprove/Dislike: 39%

Clinton in history books for:
Leadership: 29%
Scandals: 68%

Reason for your vote:
To support Clinton: 10%
To oppose Clinton: 18%
Clinton not a factor: 70%

[chaumont58]

101. 70 percent Clinton not a factor

Al Gore's first decs ion after he got the 2000 Dem nomination was to choice Lieberman. His second was to distance himself from Clinton. That may have been pure politics, his pollster was Greenberg, who called Clinton fatigue a factor. Clinton's pollster was Mark Penn, who said it wasn't. Whether is was a factor or not, Al Gore was VP for eight years, because Clinton choose him. He added almost nothing to the ticket, in 1992. Gore had been a candidate in 1988 and 1992, without success. So, Gore got government housing, at the Naval Observatory, for eight years, thanks to Clinton, but turned his back on Clinton, at the first opportunity.
Politics is a tough fuckin' business, not for the thin skinned, or faint of heart. My recollection is that is was Harry Truman who said if you want a friend in politics, get a dog.

[Blue_In_AK]

4. I'm not a Hillary fan, but

I'm hoping you're not implying that ** IS likable. I know that's the lie the media has been cramming down our throats for the past five years, but there's not a person on the face of this earth I find less likable than the Chimp. And personally, I found John Kerry very likable. Intelligence appeals to me ... but that's just me.

[ironman202]

12. Well I like Hillary

I met the woman once and she was very kind towards me....this was in late 1991 when the dem pack was still clumped up. At the time of the first dem debate and the talking heads were giving it to the big dog, I can remeber thinking, no not him! any of them but Bill Clinton! The wrong Clinton is running!

Nice to see another pilgrim in this unholy land, btw...

[Blue_In_AK]

58. Hi, Ironman...

I've seen you posting here before. It's good to see fellow Democratic Alaskans here. Remember, Alaska was once a Democratic state and I feel that it will be again. People are pretty fed up with the Guv, Ted's going to die one of these years, and there are some pretty smart Democrats down there in Juneau who would probably be more than happy to step up to the plate, so there's hope. Keep the faith.......

[goclark]

52. My thoughts exactly!

We need a winner and we need someone who fights!

Anyone who could go through fire with the Big Dog and call these clowns "A VAST Right Wing Conspiracy "is fine in my book.

She was very brave to do that, I would support her.

[Dissent Is Patriotic]

63. How can you not like him...

he clears his own wooded areas? You mean that's not what appeals to you?

[Sal Minella]

69. All Crawford's natural brush was cut down long ago....

As someone pointed out here some time back, the brush he clears now on the Crawford Ranchetta-ette has all been specially imported from the Brazilian rain forest.....

[driver8]

67. I agree with you...but the chimp supporters see shrubby as very

likeable -- the kind of guy they could down a fifth of vodka or snort a couple of lines with.

I thought John Kerry was ten times more likeable than the young idiot prince, but I guess he was a little "too refined" for middle America. Kerry made shrubby look like an idiotic, spoiled brat in the debates.

[dhinojosa]

5. Hillary sold shitloads of books.....

and you know the right didn't buy them.

[Ron Green]

6. I have to agree with you.

Furthermore, we can't change the fact that personality will continue to trump policy and issues, as long as we live in an increasingly image-driven environment.

[Maple]

7. I agree that 'likeability'

is the biggest factor in getting someone elected.

Policies don't much matter, because voters don't believe you'll be able to carry them out for the most part anyway.

'Likeability' may well be a dumb thing to base your vote on, but that's what people do.

[bloom]

8. I think she is likable

I just don't want someone who supports Will Marshall and his ideas (namely that I am anti-American for being anti-War and anti-Torture).

[Swamp Rat]

10. !

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[meg]

9. Of course you are entitle to YOUR opinion.

But you are NOT entitled to mine or anyone else's. So, you don't like Hillary. That doesn't mean everyone doesn't like Hillary.

And while were on the subject, do you just have an irrational dislike of Hillary, or do you have some concrete reasons? Like she kills kittens like Frist does or makes ugly, weird comments like Santorum does.

[ruggerson]

16. I didn't say *I* didn't like her

I said that she comes across with a robotic, inauthentic, rehearsed personality.

Her television demeanor rings false to me. She doesn't come across as genuine. And trust me, I'm not alone in getting these vibes.

