it is time to dissemble the NRA...

[bridgit]

& their 2nd amendment gibberish: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/02/national/main713352.shtml why is: wayne la pierre, considered a thinker & protectorate of american thought? and why are the NRA exalting functional illiteracy?

[tanyev]

1. Dissemble or disassemble?

:evilgrin:

[bridgit]

2. disassemble their: dissembling

:woohoo:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

3. Gee, I just can't understand why they wouldn't want parking lots full

of guns at the work place.

:sarcasm:

That way when someone goes ballistic and starts shooting up the office, they can ask him or her to wait while they go get own guns to make it a real party.

[bridgit]

7. thank you, now a tear-ist don't even need to pack a gat...

past the guard house, he can walk on in with a tuna fish sam-mich in a brown paper bag, bust out the window in ole bubba's big-dumb-ass truck, yank 'brown bess' off his mobile gun rack without a lock that matters to anyone & shoot up the place :shrug: they have just got their free pass for manufacturers zipped through congress & now this, this boycott threat is one of the most insatiably dumb-ass spectacles imo

[imenja]

4. and how do you propose to do that?

[bridgit]

8. if you think you need the NRA to own a gun...

or protect your rights...you are wrong

[imenja]

31. I despise guns and the NRA

but your OP said it's time to "dissemble the NRA." I'd like to know how you propose doing so?

[Wickerman]

5. I think loaded guns around petroleum products is a GREAT idea!

what could go wrong? :shrug:

[bridgit]

9. thanking you as well...

this shit is bananas = b-a-n-a-n-a-s :silly:

[Prism]

6. What the . . .

No matter where people come down on the 2nd amendment, surely a company has the right to ban firearms from its own property.

How bizarre.

[mtnester]

10. I agree with you...a company has that right absolutely

My workplace bans firearms from coming inside the door, with Peace Officers excepted (we live in a CCW state).

I am a CCW permit to carry owner, and I don't take my gun in if you ask me not to.

[Guaranteed]

12. Can you, similarly, see how people would be against others

carrying guns in public as a matter of public policy (like corporate policy)?

Aren't the reasons the same?

[mtnester]

15. I won't win a gun argument with anyone who is dead set against it

I am one of those lifelong Dems who don't support that one partular platform.

Plus, there is another forum for guns rights discussions (which I suspect before long is where this thread will end up being moved by the mods, seems that happens most times anyway)

:)

[Guaranteed]

25. I'm a 2nd Amendment supporter.

I'm just against carrying guns in public.

[mtnester]

30. Does your state have conceal carry?

I am not rabid about it, but in Ohio, if my next door asshat wingnut has a CCW, I thought it would be wise if hubby and I do too.

We were both raised around guns (my Dad a cop, us on a farm , hubby a hunter) and we take gun safety seriously. So did our parents.

My first lesson learned, and it was required by each of us kids, whether we ever shot another gun in our lives or not, was at 5 years old, Dad would take us to the back yard for the first time, load the 10 gage, and tell us he was going to show us how to shoot. Of course we were excited cause we knew it would be EASY to learn how to shoot.

Well, he would hand over the gun, get us standing squared in target stance , have us aim, REINFORCE to keep the butt of the gun tucked tight, and then told us to aim at the target and fire.

Well, anyone who has ever shot a 10 gage can tell you what happened next. BOOM...gun knocks our shoulder dang near out of socket, you are deaf, on the ground, and bawling. We always went alone, he took each individual kid while the others were not around, cause he did not want anyone to know what would happen to them when it was their turn. None of us ever told the unsuspecting next victim either (I mean, if I got knocked on my ass, so should my brother who would be next)

My father always kept guns locked in a safe, key with him at all times, and ammunition locked in another safe with key in his possession. But I tell you, none of us ever handled a gun out of curiosity after the initial lesson.

We have been trained by firearms master instructors, and feel we are responsible about guns in public. Of course, not everyone is like us, and we realize what a danger it can be and is for some.

And surprisingly, we do not carry them as much as you think we would. We do not take them into the movies, to a concert, to dinner, etc. We mostly rely on pepper spray for those times, which has a higher likelihood of accidental discharge than a gun. (think purse, a pencil getting stuck in the lid, and bam, spray everywhere)

I suppose that is enough for now. I really do wish that we could re-frame the platform of gun control to gun responsibility. It would be better for everyone.

