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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 07:35 PM
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main reason it was classified was because of the horror, the devastation
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 07:37 PM by understandinglife
More recently, McGovern declared that Americans should have seen the damage wrought by the bomb. "The main reason it was classified was ... because of the horror, the devastation," he said. "The medical effects were pretty gory. ... The attitude was: do not show any medical effects. Don't make people sick." Because the footage shot in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was hidden for so long, the atomic bombings quickly sank, unconfronted and unresolved, into the deeper recesses of American awareness, as a costly nuclear arms race, and nuclear proliferation, accelerated.

The atomic cover-up also reveals what can happen in any country that carries out deadly attacks on civilians in any war and then keeps images of what occurred from its own people.

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In the mid-1990s, researching "Hiroshima in America," a book I would write with Robert Jay Lifton, I discovered the deeper context for suppression of the U.S. Army film: it was part of a broad effort to suppress a wide range of material related to the atomic bombings, including photographs, newspaper reports on radiation effects, information about the decision to drop the bomb, even a Hollywood movie.

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"Original Child Bomb" went on to debut at the 2004 Tribeca Film Festival, win a major documentary award, and this week, on Aug. 6 and 7, it will debut on the Sundance cable channel. After 60 years at least a small portion of that footage will finally reach part of the American public in the unflinching and powerful form its creators intended. Only then will the Americans who see it be able to fully judge for themselves what McGovern and Sussan were trying to accomplish in shooting the film, why the authorities felt they had to suppress it, and what impact their footage, if widely aired, might have had on the nuclear arms race -- and the nuclear proliferation that plagues, and endangers, us today.

From Hiroshima Cover-up Exposed by Greg Mitchell on August 1, 2005

Much more at the link:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001001583


Try as they have to distort the extent of torture, Bush and his neoconster fellow criminals are not going to be able to hide their evil deeds for 60 years.

A former London schoolboy accused of being a dedicated al-Qaida terrorist has given the first full account of the interrogation and alleged torture endured by so-called ghost detainees held at secret prisons around the world.

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Recruits to some groups connected to al-Qaida are thought to be instructed to make allegations of torture after capture, and most of Mohammed's claims cannot be independently verified. But his description of a prison near Rabat closely resembles the Temara torture centre identified in a report by the US-based Human Rights Watch last October.

Furthermore, this newspaper has obtained flight records showing executive jets operated by the CIA flew in and out of Morocco on July 22 2002 and January 22 2004, the dates he says he was taken to and from the country.


If true, his account adds weight to concerns that the US authorities are torturing by proxy. It also highlights the dilemma of British authorities when they seek information from detainees overseas who they know, or suspect, are tortured. The lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, says: "This is outsourcing of torture, plain and simple. America knows torture is wrong but gets others to do its unconscionable dirty work."

From Suspect's tale of travel and torture by Stephen Grey and Ian Cobain on August 2 2005

More at the link:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1540558,00.html


Here is an excerpt from the lawyer's 'diary':

For 18 months, there was not one night when I could sleep well. Sometimes I would go 48 hours without sleep. At night, they would bang the metal doors, bang the flap on the door, or just come right in.

They continued with two or three interrogations a month. They weren't really interrogations, more like training me what to say. The interrogator told me what was going on. "We're going to change your brain," he said.

I suffered the razor treatment about once a month for the remaining time I was in Morocco, even after I'd agreed to confess to whatever they wanted to hear. It became like a routine. They'd come in, tie me up, spend maybe an hour doing it. They never spoke to me. Then they'd tip some kind of liquid on me - the burning was like grasping a hot coal. The cutting, that was one kind of pain. The burning, that was another.

In all the 18 months I was there, I never went outside. I never saw the sun, not even once. I never saw any human being except the guards and my tormentors, unless you count the pictures they showed me.