[Bluebear]

24. "Calculated" comes to my mind.

I am with you on her TV demeanor, everything seems to be said for a reason. Interestingly, I loved her as First Lady, I wonder if some guarded transformation goes into effect when you turn candidate from "civilian" life.

[AndyP]

17. I don't think that was the poster's opinion

of Hilary, just what they think the populations vision of her is. I don't perfer Hilary, but she'll probably be the nominee, and many people that I've talked that aren't hardcore Dems won't vote for her because they just don't like her. When I ask them why, they just say "because" or that they think she is a panderer. Not saying it is right, but that's just how it is.

[Cocoa]

13. that's too close to the RW propaganda

always be suspicious when you find yourself agreeing with things RWers have been pounding into our heads for years.

[Bluebear]

23. I just have to say this in defense of the OP....

I have dear friends in their early 70's who are about as 'average American' as you can get. "Can't stomache Hilary". "Couldn't STAND Kerry and Theresa."

I am afraid there is a lot to this "likabililty" thing, because people outside our world here pay little to no attention to issues.

[Cocoa]

29. the anecdotal stuff won't cut it

you have to have polls.

Personally, my anecdotal evidence shows the opposite, that everyone loves Hillary. But that's not any more reliable than yours.

Most important is what I said in the first place, that the OP exactly matches the pundit spin, the same spin they were spinning when they told us Hillary had no shot for Senate.

[Swamp Rat]

32. "you have to have polls."- Oh my GOD! That's exactly what the lizards say!

:scared:

:D



:rofl:

DUers crack me up!

[Cocoa]

39. that graphic is repulsive

to me.

[Swamp Rat]

43. Thank you

Best compliment yet. :)

[CrispyQ]

47. ~heart~

I love the lizards!

on edit: ricelizard is the best.

[Swamp Rat]

51. abraço

:hug:

[CrispyQ]

60. He serenades the ricelizard. `eom

[Swamp Rat]

70. "It's hard work!"

Of course, the reptile named Rice does all the actual work, including, perhaps, falling on a sword for Dumbya? We wiil soon find out...

[Bluebear]

38. Hope you're right!

There is a poll down the thread saying she is most admired in America.

[AlGore-08.com]

75. You want a poll? Zogby: McCain 54%, HRC 35%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1005

McCain Would Trounce Hillary in ’08 Match-up, 54%-35%

Arizona Senator John McCain would overwhelmingly defeat New York Senator and former First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in a theoretical 2008 presidential match-up, a new Zogby America poll reveals.

(snip)

The Zogby America survey of 1000 likely voters, conducted from June 20 through 22, 2005, has a margin of error of +/-3.2 percentage points.

(snip)

The survey finds that both senators far outdistance their nearest competition for their parties’ nominations—but in a head-to-head match-up, the Arizona Republican bests the New York Democrat by 19 points, leading her 54% to 35%. McCain would also defeat Massachusetts Senator—and former Democratic presidential candidate—John Kerry by a full 20 points, 55% to 35%.

McCain has majority support in every single geographic region of the country. But more telling may be the fact that, even in the states carried by Kerry in 2004, McCain comes out comfortably on top—leading Clinton by 49 to 38% and Kerry by 50% to 40%. Among the states carried by President Bush, the margin is even wider, giving McCain a 58% to 33% lead over Clinton and 59% to 32% lead over Kerry.

McCain leads with most demographics, though Clinton would best him narrowly among Hispanic voters (45% to 38%) and would win African Americans by 80% to 19%. But that 19% would be the highest vote tally for a Republican with African Americans in decades. McCain leads Clinton with every age group except voters under 30, where the two are in a dead heat.

(more... )

[October]

66. They don't like any Dems...

They'll find fault with whoever runs as a Dem.

Max Cleland comes to mind.

If GWB had been a Dem -- even with all his supposed charisma (:puke:) and "bar buddy" likability, they'd have hated him too. They just rally round whoever is a repug. on that side. Lockstep.

And let's face it, this country just doesn't like powerful, bright women.

We'll never win the likability contest -- and no way a woman will ever win that one either -- not in this country. (Not in either party.)

[Bluebear]

95. Oh no, they love Max Cleland

These people are not Republicans. They are your typical "swing voter" who base a LOT on candidate's demeanors. They are lovely people who are just completely unaware of political nuance, like I fear 90% of the electorate are. Ask the man/woman in the street who Bolton is and see if 5 out of 100 can tell you!

