The 'laws' of thermodynamics are baloney...

[Endangered Specie]

Its blasphemous I tell you, they are the laws of the devil.

Ive discovered a miraculous way to get 60000% effeciency out of a car battery! Why, God himself is a perpetual motion machine with infinite energy, if you believe in thermodynamics you deny god and shall burn in hell!

Hey, if we are going to have 'alternate theories' in biology, why not 'alternate theories' of physics and chemistry? :shrug: :sarcasm:

[Turbineguy]

1. I'm interested!

Tell me more!

[Endangered Specie]

13. Sadly enough, there are people who believe this horseshit:

http://www.overunity.com/

[kevsand]

2. "We've always looked at 'em

more as guidelines, anyway..."

[LynzM]

5. LOL

Great line... :rofl:

[etherealtruth]

3. I thought that already was pResidential policy ...

... as evidenced by the stance on global warming, endangered species protections ...

We, as a nation, look like slack jawwed yokels when these ridiculous debates come up!

[arcane1]

4. I've always thought that whole "gravity" thing was kinda sketchy, too

:P

[Coastie for Truth]

6. I always felt that way about solid state electronics and

vector calc -- and most definitely complex numbers. There ain't no such thing as SQRT (-1). It don't exist - work of Satan. I definitely felt that way in Higher Math for Engineers. ;)

Sources, and drains, and gates are satanic.

And collectors, bases, and emitters are almost satanic.

[Endangered Specie]

10. I know that 3d calc is an invention of satan!

;)

[Coastie for Truth]

19. I don't think it genetic either--

I had to struggle for a B- (to get grad credit) --- and my kid aced it,

[Goldmund]

7. Yes, yes, yes!!!

Prayer-powered cars!!!

No more dependence on Islamic oil!

[Skittles]

8. Atkins had his followers conviced those laws were bogus

it can be done I tell you! :o

[SnowGoose]

9. Linguistics too!

You reminded me of a great little satirical screed that can be seen here:

From http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/dec96.html

As has been said "Only the truth is funny". I guess this is funny because it sounds so danged familiar.

Here are a couple of my favorite bits:

Our public schools have turned away from the source of Truth, to teach our children that our sacred English language has descended from other languages. The poor impressionable youngsters are taught AS A FACT that English words have certain "root words", even though this is only a theory. The FACT is, God Almighty created all languages complete when he confused mankind's original language as punishment for our transgression at the tower of Babel. But the atheist/linguists don't want this mentioned in public settings, because it goes against their FAITH, and forces them to face their own accountability. So they have BANNED the teaching of Babelism, because they are afraid that it might expose the weakness of their own linguistic ideas. Is this fair? I don't think so. It goes against all that America stands for.



Third, there is NO evidence that transitional languages ever existed. What use is half a language? A noun without verbs conveys no meaning! Sure, there is middle and old- English. But these are ENGLISH! A complete nontransitional language. We do not deny that micro-linguistics can happen, but this process can create only DIALECTS. There is NO EVIDENCE that a series of random micro-linguistic events can create a WHOLE NEW LANGUAGE. I'll believe in Macro-linguistics when I see a video tape of a child growing up in an Eskimo village suddenly become fluent in Armenian! It takes A LOT MORE FAITH to believe in atheistic linguisticism than the truth of Babelism.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

20. God Gave Man English... with a Texas drawl.

[RobertSeattle]

11. And, Stop this Continental Drift!

Stop it Now!

[JohnyCanuck]

12. In that case, give me one First Law Thermodynamic sandwich

on whole wheat, with lettuce and tomato and mayo. Hold the mustard.

Firrsstttt Lawwwwww Saaaddddwwwwhhhhicchhhh, errrrrrrgggrrrrrggggggleeeeee

[enough]

14. This morning I read that my Senator (Specter) said: "Teach everything."

He agrees with Bush, let the students hear "all sides" (evolution and "intelligent design") and then decide.

I've been trying to think of the perfect example to show what an IDIOTIC idea that is when talking about science.

You have found the example for me. Thank you, Endangered Specie.




http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/12287688.htmPosted on Wed, Aug. 03, 2005

Specter: Teach intelligent design, too

Agreeing with Bush, he said let students hear all sides. Though he also said: "I'm with Darwin."
By Thomas Fitzgerald
Inquirer Staff Writer


Sen. Arlen Specter said yesterday that he sees no harm in teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in the nation's schools as competing explanations for the origin of life.

"My own instincts are to teach everything and let people take their choices," the Pennsylvania Republican said, responding to questions on the topic. "My instinct is not to object to people hearing all sides of all issues, no matter how much I disagree with them."

Speaking in a wide-ranging discussion with editors of The Inquirer, Specter agreed with President Bush, who on Monday told reporters he believed schools should teach both theories.

But, while Bush declined to give his personal views, Specter declared, "I'm with Darwin," the British naturalist who in 1859 propounded the theory of evolution.

snip>

[skids]

15. Closed minds are inferior.

It's better to keep an open mind. You don't need to hide behind dogma to protect yourself from con artists, just don't give them any money.

Several very thoughtful people have pointed out where these "laws" overstep the reasonable bounds of the scientific process, and really should still be called theorems. In addition, the blind worship of these laws is counterproductive to a thoughtful understanding of the limitations which apply to them, just as an imperfect understanding of Earnshaw's theorem held back magnetic levitation research.

The real issue is this: even if we found a way to sidestep thermodynamics, we already have more energy than we can possibly use in the short term falling on us from the only nuclear reactor we really need -- the one in the sky. Any sort of free energy would really only be revolutionary when it comes to space travel. Our current needs are easy enough to fulfill, if only we invested in the problem instead of buying crap and starting wars.

[Beetwasher]

16. Your Theories Intrigue Me! I'd Like to Subscribe To Your Newsletter!

SUBSCRIBE!

[ThomWV]

17. Well, Let's Look At the Rules

Rule 1: Energy, which is discouraged by the welfare state. can be created through prayer.

Rule 2: Any wastrel can be saved with the aid of prayer and the rapidity of being saved is directly proportional to the amount of prayer involved.

Rule 3: It is possible to sink so far into depravity as to evince a total lack of prayer's energy, and become a "liberal" which, of course, is the total absence of gratefulness to God and Government.

That's as close as I can come.

[lavenderdiva]

18. the 2nd law of thermodynamics was always my favorite...

it states: delta S is always greater than zero. ie. the entropy (state of disorder) of any system is always increasing.

I can prove this theory. Just look at my house... disorder in that system IS always increasing.

[jmowreader]

21. I love the fundie justification for Creationism

"Because evolution violates the Laws of Thermodynamics!"

As in, fundies understand the Laws of Thermodynamics.

I'm not certain that fundies understand the law of red lights, judging from all the Jesus-stickered SUVs I see roaring through them. I KNOW they don't do theoretical constructs!

[wli]

22. they're empirical observations

There are actual issues elsewhere, largely centered around Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Macro-scale events have yet to produce contradictory observations.