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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:34 AM
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Glaring example of Republican Christo-facist hypocrisy in action
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 11:03 AM by KzooDem
The Christian Reformed Church is a hyper-conservative demonination headquartered in the right wing, Republican stronghold of Grand Rapids, MI.

The newly-named head of the church got caught with his hands in the cookie jar of a female colleague. He technically wasn't supposed to officially take over the reins until later this month. It was discovered that he planned to promote a female colleague with whom he was having an "inappropriate" relationship. Both he and the colleague are MARRIED!

DON'T YA JUST LOVE THESE REPUBLICAN/CHRISTIAN FAMILY VALUES???? Fucking hypocrites....

GRAND RAPIDS -- Despite the stunning resignation of its top administrator over an allegedly inappropriate relationship with a female colleague, the Christian Reformed Church will recover and heal, the CRC's newly named executive director says.

Officials allege Bremer, who was to assume his post Aug. 22, sought to promote a woman with whom he had an inappropriate relationship to be the CRC's director of development. Both are married. Bremer denies having a sexual relationship with her. The woman worked for RACOM Associates, a nonprofit agency that raises funds for the Back to God Hour.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-24/1123166704135900.xml&coll=6#continue
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:42 AM
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1. Hypocrisy 101
1. Live the hypocrite life - piously denouncing others while doing the same thing.
2. When caught, if you can't blame others or other things, make a huge emotional demonstration - pleading for forgiveness and that you'll never do it again.
3. Go back to step 1, Repeat.
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carnie_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:44 AM
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2. As demonstrated
by Jimmy Swaggart
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:13 AM
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8. Yep
My brother goes to a Southern Baptist church that has had it's share of soap opera events like this. Church attendence spikes on "I'm so sorry" day - it's great theatre.



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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:49 AM
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3. Hmm, our family saying is "Of whom there is no more reformed than
the Dutch Christian Reformed Church". That's what this denomination used to be called. My grandfather and his family were "Dutch Christian Reformed" from Grand Haven, MI and Holland before that. Makes for some interesting family gatherings if topics of any substance are brought up.

My experience with them (the relatives) is that they are extremely racist and extremely intolerant of any other denominations. Very Calvinist in the sense that "if you are good, God will see to it that you are wealthy." Perhaps that's why the Amway cult has such a strong religious component. The Founders, the DeVos family, are Dutch Christian Reformed from that part of Michigan.

Not surprisingly, the Apartheid movement in South Africa was developed, supported, and enforced by the Dutch Christian Reformed church members who ran the country.

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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:47 AM
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13. Lived briefly in Grand Haven ...
... ironically, with my (then) Indian Muslim SOUTH AFRICAN husband ... yeah.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:51 AM
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14. Bet you guys got the evil eye at the Tip A Few Tavern!
Talk about being a fish out of water...your poor husband. I can only imagine why you only lived there briefly.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:28 PM
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20. It was often disturbing to people ....
...to see us together; my Irish/Scots ancestry just couldn't be reconciled with his, by the locals. On his own he really didn't raise any eyebrows.

(Don't feel too bad for the man, though; I eventually came to wonder if he was a sociopath...)
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:59 AM
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4. OMG. I know a woman who while divorced was boffing the head of
that same group in Grand Rapids like 25 years ago! It was an open secret. She was his "church secretary", a Mom, divorced, while he was a married lying bs pillar of the Church!

I goto this from the woman years after she's finally moved away and broken it off...

Some things NEVER change!
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:01 AM
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5. "...got caught with his hands in the cookie jar of a female colleague..."
:rofl:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:06 AM
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7. Wouldn't that be cookie "box"???
Ok, I am going to duck and run for my life!!!!!!:evilgrin:
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:05 AM
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6. I google news'd "Despite the stunning resignation of its top administrator
...and got just one hit from 56 minutes ago (yours):

Results 1 - 1 of 1 for Despite the stunning resignation of its top administrator over an. (0.04 seconds)

CRC names director to replace minister who was forced out
Muskegon Chronicle, MI - 56 minutes ago
Despite the stunning resignation of its top administrator over an allegedly inappropriate relationship with a female colleague, the Christian Reformed Church ...