From 'One of them made cuts in my penis. I was in agony'

by The Guardian on August 2, 2005

Full details at the link:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1540549,00.html


As one example, a report appeared today in Newsday that makes clear how lame the excuses are for not providing access to the truth and how unflenching Bush, Cheney and the neoconsters are in their intent to continue torturing people.

These are small suggestions, footnotes to the larger question of whether the president has sole authority to sweep people up around the world and throw them forever into the black pit of indefinite confinement. Still, the White House found McCain's amendments and another set by Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who wishes to write into law the various executive fiats Bush already has imposed on detainees, too limiting. It dispatched the enforcer, Dick Cheney, to Capitol Hill to demand their withdrawal. The vice president had the Defense Department authorization bill pulled from the Senate floor last week.

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The Pentagon, despite a judge's ruling, is refusing to release 87 pictures and four videos that are the worst of the worst images from the prison scandal. These are pictures Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has described as "blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane." Graham, when the Abu Ghraib scandal first exploded, said, "We're talking about rape and murder here."

In their arguments against releasing the photos, government lawyers persisted in repeating the myth that they represent "isolated activity by one military unit." In fact, the military itself has uncovered hundreds of cases of prisoner mistreatment in Iraq, Afghanistan and at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Not all are equally malevolent. But neither can they be described any longer as singular missteps by misguided underlings.

The argument now made against releasing the Abu Ghraib pictures is that this would almost certainly spark violence in Iraq and Afghanistan, where Muslims would be incensed and U.S. troops would be put at greater risk. No doubt.

From Torturing prisoners? Not by the book by Marie Cocco on August 2, 2005
More at the link:

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-opcoc024367606aug02,0,2372094,print.column?coll=ny-viewpoints-headlines


Try as they may, Bush, Cheney and the neoconsters are not going to be able to suppress the details of their torture crimes. Just as they are not going to be able to suppress the consequences of depleted uranium and the massive destruction of civilian property and the killing of Iraqi civilians.

Americans are not going to be sheltered for decades from the horrors that their government has conducted, in their name.

Whether the complicit corporate media spreads the truth or not, the truth is spreading.

Whether the ACLU prevails, those videos and pictures are going to be exposed for all the world to see. Much of that world is already appalled that the hope for humanity, the hope for human rights that the USA was supposed to herald and deliver, has been shown to be a monstrous lie.

It's time to suck it up, America, and face the brutal reality that Bush has delivered unto you a culture of death, a culture of torture.

Everyone else on the planet knows the truth.

Go to Washington DC on September 24, 2005 and tell Bush and the neoconsters you know the truth, you are going to hold them legally accountable, and you are going to remove them from any role in our government.

And, get the damn pictures and look at them and don't ever allow your government to tell you what you have the right to see, because as soon as you do, that government is going to start doing things you will regret, or worse.




Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 07:54 PM
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1. Christ.... that Flash just kicked me square in the ass...... thanks.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 09:49 PM
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2. The enemy is not 'over there' my fellow Americans, THE enemy is ...
.... vacationing in Crawford, Texas and his name is George W Bush.

On the World's Most Wanted List for multiple counts of War Crimines and Torture.




http://www.newsparkproductions.org

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:03 PM
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5. The enemy is not 'over there,' my fellow Americans, the ENEMY is ...
.... is hiding a bunker somewhere, wheezing, and his name is Dick Cheney.

Currenlty, # 2 on the Most Wanted List for multiple counts of War Crimines and Torture.





Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:13 PM
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6. The enemy is not 'over there,' my fellow Americans, the ENEMY is ...
... is here and her name is Rice - play along on you piano Ms Rice ... 'what a wonderful world' ....

http://www.peacetakescourage.com/WonderfulWorld.html



Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."



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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 11:10 PM
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9. The enemy is not 'over there,' my fellow Americans, the ENEMY is ..."
... is here and his name is Gonzales aka Torture Boy.