[ArkDem]

32. My 10 gauge doesn't kick, at all. It is, however, pretty loud

because of the 23 inch barrel.

http://www.remington.com/firearms/shotguns/sp10camo.htm

[Guaranteed]

11. Totally agreed.

I'm a gun rights supporter, but this is pretty clear.

I don't think people should have guns in their cars anywhere, actually (other than transporting them when they're actually going to use them).

[bridgit]

13. correct...

La Pierre clearly could care less for the volatility & safety of not only the parking lot but the surrounding 100's of square acres of people either working or living nearby & all for his insane disregard imo for the 2nd amendment

[mixedview]

14. I can understand why they're terrified of regulation

even though reasonable regulation is neccessary.

In rabidly anti-gun states like NY and CA you have to basically kneel down and beg the government to exercise a constitutional right.

There are anti-gun extremists out there who don't believe in the right of self-defense. They have become so accustomed to a protected, pampered existence.. so trusting of authority.. they believe the gov't has a duty to protect them - it does not.

When the gov't decides to assume the responsibility of protecting each and every citizen, the 2nd Amendment can be repealed/modified - not before.

[derby378]

16. If it weren't for a DNS error...

...I'd have a little tiny alternative to the NRA on-line right now, but it looks like it's going to be a few more days before my website is up and running again.

[bridgit]

17. post it when up & running, please...

:hi:

[The White Tree]

18. The NRA beleives more in the right of people to sell you guns

then in your right to own them it would seem.

Rather then being interested in responsable gun ownership, they seem to spend more time in advocacy for providing a full spectrum of guns and gun related products to the masses, regardless of the consequences.

This was the impression my brother in law, a hunter and gun owner seemed to have of them as well.

[bridgit]

20. i think that's right, they're ever-playing to their fan base...

that feeds that 'cash cow' imo it is all about money & far less about the 2nd amendment, they're approach to 'the 2nd' is usury; an affront as such

[ThomWV]

19. You Won't Be Taking Apart Anything

Get this in your head. The NRA is exercising its constitutional right to free speech and is protecting your other constitutional right, the one to bear arms. Who in hell are you to deny those right to the people who wish to exercise them?

There is something they are absolutely right about too,it what their interpretation of what the Amendment says:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

What part of the word "People" and the phrase "Shall Not Be Infringed" do you not understand?

[bridgit]

21. those kindly, well cobbled words were made forth...

to redress an antique people = us, put upon by a foreign tyrant who would come into our homes, pull our firearms from off our mantles, and then kill us in the commons before our friends & our children...what...the fuck...are you yaking about?

there is virtually no relation between this: "Shall Not Be Infringed" & this: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/02/national/main713352.shtml

the bush admin flaunts freedom & liberty in the very same way. if you think that the bush admin cares two figs for your lofty 'take' on what is & what ain't, then your concerns may-need be extended beyond a picayune fixation on 'the 2nd'.

there is also mention of a free press. where is your outrage, neighbor :shrug:

[MadHound]

22. Well, first off, we don't need the NRA to protect our 2nd Amendment rights

The NRA is a RW organization that plays into the fears and paranoia of people, all for the almighty dollar.

Second, the vast majority of people, NRA members and otherwise, support reasonable regulation of guns, things like registration, background checks, etc. etc. This is a democracy, so we the people have the right to implement these regulations if the majority of people so wish. Yet you sound like you don't like that idea, is that correct?

And if that is so, if you don't want any restrictions on gun ownership, is there a line that you wouldn't cross, and where is it drawn? In other words, are you in favor of people owning assault weapons? Machine guns? Cannons? Tanks? Bombs? A nuke? These are all arms friend, so where do you draw the line?

