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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 01:06 AM
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Kay Griggs interview
Has anybody ever seen this? It's really amazing I think. I found this on a site and downloaded it. I'm sorry I don't remember where right now and I don't see it saved in my bookmarks. She basically talks about how the government has this shadow government that runs everything and goes high up in command and is run by military. I haven't seen the whole thing yet but I'm at the part where she is talking about Lee Harvey Oswald. Apparently he was involved in this secret group and they trained him to do their bidding. In Oswald's testimony he claimed not to kill Kennedy. Perhaps he was the scapegoat for this secret elite group. This is why George Bush has this arrogance about him. He knows that he's involved in this group and can get away with anything he wants without being held accountable and since they have the voting machine's. If you haven't you should visit consperiacyplanet.com They have lots of good information on there. If you can find a way to get this interview I really do recommend it.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 01:20 AM
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1. I'm skeptical, and I've not found much confirming this
These sorts of exceptional claims fits in with a fair amount of other information but also include a large set of exceptional claims that aren't verifiable in and of themselves.

If any of this is to be believed, it needs to get some manner of independent verification for the otherwise not verifiable claims. The interviewer in particular has some wingnut associations that discredit him.

There are some body language and other indications that Griggs herself is not lying. However, the interviewer's history also serves to discredit it. So again, independent confirmation from reliable sources is needed, and you have to basically shelve the whole affair (but not throw it away).
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 01:38 AM
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2. Right
Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 01:39 AM by FreedomAngel82
And she seems to be going basically on his diary. How does she know he's telling the truth in the diary? It could all be a front (the diary) to keep the truth away since they probably know people will be talking sooner or later. But she claims they were messing with her psychologically and all. :shrug: Of course it's her word verses them.
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 01:38 AM
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3. Bill Moyers talks about a shadow government
There is not much to be read on a shadow government. Bill Moyers is the only one I ever read on the subject. Google results for his work on a shadow government are here- http://tinyurl.com/7n8gc
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 01:39 AM
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4. Thanks
Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 01:40 AM by FreedomAngel82
I'll check it out. I'm at one part of this interview and they had to stop cause she had to use the restroom and that's why she was kind of antsy (part one). Again it's basically her word verses their's. I trust Bill Moyers very very much. Him and Greg Palast.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 02:06 AM
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5. I'm watching the second part
Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 02:07 AM by FreedomAngel82
and she and another woman both believe that "they" (the shadow government) put Monica Lewinsky in there to get Clinton. I've always had this strange "gut" feeling myself. Simply because Clinton wasn't their type of person. He wasn't a Kennedy or anything like that but he was still different. He did a few things (like CAFTA) to keep them happy I'm sure. I've always wondered if Lewinsky was a plant because she knew how Clinton liked women in the past. I don't know if he still did when he was in the office and was first married to Hillary and their relationship (it's none of my business anyways). Maybe in his younger days or something. I haven't really ever looked much into it. I just thought that was interesting. And there were a lot of strange things with that phone call where she talks about everything and it was out to the public.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 02:19 AM
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6. Read "The Secret Team"
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/ST.html#TOC

A good primer on "how things work."
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 02:26 AM
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7. Thanks I'll do that
Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 02:26 AM by FreedomAngel82
And now I'm on part two almost in the middle and she's talking about S&B. Apparently what happens is not everybody does the coffin masterbating thing but if they do they get right up to the top. I found that particularly interesting.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 02:40 AM
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8. Now she's talking about the Vietnam war
She's saying that Kissinger was one of the players about getting into the Vietnam war. He and another guy (I can't remember his name now) were both cheerleading the war just so they could sell weapons and make money (see the Carlyle Group and they do the same thing) while the Pentagon kept saying no (sounds familiar eh?). She also is saying they were involved in killing Kennedy and how he wanted to change things at the CIA and they saw that as a threat.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 04:18 AM
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9. I've gone to the 7th tape. She is worth studying, isn't she?
Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 04:39 AM by Judi Lynn
I believe it's the fourth tape in which she shares photos of her driven, nutcase Marine officer husband: in the middle of a crazed, violent episode, passed out on the bed, lying flat in his back yard where she said he had been known to throw himself nude at times, and sitting on the floor in a room in his house, undressed with a handfull of papers in his lap. She said that at some points he decided he was going to be a nudist periodically in their lives and she never really got comfortable with it. (I have a hard time grasping how she mentally stretched to accomodate the idea he was a mad dog killer, intimately acquainted with assassinations.)

Also a couple of photos appear of his first wife whom she believes he probably beat to death, and the other Marine officer and his wife with whom they (first wife, not Kay) "wife-swapped." During her interview she said that this information about his life-style with his first wife was related to her by other Marine officers. (It is worth noting that he beat her nearly to death, herself, and she does have ample medical proof of this, and that he continues to be a deep threat to her well being in the present.)