Any doubt about it -- just google Gonzales+Geneva+Convention+quaint

The Quaint Mr. Gonzales

by Marjorie Cohn

November 13, 2004

Most Republicans and many Democrats have hailed Bush's nomination of White House counsel Alberto Gonzales for attorney general as a brilliant choice. Whereas John Ashcroft ruffled feathers with his coarse warnings that opponents of Bush's post-9/11 agenda "only aid terrorists," the soft-spoken Gonzales is much more palatable. And he's Hispanic to boot, so the Bush cabinet diversity quotient won't change when Colin Powell steps aside in the second term. Some Democrats will ask tough questions during Gonzales's confirmation hearing. But it would be unseemly for Democrats to seriously challenge the nomination of the first Latino Attorney General of the United States.

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Notwithstanding his mild-mannered appearance, Gonzales is the iron fist in the velvet glove. Gonzales, whom Bush affectionately calls "mi abogado" ("my lawyer"), wrote one of the most outrageous torture memos. On January 25, 2002, Gonzales advised Bush that "the war on terrorism is a new kind of war, a new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitation on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders some of its provisions quaint."

Oh really? The "quaint" Geneva Conventions are treaties ratified by the United States, and therefore part of the supreme law of the land under our Constitution.

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More at the link:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111304A.shtml


The quaint Gonzales is on The World's Most Wanted Top Ten List - you betcha.

The quaint Gonzales deserves a quaint cell mate - preferably a 6 ft. 8 inch mass murderer with even less of a conscience than torture boy.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."





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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 12:17 AM
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10. The enemy is not 'over there,' my fellow Americans, the ENEMY is ..."
... a piece of trash who was shaking Saddam's hand and providing all the poison Saddam needed to kill countless Iranians as well as anyone in Iraq who opposed him.



He is certainly on The World's Most Wanted List of war criminals and torture mavens. And, his name is Donald Rumsfeld.

One can only wonder who washed their hand first after Saddam and Donald grasped each others ...

And, here's a little diddy ... 'will you bite the hand that feeds; will you chew until it bleeds'
http://www.dyana.info/The_Hand_That_Feeds.htm

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 10:13 AM
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14. The enemy is not 'over there,' my fellow Americans, the ENEMY is ..."
.... exactly where the propagandist-in-chief of the illegal war in Iraq belongs.



Here's something for you to read, Ms Miller -- 19 y/o Christopher and more than 1800 of his colleagues, along with countless innocent Iraqi citizens are the dead, mangled and tortured products of your self-serving deception of all of us:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=9439

What price should you pay Ms Miller for all your lies? Think about it.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 09:51 PM
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3. Thanks for the headsup
I'm going to for sure watch and video tape this. I love the Sundance channel. I'm so glad we get it. They have so many great films on there.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 09:59 PM
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4. Keep. This. Kicked.... nominated.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:21 PM
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7. "Newsweek Exclusive: Secret Memo—Send to Be Tortured"
Relevant references in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4228821

Will be expanding as this issue and the lies that lead us into it are inextricably linked.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."




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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:28 PM
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8. Jose Padilla could be ANY ONE OF YOU MY FELLOW AMERICANS.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

5th Amendment to U.S. Constitution


How 'quaint' to quote torture boy Gonzales.

Each and every one of you, my fellow Americans, could be the next Jose Padilla.

Think about it.

http://www.chargepadilla.org/


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 12:49 AM
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11. Washington Post: Interrogated General's Sleeping-Bag Death
Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 12:51 AM by understandinglife
...and a series of intense beatings and creative interrogation tactics were not enough to break his will. On the morning of Nov. 26, 2003, a U.S. Army interrogator and a military guard grabbed a green sleeping bag, stuffed Mowhoush inside, wrapped him in an electrical cord, laid him on the floor and began to go to work. Again.

