Does Islam have it's own version of Intelligent Design?

[elehhhhna]

And in the name of fairness, shouldn't it be taught too?

[Kraklen]

1. Same creation myth.

Although I don't think even muslim fundamentalists are deceitful enough call it "science."

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. but uniformly, Allah is said to support science and math

and for believers to learn the mysteries and understand them.

If it were not for the Muslims of olde, Europe would still be a festering sore, something like the worst neocon's wet dream.

[Kraklen]

3. That's true.

I'm sure there's plenty of fundamentalists who want to remove evolution and replace it with nutjobbery. But at least they're not making any bones about turning classrooms into little propaganda factories.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Yes

On this Christian board I frequent there were people who said it shouldn't be taught as an education process. I think if people really really really want it maybe have it as an optional class like how my high school had Bible History. :shrug: But you can't prove anything with Creationsim. All Creationsim is that God said for this to happen and it did. How can you prove it? If you can prove that you can prove God exists. Can you prove God exists? No. Can you prove he doesn't? No. That's why it's called faith.

[no name no slogan]

4. no. Islam is very science-friendly

most Muslims don't believe the creation myth to be literal. most muslims acknowledge that science is a gift given to humanity from Allah, and that studying the creation brings us closer to God, ultimately.

in fact, there is a hadith (saying) of the Prophet which says something like one learned man is worth as many as 100 ignorant men.

and don't forget, without Islam we wouldn't have many of the advanced sciences and mathematics that we use today. the Muslims preserved the learning of the ancient Greeks and Romans while europe descended into the dark ages.

:D

[Dogmudgeon]

5. Good point. Modern "Islam" isn't very Islamic.

In classical Islam, forcible conversions are considered to be a heinous sin, and ecstatic or charismatic conversion is frowned upon. The ideal path to Allah, they taught, is through Reason.

Islam is now dominated by the same fundamentalism that has infected Christianity and Hinduism. In the case of Islam, it was the rise of the Wahhabi movement over the last century. It was a little-noticed sect within Shia, until Thomas Lawrence and old King Faisal Saud teamed up to kick some British tail after WWI.

The curious should download a copy of the Koran and browse through it. It is quite a remarkable work on its own -- different than the Bible, but with a very similar feel to it.

--p!

[Kraklen]

6. Dude, there's a billion muslims in the world.

Most, I'll wager, are very Islamic.

[Dogmudgeon]

8. Like Christianity

There are a billion Christians. How many actually follow the example of Christ? A very small number. But most of Christendom claims to be faithful, and many of the Christians are fanatical.

It's similar in Islam. The fanatics have gotten the ear of the Islamic world. The emphasis on reason and justice has been replaced by a thirst for blood and revenge in many quarters. Even Sunni Islam is not immune, although Shia was the primary channel for the transmission of Wahhabist fundamentalism.

--p!

[no name no slogan]

14. very very very good post

i have a copy of the Holy Quran and read it quite often. it is a truly remarkable, enlightening and inspired work. in fact i read it more often than i do my Bible, and i even go to church regularly!

you are absolutely right about fundimentalism: it is the poison of enlightened religious thought. IMHO it is the antithesis of what the Creator wants for us and goes against everything that is natural and right about the world.

[Kraklen]

7. To be fair, so is Christianity.

Creationism is mostly isolated to a a couple million American cultists.

[Ladyhawk]

13. I don't know about that.

This town holds a large percentage of creationists.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Oh yes

I too believe that. I believe that God gave us the ability of freewill and to use our brains. He showed us the way to science because someone out there was curious and used their freewill thinking brain. Same thing with medicine and the like. If you think that you shouldn't use all that then don't have surgery. When I was born I had a hole in my heart the size of a quarter, so if it wasn't for medicine and surgery I would've died but thankfully it's around and I didn't. :)

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[moez]

9. sure they do!

you can't be a dummy and design bombs the way they do!

[Sgent]

10. Both Islam and Judaism

generally understand creation as an allegory.