bush gives one finger salute to the USA

[dbeach]

it was that after CAFTA shafta SALUTE coming to an employer near you!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/030805perspective.htm

[RageFist]

1. I've been told that globalism

with regard to the economy was actually a liberal idea since it would be less likely that we would go to war with our trading partners...is there any truth to this?

[Canuckistanian]

5. The problem with that is Conservatives are running the system

Ever notice that "globalism" only really benefits the ones that already have the capital?
AFAIK, "globalism" is another word for "expanding your market".

[RageFist]

7. I see your point

about conservatives running the show...kind of like the whole social security privatization bullshit

[krkaufman]

6. I think Harry Seldon dreamed it up. : )

Globalism/globalization isn't strictly a negative, any more than capitalism is a negative. It's all in the nuance of specifically how the theories are implemented, what flavor of capitalism/globalization is being followed.

I'd think that semi-imbalanced trade as a mechanism to avoid military conflict would be a reasonable trade-off. Uncontrolled free-marketeering and a wholesale sell-out of the American worker -- from the middle class down -- under the guise of pro-democracy globalization is a contradiction. The current globalization effort is all about increasing corporate power over the worker.

[RageFist]

12. Thank you for that...

I was inclined to believe that at least SOME good could come out of trading internationally...maybe I'm being naive but I think that trading with countries like India (who hasn't always liked the US, not that many countries have) is a good thing, despite them wiping out our computer/internet programming/telemarketing job market...which is probably where the conservatives come in. Cheap labor for them, a decent paying job for people in India, and lip service that the economy is good and you can find a job in a different area (never mind that degree that was toiled over).

[texastoast]

19. IBM should be Big Red now

http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/24/news/fortune500/ibm_india/?cnn=yes


"People who say this is simply labor arbitrage don't get it. It's mostly about skills," Moffat was quoted as saying.


Just think. Moffat is telling all you U.S. IT workers that you aren't as skilled as those in India. I doubt many of us bought THAT one.



:eyes:

[texastoast]

11. It is a liberal idea

But the neocon nazies in power now are (expectedly) abusing that power. Globalism is something Jesus would have loved--love your neighbor and everything. But the way the neocons are doing it is (expectedly) screw your neighbor and get all their stuff in the name of free trade (not fair trade). I just love when the neocons bring out this type of spin. Their hypocrisy is SOOOO easy to spot.

[krkaufman]

17. Clinton, DLC and other DINOs also support it...

... this un-/minimally-regulated free market globalization. The Democratic Party needs to be cleansed, to the degree possible, of the Republican Lite politics of the DLC.

FAIR trade, please.

[texastoast]

18. Clinton pissed me off big time

when he let the NAFTA legislation go through that was staged for putting in place by Bush I. That he still gives lip service to his support is disgusting. There are many DINOs who gotta go.

[Kolesar]

2. I saw that on Countdownn with Olbermann

At first glance, it was pretty shocking.

[carnie_sf]

3. Little Lord Pissypants

just being himself

[RobertSeattle]

4. Metaphorically yes, physically no in this circumstance.

It was a thumb but I know what you mean.

[krkaufman]

8. What was a thumb? n/t

[RobertSeattle]

13. Yes, it was a thumb

The low resolutions video and very selective screenshots on the web can easily get someone to interpet it as a middle finger, but if you see it in high resolution (I have a Tivo or the original Leno video) and in slow motion Bush does a very quick thumbs up motion that can be mistaken for flipping the bird when seen at normal speed and low resolution. I'm sure Karl Rove told him later, "George, when you do the thumbs up sign next time, let it linger so there can be no doubt it is a thumbs up or don't do it at all"


Believe me, I wish it were a middle finger as much as anyone, but it wasn't and I think we should be proud members of the reality-based community.

[krkaufman]

16. Got a link to a high-res image?

Just looking for the facts, rather than taking *anyone* else's word for it.

[RobertSeattle]

20. not that I know of

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/finger/poll.shtml

I don't believe the video available here is as good as true TV feed, but you can at least slow it down and take a look for it yourself.

[Deja Q]

9. If it's about free trade and globalization, how come

The US scoffs at foreign countries' bids to buy our corporations?

Or say "free trade" but then prohibit the sale of certain goods and services?

These agreements are utter jokes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. What abouit the chikldren? I mean it

reprot this to the FCC... they do it, every time, Well two can dance the same game

[Victoria Love]

14. Bush salutes us and the world

The problem is, we see this and laugh. So does the rest of the world.

[newyawker99]

22. Hi Victoria Love!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Atman]

15. Maybe this is what you were thinking of...

Bush Sends a Message

[dbeach]

21. Natfta Cafta

Bush gives us all the shafta

looks like a middle finger to me..but sticking a thumb in the face of America is not much improvement...
its about his attitude of non-gratitude which seems to be epidemic amonst the elites

ALWAYS wondered why billy bob pushed through the NAFTA GATT WTO
stuff which were poppy o bush agenda ???and now the CATFA follow -up and soon another... AFTA.