What seemed interesting about her is the fact that her memories seem to spill from her just as naturally as if she were your next door neighbor talking to you over the fence. It would seem she's incapable of having deliberately made any of it up. I think she has explained things in the very best way she could understand them. It's very possible her understanding of what she was seeing may have been spotty, leading her to insufficient conclusions, but she surely seems to be very honest.

Her husband was the liason from the White House to Governor Jamal in Lebanon during the bombing of the Marine barracks there, and she says that that our government DID KNOW the bombing was going to happen well before it did: something to mull over.

She starts getting a little worn out around the sixth tape, and you can tell she's exhausted after all those straight hours of talking. Easy to see she did it all in one day as she didn't change her clothes. I believe she decided to tell it all to a minister on tape as a security measure, since she is in trouble with the Marines and other gubmint officials for squealing on them.

I definitely plan to finish the 7th and then the last segment, as it seems too interesting to put down. I know how you feel!

Here's a summary of the tapes:
http://source.gnn.tv/blogs/7658/Former_Marine_Colonel_s_wife_goes_public_about_corruption_deep_within_the_highest_levels_of_U_S_military_and_government

Here's the link to the tapes themselves:
http://cortez.gnn.tv/blogs/6867/Kay_Griggs_Entire_interview_8hrs_on_Military_Black_Ops_Underground



Kay Griggs
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 04:48 AM
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10. There's a good discussion of it on GNN
that goes in depth on some of the odd claims KG makes, and adds a lot of background. The short version about KG is that although she is an insider to the power-elite, she is not a government official and she is not an expert on deep politics (in that she has never studied it, unlike people like Howard Zinn etc).
I think all in all KG's story is valuable, it's just that there's a lot of fother for nay-sayers.

on the GNN Intelligence forum
http://www.gnn.tv/forum/thread.php?id=4733

As I am watching the interviews (long version), taking notes and such, I realize that Mrs. Griggs is making some innocent mistakes along the way. She makes mistakes usually when it comes to explaining historical material outside of her experience, or she misinterprets/mislabels some events. She is also a proper and pleasant Virginian lady, steeped in the Protestant and (paleo) Conservative culture.

However, despite occasional mistakes and misinterpreations, the bulk of her knowledge about the USA power structure is correct and her insider position makes her knowledge invaluable.

Here is how I correct some of her mistakes/misinterpretations….

KISSINGER is a “communist”? Innocent Paleoconservative Americans, like Mrs. Griggs, are correct that there’s something very fishy about Kissinger and the whole globalist/CFR movement. But they mislabel this anti-constitutional globalist movement as being communist. In fact, US citizens complained in the 1930s to the FBI that the CFR was a secret communist plot. It’s not communist, but the globalist CFR crowd has some communist background, and a willingness to implement bits of communism and fascism.

THE CIA is nothing, “a distraction”? No, the CIA certainly is a force. However, Mrs Griggs apparently is verifying what other researchers have concluded. For example, John Judge {911 Citizens' Commission} has concluded that the Pentagon/DIA/black ops network makes up the bulk of the US intelligence complex. The CIA, says Judge, is more of a smaller cadillac think-tank which distributes/oversees some activity to the larger intel community. Yes, there’s CIA station chiefs and CIA covert ops. But Judge says the military part of intelligence is 10 times the size of the CIA and much more powerful. And now it is getting more powerful than ever before, as the CIA is being whipped into shape and pare down further.

Also, many covert operations which people assume are totally CIA are in fact not. They are DIA or in some way related more to the army, marines, etc. Many of the worst intel offenders in fact were military, such as North, Secord, Singlaub, Wilson, much like how Kissinger himself was army intel.

<much, much more>



one of the posters' blog on GNN
http://www.gnn.tv/users/user.php?id=63

Deep Politics
B06012 / Tue, 10 May 2005 01:28:04 / Miscellaneous

Entry 1: Generalizations

To gain greater insights into how US foreign policy and national security have developed over the decades, one must look seriously at certain arrangements which are not discussed in conventional history books.

I’d like to talk about the curious relationships which have evolved over time between certain 1) US law enforcement, military, and intelligence bureaucracies, 2) political elites and foreign lobbies, 3) organized crime syndicates, and 4) multinational business interests. In every country, at one time or another, there has been instances when these 4 broad forces have intersected to pursue mutual aims. The results, when exposed, are given the terms “corruption”, “crime”, or sometimes the presently ridiculed term “conspiracy”. In the history of America, we can all agree that instances of these have occurred at least on occasion. However, the enduring perception is that these 4 forces are still quite separate from one another, and that their alliances for mutual benefit are temporary and unorganized.

<more>

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 06:02 AM
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12. Thanks for the link. Looks very interesting.
It appears it'll give real depth to the subject. Terrific.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 04:56 AM
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11. btw there's a brand new Whistleblowers Group DU forum
Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 05:12 AM by rman
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