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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:08 PM
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Bush WARNS GOP on stem cells
President Bush said Tuesday he would veto legislation by Republican lawmakers who want to relax his 2001 restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

"I made it clear to the ... Congress I took the right position, and we'll veto any bill that doesn't adhere to that stance," Bush said in a White House meeting with eight regional newspapers, including The Bee Washington Bureau. "They have a prerogative to pass bills, and I have a prerogative to set limits on what I think is right."

Bush has made the veto threat before, but this was the first time he addressed Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's breakaway announcement that he would support a boost in federal funding for stem cell research.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/medical/story/13345582p-14187499c.html
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:10 PM
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1. It's time to break a few kneecaps
and illustrate what 'lame duck' really means.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:11 PM
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2. This public servant thing is a harsh mistress for Bu$h.
:sarcasm:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:12 PM
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3. Waaaaahhhh! It's my ball, and I'm taking it home!
What a petulant little crybaby.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:13 PM
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4. Someone needs to tell Bush he's not God
nor will he succeed in setting up a theocracy of his narrow interpretation of religion, no matter how hard he tries.

We 're already years behind other countries in science because of Bush's theocratic beliefs and many of our best scientists are leaving this country. He truly believes in the dumbing down of U.S. citizens.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:14 PM
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5. Do they have enough votes to override his veto?
He is such an irrogant ass, acting like he's the only one with "the right" position.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:19 PM
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8. Maybe. Nearly every Dem., plus Republicans who want to
do something popular and put a little space between themselves and an unpopular president.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:27 AM
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37. That's What I Think Too
Frist is obviously putting distance between himself and Silverspoon. The Dems are sure to coalesce to assure a veto proof majority, and unless Frist does a horrible job of assembling moderate Repubs and the liberterian wing, they should be able to override.
The Professor
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:19 PM
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9. It appears that they do...
but, I'm worried about the "perks" given to those who side with this idiot... I predict another repeat of CAFTA arm-twisting.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:20 AM
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29. The Senate should have it.
I hear the House might be trouble.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 04:09 AM
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31. Did you notice
that he uses the Imperial "we" when referring to himself? Another phrase I was sick of the first time I heard it, is when he bullies and says..."I made it perfectly clear..." oh, well, the matter is settled then, right?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:16 PM
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6. That's fine. I heard the Senate already has the votes to over-ride
his veto. If they can get them in the House, Shrub can do what ever he wants.

I'd sure love to see THAT!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:19 PM
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7. Imagine the temper tantrum if they override a veto here!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:36 PM
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18. Bring it on!
I hope his hissy fit is televised.

:popcorn:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:37 PM
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20. I suspect we'd see another after midnight vote bribe in the
House, like the one on CAFTA or the drug bill. I suspect, if the Pub leaders feel there would actually be a veto over-ride, the bribes and threats would make sure they stopped it.

I'd still lovee to see it happen though!
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:21 PM
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10. I think Bush and Frist
are playing "good cop, bad cop" with us. The fundies will praise Bush for his tough stance while mainstream republicans will praise Frist for his support of stem cell research.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:22 PM
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11. What's really moral?
Someone needs to ask shrub why he thinks it's "moral" to throw unwanted fertility clinic embryos in the trash rather than using them to save lives. I've never heard him address that.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:25 PM
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12. he wants them adopted
"Snowflake" babies. Only the white ones of course.

Welcome to DU bluethruandthru!
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Mike_The_Computer Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:30 PM
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15. Pres. Dickhead diverts that question by pointing to
"Snowflake babies!" Wheee! Isn't that a fun, diversionary name? What a friggin' turd.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:21 AM
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36. Hi bluethruandthru!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:26 PM
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13. Stem Cells Warn GOP on Shrub n/t
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:29 PM
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14. Bush doesn't have the Balls to Veto Shit
that's my opinion and I'm sticking with it :headbang:
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ten Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:15 AM
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30. First veto
I can't imagine that Bush wants the only veto of his presidential career to be vetoing medical research. I wouldn't be surprised if he twists the arms of some Senators to approve a face-saving amendment.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:31 PM
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16. "on what I think is right"
WHAAAAAAAAAAT? God, that man makes me want to throw things and destroy property! He really DOES believe he can do/have anything he wants, and how DARE anyone go against him? YAAAARGH!!!!

:mad: :grr:
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:32 PM
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17. Laura and the Chimp
better start "adopting" those embryos because IMO unless he's going to make sure they all grow up to become cute little babies...he needs to get out of the way of science!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:36 PM
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19. ...what you think preznit bush, what YOU think??
You don't think you idiot. Your brain is fried. You are a empty husk of what once may have been a human. You're a pathetic little whore whose life is devoted to creating misery for the planet you fucking douchebag scum sucking morom. GO. TO. HELL.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:47 PM
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21. I think Bush and Frist had a falling out over Bolton. Remember
when Bush called him to the White House after Frist would not bring Bolton's nomination to the floor because he did not have the votes. Bush called him in and when Frist left the WH he told reporters that the President wanted an up or down vote and Frist said that he would see to it that they had an up or down vote.

Wish I could check the video of that conference at the base of the WH driveway. Anyway, you could tell that something was wrong - Frist was not talking with his usual phat attitude. And then, Bolton was never brought to the floor and Frist changed his views on stem cells. I think they are really really at odds but the media is not reporting it. I mean - this is an open war and just imagine if Clinton had been fueding with his leadership. The media would have been rubbing their paws together like squirrels in the fall.
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kerryin2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:51 PM
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22. If a cure for a disease is found 20 years from these stem cells
and if Laura and the chimp happen to catch the disease, will they still be able to benefit from the science or will they reject it?
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:59 PM
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23. If one of the twins
was a Type 1 diabetic I bet the chimp would change his mind in a hurry. Once you watch your child inject insulin 3 or 4 times a day..not to mention pricking fingers to check blood glucose levels 6 or 7 times a day for years.... that really helps clarify the embryonic stem cell issue.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 10:03 PM
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24. BTAT....welcome to DU and cool screen name!
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 10:04 PM
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25. Thanks!
:hi:
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 10:09 PM
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26. I truly hate that self-serving, pompous son of a b__ch. May he get
some truly awful disease that could have been cured with this science, and then may he lay in bed in so much pain that only death will ease, and think how stupid he has been.
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fighttheevilempire Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 11:49 PM
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27. How many of *s bills have been overridden at all?
I'm having a tough time recalling the last time he didn't get what he wanted.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 11:59 PM
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28. "...now, I'm going on my obscene monthlong vacation. See ya." nt
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 04:18 AM
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32. Hold the phone!!!
Frist must've figured out a way to make money off of stem cell research. He certainly didn't grow a conscience. Lizards can only re-grow limbs, and he... IT never had a conscience to begin with. :puke:

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 04:43 AM
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33. The 1st Veto of something that most Amerikans want.
I hope enough of the stooges in the House gather enough courage to over ride his stubborn, arrogant veto.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 04:58 AM
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34. I guess we'll see if it really is fascism yet.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:35 AM
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35. Frist wants to run for Prez in 2008.
He'll point to his flip-flop on stem cell research & his refusal to bring Bolton to the Senate floor as proof he's really a moderate.
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:27 AM
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38. Karma says it's about time for him or one of his
to get Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, or one of many others that stem cell research can help... I'll betcha that'll change his perspective somewhat.
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