But opposing the NRA is not oppossing the 2nd Amendment. I own guns myself, but you will never, ever catch me supporting the NRA. They have a very RW, paranoid agenda that they wish to implement, and they will impose the tyranny of the minority in order to achieve their ends. Let me give you an example. Back in the ninties, the NRA came into my state, Missouri, and lobbied for a CCW bill. It passed through our legislature, but was vetoed by govenor Carnahan. A few years later, in a precedent setting move, the NRA got behind an initiative petition to put CCW on the ballot, and spent millions in order to get the people of Missouri to vote for Prop B. However the majority of Missouri voters clearly signaled that they didn't want CCW in this state. Undettered, the NRA bided its time, waited for a 'Pug govenor to get into office, AND THEN USURPED THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! They pushed another CCW bill through the legislature, and then their pocket govenor signed the bill, AGAIN, ALL AGAINST THE CLEARLY STATED WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF MISSOURIANS! Do you think that is right, that it is just?

Sorry, but quite frankly the NRA needs to dry up and blow away. We would be a much better nation without them.

[ThomWV]

27. Who Else Is Working To Protect Our 2nd Amendment Rights Then?

Is Move On working to protect our 2nd Amendment rights? Is there some other liberally slanted orginization working to protect my 2nd amendment rights? I ask because if there is I'll send money to them as well as my annual dues to the NRA - and paronoia by fellow Democrats about the NRA sure isn't gong to stop me from doing so. You know, if the Democratic party took a realistic view of gun ownership and then vowed to defend the Constitution its quite likely that the NRA would swing NRA support over to our Party instead of the Republicans.

[MadHound]

28. Stop buying the fucking RW NRA hype

The second amendment isn't under attack by Democrats or anybody else. Have you actually heard, outside of the RW paranoid gun-nut circles of anybody, Dem or 'Pug who is coming to take away your guns? Do you honestly think that the government is going to send the BATF around to snatch people's guns? Do you realize how many Wacos that kind of stupidity would result in? Get a fucking grip friend, and stop listening to those paranoid rantings.

It is enshrined in the Constitution that you can have your guns, and despite all of the ranting by those in the NRA, unless this country completely abandons the Constitution, you will always be able to have your guns. And if this country abandons the Constitution, well friend you're going to have a lot more to worry about than just your guns.

[The White Tree]

23. So are you part of a well regulated militia?

Context would appear to be everything so to speak.

If not then the argument you are making hear about the right to keep and bear arms does not really seem to have validity.

That would be like saying that the right to free speech allows me to break into other peoples homes and force them to listen to my political views.

Given that, perhaps the amendment should be re-written to more accurately reflect todays realities as opposed to yesterdays.

Just a thought.

Another would be that the words "well regulated" certainly leave open the question of what level of regulation is appropriate. In that sense anything short of removing the right to own a gun would seem to be constitutionally justified including many things that the NRA advocates against that seem reasonable to me like this situation and the assault weapons ban.

Ergo, I don't think the NRA is fighting for the right to own guns or bear arms necessarily in the way you are stating it hear. I think they are fighting for something much more profitable to them as an organization. That is not unique to organizations that develop a large power base, look at the corruption that occurred in unions.

I just think/hope that there is a middle ground on this issue where sensible gun-control could be accepted by an overwhelming majority of the people with the understanding that the basic rights to life and liberty include a basic right to self-defense that includes owning a gun. Unfortunately I don't think we ever get there because selling guns and all the accessories that go with it is just too damn profitable, regardless of who you sell them to.

[ThomWV]

24. No - But I Own A Shitload Of Guns

And I have the Constitution protecting my right to own them - even if there are shitloads of Democrats who think the Constitution only means what it says when it suits their misguided, or severly limited, view of the world.

So basically if you don't like the 2nd amendment then you should try to have it repealed, but for myself, I'll keep on sending my donation to the NRA, just like I do to Move On, because each of them is working to protect my rights .... if you like it or not.

[derby378]

26. Good for you

And you are part of the "well-regulated Militia," whether you realize it or not. We all are. And you have the right.

[The White Tree]

29. You certainly have a right to believe what you believe.

But for the record I don't think I said anything about your right to own guns and that I thought it should be taken away. I was simply posting a comment based on an argument you were making.

This is a discussion forum after all.

I have no interest in trying to rewrite the 2nd Amendment either, as I said it was just a thought. One of the reasons why would be the immediate suspicion of people like you who as you state would feel that it would only be suiting my misguided or limited view of the world to even suggest such a thing.


Nice talking to you though. :yourock: