The Holocaust Never Happened

[Beetwasher]

It's an idiotic theory espoused by some (morons), why not teach it in history? If it's appropriate to teach "Intelligent Design" as an "alternative theory" to evolution and teach it in science class, why not teach this "alternative theory" of history in history class?

Discuss.

[VOX]

1. Yes. And let's include "Slavery was actually good for black folks."

"It got them out of Africa, and brought them to America, where they would have more opportunity." :crazy:

That's an alternative viewpoint of history that's certainly worth teaching, too. :sarcasm: :puke:

[wli]

2. check Dubya's visit to Auschwitz

esp. the part where he asks if people ever question the "theory."

[Squatch]

3. Yeah, 6 million Jews actually moved to Bermuda.

They weren't murdered...

:sarcasm:

[Kire]

5. Nuh uh...

...I would'a heard.

[Puzzler]

4. Some people have already tried.

We had our own case in Canada (Alberta, I think) 15-20 years ago.


-P

[cssmall]

6. No, you see. . .

that might piss off the Jews (speaking of which, could someone give me some stats on Jewish-Americans and how they vote?) and keep the richer ones from contributing and the like. :sarcasm: Plus, if they taught that the Holocaust never happened, that might actually show how far America has gone.

[bryant69]

8. Why would it matter how they voted?

Just out of curiousity?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[cssmall]

13. Mainly out of curiousity.

I've always heard that they are liberal; however, I have no proof or stats.

[geek tragedy]

12. I think you missed the point. eom

[cssmall]

14. I got the point, thank you.

[geek tragedy]

16. No, because the OP actually had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

Or Jews for that matter.

[cssmall]

18. *sigh*

I understand exactly what the OP was speaking about. If you would like me to explain, I will. I agree with what was said, being that I am an anthropologist and that I understand evolutionary science and its rammifications. I just curiously wanted to know about Jewish statistics, not to be offensive, just for my own education on the topic of ethnicity and party status, since I'm interesting in the cultures that create liberals and conservatives.

[Beetwasher]

20. You're An Anthropologist?

And you're coming HERE for those statistics? :shrug:

I would think you would have better sources at hand than DU for that sort of thing.

I'm sure about a minute of Googling will lead you in the right direction if not give youe exactly what you need.

[cssmall]

24. Actually, no we don't.

You know how hard it is to study American culture and actually get it past the Internal Review Boards? :eyes:

It's easier when there is a liberal feeling in the air to get studies and grants for American culture, unless they are popular "hot" issues. Though, the study I've tried to get as a thesis for completion of a master's is dead because of a certain political climate and the fact my IRB approval ran out and now I have to start all over again.

Note: I am still in the grunt work stage of anthropology. ;D

[Beetwasher]

27. You Need IRB Approval To Look At Statistics??

Since when? IRB approval is not necessary unless you're dealing directly w/ human subjects or animal experimentation. At least at every institution I've worked at.

[cssmall]

28. Not the stats, I was talking about my personal approval.

Specifically for a study I wanted to undertake on voting and culture in Northwest Arkansas.

[Beetwasher]

30. Ok, But That Wouldn't Preclude You From Getting the Stats You

Requested here.

I assume you were looking for IRB approval for a project in which you were collecting data directly from subject interviews.

[cssmall]

33. No, I can look at any stats I want. They are just stats.

Yeah, I apologize if I made anything unclear. I just thought it would, personally, interesting to see the voting statistics of Jewish-Americans, being that I am in an area with a relatively small amount of Jewish people.

[geek tragedy]

29. You need IRB approval to run a google search? eom

[Behind the Aegis]

21. Start here

http://www.njdc.org/newsdigest/detail.php?id=449

This may lead you to other sources.

[cssmall]

25. Thank you very much for that.

[Behind the Aegis]

31. You're very welcome.

Be VERY careful though. When I typed in "Jewish voting" in a search engine, you would not believe the number of hate sites that came up!

[cssmall]

34. Sadly enough, I do believe it. Dice, Arkansas is only 2 hours east from

where I live and go to school.

[Kraklen]

26. Then as an anthropologist

...you can admit that the flawed and ridiculous logic of Creationists is on par with that of holocaust deniers?

[cssmall]

32. *laugh*

As an anthropologist, no. As a person who holds those beliefs, yes. I can separate it. It's all a part of their culture; however, it is using power to eradicate scientific thought and work, which pisses me the fuck off. I am allowed to defend all facets of my field, yes?

[bluestateguy]

7. Or

Maybe the notion that 9/11 was all America's fault deserves to be given equal time too.

Careful what you wish for, conservatives.

[CatWoman]

9. and "I"M" a virgin

paging "Ripley's Believe it or Not"!!

[ulysses]

11. y'know, I've heard you can be retrofitted.

:silly:

[CatWoman]

19. Where's Mr. Peabody and his wayback machine when you need it?

:D

[Beetwasher]

22. Bah, Virginity Is Overrated!

I'll take a woman who knows her way around town over a tourist everytime! :evilgrin:

[arcane1]

41. amen, brother!

:toast:

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. Then we should also add

The moon landing was staged in a desert in Arizona.

[arcane1]

17. and storks bring babies, too!

:silly:

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. Aren't DUers great?

We have written an entire curriculum right here in this thread!! :)

[whosinpower]

15. It happened

What has not been thoroughly discussed is how it got to the point of where it did - and why didn't the rest of the world stop them before they were gassing millions. Why did America and Canada turn the jews away who fled Germany?

[Kraklen]

23. The holocaust was too horrible to have happened naturally.

Those photographs are doctored and put there by the devil's minions to trick us.

[VPStoltz]

43. You mean is wasn't part of the "design?"

[mikeytherat]

35. For real fun, introduce an Austrian holocaust denier as GERMAN

My sis' first husband had a holocaust-denier mom (Lydia, She-Wolf of the SS we called her) who was Austrian. At the wedding, I introduced her to a buddy (who spoke fluent German) as a German...

She went apo-f**king-plectic; I thought she was gonna pop! Biggest scene I've ever encountered at a wedding. I was 14, what did I know German/Austrian?

FYI: Don't ever do this unless you have a head start!

mikey_the_rat

[HockeyMom]

36. My father-in-law with unit that liberated Buchenwald

He had nightmares for the rest of his life. The only time he ever talked about it with me, he said, "As a German/American I am ashamed that the blood of these monsters runs through my veins". "One of these murderers could even be a relative of mine." That was all he ever said to me about it.

[bleedingheart]

38. my aunt's husband liberated one camp and he was never the same

after that experience....basically drank to make the nightmare go away...

[Beetwasher]

40. I Had Relatives Who Survived The Camps

n/t

[stanwyck]

39. Well, that would make Mel and his papa

happy. And thousands of other Americans. Sadly.
We're sinking into the abyss.
"Both sides" of the Holocaust. Tragedy? or Necessity? The rightwing explains it all for you.
Followed by..."both sides" of geometry. From both perspectives. And both angles.
Sigh.

[VPStoltz]

42. Hasn't the RW been trying to couch the Civil War as an "economic war?"

Because the Supreme Court of the day and the southern state used there "rights" to proclaim slaves property, they are trying to claim that the war was not about slavery. Even a second grader would know better.

[roguevalley]

44. someone mentioned how they need to teach evolution in churches

so that both sides of the issue get presented.