[Booster]

14. Just asking, but why doesn't anybody on DU tout John Edwards?

Is there something about him that I'm missing? He seems perfect to me, but I must be missing something important because he's very seldom mentioned here.

[ironman202]

18. I'll vote for him too! hell I'll vote for a ham sandwich

over the republicans... If he runs. And he should.

[LSparkle]

20. I'm with you -- I LOVE JOHN EDWARDS!

If he stays in the game for the next few years (working on his international relations credentials, etc.), he will make the PERFECT candidate in '08. Bring back the "Two Americas" speech!!!!!

[ironman202]

21. Get to Touting, my friend!

[julialnyc]

25. I don't like him

but that's just my opinion (I'm sure people don't like the people I like)

[ironman202]

31. IYQ...

[julialnyc]

45. I don't know what IYQ means?

N/T

[union_maid]

27. He's on my short list

Unfortunately, no one ever calls for my short list.

[Skwmom]

37. He would be the easiest candidate to attack

as a phony, pandering politician. It would be too easy for the Republicans to attack his whole poverty platform as nothing more than a political gimmick because his rhetoric is not backed up by his actions. Furthermore, The American Public will never elect as Commander-In-Chief a personal injury attorney on the record making such comments as " She speaks to you through me....."And I have to tell you right now — I didn't plan to talk about this — right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."



http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/politics/campaign/31EDWA.html?ex=1390885200&en=4fb97ac07a96f186&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

[julialnyc]

49. and too transparent

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050731/NEWS13/107310046

[Booster]

53. But they have no problem voting for someone who says "God

speaks to me" - politics is just getting way too wierd.

[Clark2008]

42. Too fluffy.

And not very deep.

[Kraklen]

22. I'm not going to vote for her.

Not after this video game bullshit.

[Fiona]

28. She's the most admired woman in America

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/30/most.admired.ap/

I guess that makes her more likable than Oprah.

[Bluebear]

35. That is heartening then.

[patricia92243]

30. Nah! That's Republican hype. I have even fallen for it - and not realized

that I had been brainwashed - until I saw Hillary again at her booksigning and thought "I forgot how much I like her."

[Disturbed]

46. Wes Clark is the most viable to win.

Clark is real likeable.

[Swamp Rat]

57. If pro Wes Clark posts on DU is any indicator of the general population,

and that is a big "IF," then he should win the Dem nomination.

Clark is a team player, so it would be great if he combined forces with Howard Dean, John Conyers, Bob Graham, Barbara Boxer, and a few others to create a "dream team" of unbeatable Dems. :)

[karynnj]

33. Kerry was not a stiff robot

The MSM did nothing to show Kerry well - look at the Butler book of photos or a tape of one of his October rallies, listen to his daughters talk about him, he is really far more likeable than you suggest. Would someone as dynamic as Teresa have been interested in a robot?

The question is whether we let the media pick our candidate.

[kliljedahl]

44. I would rather have a glass of wine with the Kerrys

than a beer with *. I drink beer & I'm not especially fond of wine.


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[unschooler]

68. I like wine, and I'd love to have a glass w/ the Kerrys (or the Gores),

but I think most voters want someone they'd like to have a beer with - preferably while watching a ball game on the big screen.

[Sapphire Blue]

81. I'd rather have an anchovy milkshake w/the Kerry's than a beer....

...or anything else w/bush.

[kliljedahl]

82. I like anchovies on pizza

kinda' weird that way, but I'll stick with the wine.


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[Sapphire Blue]

86. I HATE anchovies.

[Miss Chybil]

36. I like her. nt

[Pepperbelly]

40. I am glad we got your perception. However, I like Hillary.

I think you're full of it.

The ultimate guage of whether or not she is likable is the ballot box and if she wins, what is your problem with democracy?

[nevergiveup]

48. I like Hillary but

don't believe she is likable to most folks and for me her speeches work better than Ambien.

[Placebo]

56. CLINTON '08

I don't know what you're talking about, everyone I know like her.

Clinton '08

[bullimiami]

59. She doesnt have to be 'likeable' like dumbass goofball w is.

she is a powerful presence and she knows what she is about.

i think she would be a devastating candidate and I think you are dead wrong about her not having charisma like gore and kerry.

i am not a fan of dlc politics but I think she is the strongest candidate the democrats have by a long, long, long shot.