It was inside the sleeping bag that the 56-year-old detainee took his last breath through broken ribs, lying on the floor beneath a U.S. soldier in Interrogation Room 6 in the western Iraqi desert. Two days before, a secret CIA-sponsored group of Iraqi paramilitaries, working with Army interrogators, had beaten Mowhoush nearly senseless, using fists, a club and a rubber hose, according to classified documents.

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William Cassara, who represents Williams, cited Mowhoush's brutal encounters in the days before he died as possibly leading to his death. He said Williams, who was not trained in interrogation tactics, had little to do with the case.

"The interrogation techniques were known and were approved of by the upper echelons of command of the 3rd ACR," Cassara said ...

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From Documents Tell of Brutal Improvisation by GIs by Josh White on August 3, 2005

Link to more disgusting details:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201941.html


Yo Alberto, Yo Georgie boy, Yo Cheney, Yo Rummy, .... dudes YOU ARE GOING DOWN, HARD.


http://theawaremind.com/videos/AgnusDei.wmv
(be patient; just let it download and watch it, over and over, and be glad you are alive and able to do so)


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 12:53 AM
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12. I want to thank you for all the time you give in order to help
this country gain back it's lost innocence, you should be commended for all the information you share with us all here. You and those like you are one of the reasons I continue to come here...

I am still in the learning stages as are many I would imagine, your time is not being wasted. A true American patriot who cares about this country.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 01:00 AM
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13. I am here because of you and all whom I will never know. I am here ..
... because of all those of have died, who have been tortured, who have suffered, who have lost all hope, who have no one, who think no one cares.

It is the least I can do given all the horrors that have been done in my name, in our name, in the name of America.

Thank you. Your kind words will spur me to try to do more.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 10:27 AM
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15. Thanks for putting these together
We cannot allow our government to keep suppressing the truth. I worry that when we get a Dem administration then he/she will suppress all of this in the name of national security. :puke:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 10:46 AM
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16. "This is a reasonable rationale for continued incarceration in a US-run ..
... justice system?

In the tangled legal-military web we call Gitmo, the tale of the men from Uighur has remained largely untold. (Yeah, I had never heard of it before either, nor could I pronounce it; it's WEE-goor.) It's a classic American story with a postmodern twist: persecuted minority members flee from tyranny, searching for a better life for their loved ones -- then get scooped up in the "war on terror" (hey, a $5,000 bounty for each) and sit in a Guantanamo prison for three years with no access to their families, a lawyer or even the charges against them. Finally, a few months ago, The Boston Globe reports, a military tribunal agreed the 16 men were not "enemy combatants." Not terrorists. But they're still in prison.

Uighur is an autonomous region in northern China with names that also defy spellchecking and whose people are largely Muslim. "There might not be a more pro-US Muslim group in the world because the Uighurs have traditionally suffered under the oppression of the Communist Chinese. I can remember a time when we liked people like that," the Globe quotes the Boston-based lawyer of two of the Uighurs. His clients and their compatriots are in legal limbo because the US fears, justifiably, that the men would be killed if returned to China. And no other country will accept the refugees. The lawyer wants them to be moved to a hotel at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Station, but the military authorities have balked because, well, those guys could still present a "safety and security problem," says prison spokesman Army Major Jeff Weir. "They have been detained in here with some very bad people, under some very bad influences." This is a reasonable rationale for continued incarceration in a US-run justice system?

After hearing the petition to free the Uighurs, Federal District Judge James Robertson may up the ante. Tuesday's Globe reports that he says he could order the prosecution to bring the detainees to his courtroom -- in Washington DC. More likely is that he'll tell the Army to move the stranded Uighurs to Gitmo's facility used for for Cubans, Haitians, et al. seeking asylum.

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From An Injustice No Matter How You Say It by Michelle Pilecki on August 2, 2005

More at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/nellie-b/an-injustice-no-matter-ho_5045.html



Definitely a 'post-modern twist' to what, after 5 years of the brutal Bush neoconster regime, is becoming a 'classic American story.'




Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

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