Can we assume that U.S. Intelligence Agencies knew about the coup?

[Dover]

That they knew about the neocons and their corporate backer's plans to seize power and dismantle our Constitution? About their shadow government plans and 'work arounds' back in the Iran Contra days and the meetings and plotting and complex collaborations between the corporate sector and their minions to move into the position they're in today? I can't believe they missed it. I don't buy any of the incompetence excuses. And then all the holes in the investigations of the anthrax, 9-11, and numerous other investigations.
If the Intelligence Agencies (and I'm speaking of the upper echelons of these agencies) weren't directly involved, then at the very least they had some understanding of the developments underway.

If it were Kennedy, or Martin Luther at the head of these extremist plans, my guess is they'd already be dead one way or another. But there doesn't seem to be any fear in this group, so confident are they of achieving their ends.

So what's the story? Is it all a charade?

[KnaveRupe]

1. Could be that Poppy Bush used to be the head of the CIA....

Or was he head of SD-6? I can never remember... ;-)

[wli]

2. Poppy Bush was DCIA

And yes, that means his VP-ship and presidency were illegal.

[aquart]

3. Explain

[shraby]

4. I don't think a person can hold two government

offices at the same time is what is meant.

[wli]

6. The DCIA was barred from being VP or prez after the Church Committee

Look up the Church Committee.

[tritsofme]

7. That doesn't seem possible, absent a constitutional amendment

How could a Senate committee remove the eligibility of someone to hold the office of President?

[wli]

8. the committee itself didn't do so, it was done due to their findings

I'm looking up the law and will follow up with the detail (act, law, refutation, etc.).

ON EDIT: I'm having trouble finding this. I could be wrong.

[Wetzelbill]

10. I've seen pictures of Poppy with Sark and Irina Derevko....

:) :tinfoilhat:

[wli]

5. well, given the history, they were probably in on it

This stuff goes back to WWII or earlier. c.f. the whole Allen Dulles/United Fruit/Guatemala affair, or the Mossadegh overthrow.

Anyway, the reason the Constitution didn't evaporate instantly is that it provides an expression for the popular will and the like that's useful for dissipating the public's discontent.

The public's freedoms and welfare by and large are of little concern to the actual elites, whether degraded, improved, or otherwise. For instance, the "black budget" over the past few years is something on the order of 1.7 to 2.3 trillion dollars annually. Odds are they either don't care or they think a shift to a more authoritarian form of government is necessary to deal with future conditions (e.g. massive global economic hardships from peak oil and simultaneous global economic collapse due to over-accumulation of capital). If there is concern, it's because they think Bushler's going to destabilize things, e.g. by causing sufficient civil unrest as to disrupt the elites' wealth before enough of the police state apparatus is erected to contain such unrest.

Frankly, I expect Bushler's (well, probably really Cheney and Rumsfeld's) "plan," so to speak, is mass imprisonment and holocaust-like extermination of dissidents early-on under the aegis of the "war on terrorism" or the "Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism." That probably elicits a gut response from a few whistleblowers, but nary a wink from the actual elites. If I'm right, and Bushler doesn't go through with these things himself, we'll see a great deal of continuity from future leadership even after Bushler himself is ousted (e.g. the PATRIOT Act is renewed in perpetuity, torture and revocation of due process upheld in perpetuity, and zero accountability in perpetuity), and probably a holocaust and mass imprisonment anyway.

So the intelligence agencies aren't really looking out for us at all. They're either merely miffed that Bushler slighted them, or otherwise are taking Bushler down because he's destabilizing the imposition of a police state by provoking the populace before they're sufficiently prepared to pacify it.

[flordehinojos]

9. the bushes (going back several generations to Prescott Bush) love POWER

and MONEY they also know that money buys them POWER but they also know that THROUGH POWER they can increase THEIR MONEY.

THEY WORSHIP POWER AND DO ANYTHING TO RETAIN IT... Poppy knows how to manipulate people so they will bend their knee to him and he has trained his sons to do just the same: get people to bend their knees to them...in other words...people toe the bush line.

[OKthatsIT]

11. 9/11 was an inside job.

Get with the program...We're ahead without your blessings.

[Dover]

12. Just trying to sort out WHO was inside.

CIA, FBI, Corporations, Government,....?