[Name removed]

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[longship]

61. I don't want my Pres candidate to be likable

I want my Presidential candidate to be smart, to be clever, to be resourceful, and most of all...

I want my presidential candidate to win!

Hillary has all of those characteristics, except tor the last one, for which I am very unsure.

Only time will tell. In the meantime I will be supporting other candidates.

[LibDemAlways]

71. It was the media whores who played up

the chimp's "likability." Personally, I find him about as "likable" as a throbbing hemmoroid. However, once the media has a candidate pegged, public perception follows. Gore = stiff and wooden, Kerry = stiff and elitist. Hillary = cold and bitchy Chimp = likeable and folksy.

We all know this is bullshit. I met Gore at a book signing and found him warm and friendly. My husband recently spotted Kerry getting off a plane at LAX and said people were approaching him to shake his hand, and he couldn't have been nicer - stopping to chat, thanking people who were telling him they had voted for him, signing autographs, etc.

Also saw Hillary from a distance at a book signing. She was smiling and seemed to be enjoying herself. Didn't strike me as mean or hostile.

Chimp, on the other hand, comes across to me like the nasty, spoiled rich-kid bully on the playground who smirks his way through life and looks down on everyone else.

But the media knows, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the "truth."

[alarimer]

74. The MEDIA has portrayed her as unlikable

The y way they portrayed Kerry and Gore as stiff or boring.

[expatriate]

76. In all honesty, and with nothing against women

particularly since I am one myself - considering the social and political atmosphere that seems to be prevalent in America today, I just can't see a woman - ANY woman - being elected President of the United States. I might be dead wrong, but I cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, see it happening.

I don't think this is a good thing - this is just an observation. Not to put Hilary down. She would probably be a perfectly capable President - but I can't see America going for a female President, full stop. Regardless of political party, regardless of political philosophy, I can't see it happening any more than I can see a black person or a poor person being elected President. It will not happen anytime soon.

Heck, it wasn't all that long ago that the Susan B. Anthony dollar bombed bigtime, and one of the reasons consistently given for it was "I ain't gonna use no money with no broad on it!" I'm not kidding.

I just think that if Hilary or any other woman ran for President, fundamentalists and conservatives would turn out in droves to vote against her.

Now, if we could only get the Republicans to run a woman for President ...

[librechik]

77. I Like Hillary, I LOVE Hillary--just don't think she can win

but then, I think the elections are fixed by the Pukkkes from now on, so what does it matter?

We gotta think outside the box. The Black Box.

[progressivebydesign]

78. I disagree. You're repeating a Rush Limbaugh meme.

Hillary, as I've been told by people who have worked with and around her, is actually an even warmer person than Bill. In groups of people she takes the time to speak as though the one she's with is the only one in the room, her eyes don't search the room for the next handshake. She has been painted as a bitch, the same way EVERY SINGLE WOMAN with presence has been by the male dominated media.

I agree that people don't vote issues as much as they vote image, but Hillary is a victim, just as Al Gore was, of whispering campaigns and lazy ass journalism. The most salient comment about the Gore/Bush election came from a journalist, I paraphrase, 'the most surprising thing about covering this election was to find out that Gore is not as smart as everyone says, but much nicer.. and Bush is not as dumb as everyone says, but much less nice than they think'.

ANYONE can be made to appear likable. John Kerry is likable, but he was lampooned and carictured by the media. Perhaps those people will have a change of heart when they realize they contributed to the absolute fuckup of a president THEY helped elect through lazy habits and hearsay.

[pitohui]

79. she's not likeable, she's a strong woman

what's wrong w. this country

is there a head in hands smiley?

did you know that gore did stand-up comedy in college?

who told you that he was stiff and a robot with no sense of humor?

i blame the color tv

[mixedview]

94. Bull. There are many strong women officials who are likeable

like Jeniffer Granholm, or even Diane Feinstein, and a few on the Repub side.

Likeability has nothing to do with gender or even politics.

It is more about personality, looks and charisma.

Clinton had it. Bill, that is.

Even people who disagreed with his politics couldn't help but like the guy.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a libertarian and want a woman president - we can't sit around talking about liberty and equality while denying women leadership roles.

If Hillary got the nomination I would support her, if only because I want to see a woman president.

But she has no personality, IMO, and comes across as a calculating, triangulating politician.

[pitohui]

96. clearly i don't agree

she's fine but the media will say what the media say

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

80. She may be likeable, but she won't get my vote 'cuz she's DLC.

Pro-war DLC.

[LittleClarkie]

83. Not someone who's actually qualified

That sucks.

I don't want a blue Dubya. I don't want another unqualified shlub with whom I could have a beer.

84. hillary

I would be excited to see her run. I don't think she would win unless the democrats perform some magic like the republicans seem to do.

Maybe she has dreamed of being president??

I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." -- Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents

[Oerdin]

88. Hillary is a losering candidate.

If she becomes the Democratic Nominee then we will see yet another Republican adminstration in the White House. I suppose we haven't all learned our lesson yet about needing Charismatic preferably southern candidates. Senators make the worst candidates because they have long voting records which the Repucks can twist and make all sorts of hay out of. Governors make a much better pick and we should get a southern governor because that's the main way we have for breaking into the Republican controlled south.

89. southern candidates

Maybe so, I am not much on giving odds for candidates.

[pitohui]

97. those are cool photos

thanks, they touch my heart

[lonestarnot]

85. Well by God I like her!

[Hamlette]

87. and Gore and Kerry WERE likable???? n/t

[ruggerson]

93. Ummm...

Did you bother to read the OP?

[rman]

106. Not according to the mainstream media

Personally i think likeability is irrelevant for a politician, but i actually do think Gore is an ok person, and humorous to.

[Hamlette]

108. well then maybe Hillary is not likeable for the same reason, the media.

of course, we all go after her because she's a girl.

imho.

[journalist3072]

90. Hillary is a robot? That's news to me.

She doesn't come across as a robot type. She seems comfortable in all types of settings to me. She can conversate with anyone.

[MODemocrat]

91. Maybe it's just me, but I happen to like Hillary very much

I've always admired an intelligent person, which she is, and I find her quite likable. George Bush is supposed to be likable, but, is that more important than having a brain?

Hillary here's to you: :thumbsup: :dem:

[OneBlueSky]

98. well, I certainly don't like her . . . she comes across as . . .

a rank opportunist who thinks appeasement and expediency are the mainstays of politics . . . she's a DLC/corporate shill who will do or say anything that will position her more to the "center" for electoral purposes . . . just doesn't seem to have the kind of core principles we need in a leader . . .

[AuntPatsy]

99. I like her, it's funny how more and more people each day

express the sentiment that they don't like her, I guess they don't understand how easily they are being manipulated by those that are obviously terrified of her.....

Do I agree with all her stances? Of course not, but I don't have to agree with each and every view she expresses, the bottom line is that she will fight tooth and nail for the American people for all the right reasons if she can get that most coveted position this country has to offer...

This country is a mess, it will take a very strong team to right allt he wrongs inflicted on this country, she is not alone, her husband dilligently stands beside her and supports her, your getting two for one...

And the beauty of having her in office, UNLIKE this naob we have now, you can voice your displeasure out loud without fear that you will be forced into silence..

She is playing the game she must, illusions are a funny thing, it hides things very well...

Have a little more faith for someone who has earned it...

[rman]

107. Yeah, ignoring CAFTA and ranting about video games was just lovely.

[steve2470]

100. I like Hillary and I think she has sizable support.

However, I think the poster who said the country would not elect a female president is right. I'd vote for her, but there's too many retrogrades who believe in the hoary over-hormonal meme about female executives. :shrug:

[ComerPerro]

102. Neither is Bush, but I see your point

The difference is that Hillary has had republicans spending the last fifteen years (almost) attack her, while Bush has spent the last six years carefully orchestrating a public image of likability that lives on in the delusioned minds of Republicans. Say something enough, it must be true.



you're right, though. People will vote for the lie they like best.

[rman]

103. The corporate media decide who is likeable

Who was the last Dem president that was likeable?

[pitohui]

104. yeah the media don't like anybody

i will make up my own mind

[qanda]

105. I couldn't agree with you more

How about Wesley Clark? He's likeable and not too rough on the eyes either.

[Lindacooks]

109. Only to insecure white men.

and others who hate strong women.

[redqueen]

110. Likable or unlikable, she's a corporatist. n/t