Let's bring this to the attention of our local news editors and ask they pick it up. These hyporcites need to be exposed for what they are.

Nominated for greater exposure.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:17 AM
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9. EXCELLENT point......I'm local to this story and just caught the noon news
WOOD-TV 8, which is in Grand Rapids, is in the midst of their noon newscast. This was the 8TH NEWS SEGMENT!! The CRC is headquarterd in Grand Rapids, half the damned city is Christian Reformed and they buried it. As a matter of fact, it came AFTER they talked about Kalamazoo (60 miles away) getting a new Catholic bishop.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:19 AM
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11. self delete
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 11:20 AM by paineinthearse
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:18 AM
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10. The article is innacurate, Bremer assumed dutes on August 1!
Is the Christian Reformed Church lying in order to save face?

http://209.200.88.167/pages/synodnews07.cfm

CRC appoints Bremer as Executive Director


Rev. Cal Bremer

June 15, 2005 Palos Heights, Ill. – Synod 2005 voted unanimously last night to appoint Rev. Calvin Bremer as the executive director of the Christian Reformed Church in North America. The appointment is effective Aug. 1, 2005.

Bremer has been a pastor in the CRC since 1972, and has spent the past nine years at the Back to God Hour, the CRC’s electronic media ministry.

He told delegates that the most critical issue facing the Christian Reformed Church today is the consumer mentality. People will leave if a church doesn’t meet their expectations, he said. “We can’t keep doing church the way we’ve done it for the past 20 years or we will die.”

He said his vision for the CRC is of a church that knows its identity. “God has given us things we must offer. We must articulate and lead from the vantage point of those who know what it is to claim every square inch for the Lord Jesus Christ.”

more......
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:41 AM
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12. Great catch, paininthearse!
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 11:43 AM by KzooDem
I'll do a little digging....
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:22 PM
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19. Letter sent to m.live
http://www.mlive.com/contactus/

Re CRC quick to find new director
Thursday, August 04, 2005By Charles Honey
Press Religion Editor

"...Officials allege Bremer, who was to assume his post Aug. 22..."

Mr. Honey owes your readers a bit more investigation.

According to the CRC's own press release, Rev. Bremer's term began August 1, thus he was already in the position, not poised to assume it.

Ref - http://209.200.88.167/pages/synodnews07.cfm

"CRC appoints Bremer as Executive Director
June 15, 2005 Palos Heights, Ill. – Synod 2005 voted unanimously last night to appoint Rev. Calvin Bremer as the executive director of the Christian Reformed Church in North America. The appointment is effective Aug. 1, 2005...."
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:00 PM
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15. Dontcha know it doesn't count if they don't get caught?
And when they do get caught, all they have to do is apologise for sinning, do a little crying and breastbeating, and then hey, presto, it's all OK?

It's the way it works for fundies.

"hands in the cookie jar of a female colleague" - funniest thing I've seen all day!
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:07 PM
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17. RE: "Hands in the cookie jar of a female colleague..."
They are only calling it an "inappropriate relationship," and denying it was sexual in nature. Yeah, right. What are we supposed to believe...that they would call each other up and steamily recite passages from the Song of Solomon to one another?

At any rate, I thought that term sort of covered all the bases...
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:33 PM
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22. Your "Song of Solomon" reference
reminds me of something. My stepmother back in Georgia is a far-rightwing fundie who studies the bible for an hour first thing in the morning and again before she goes to bed at night, and is at church every time the doors are open. A few years ago she was reading the book of Solomon and was deeply distressed because of what it contained. I remember her saying she couldn't "imagine what was in God's mind when He wrote that" (honest, she said that!).

Guess that explains why she and my dad never had any kids...

But yeah, the words "cookie jar" will never mean quite the same thing for me ever again!
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:30 PM
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21. Exactly
and even then you won't get reprimanded a la Turdblossom
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:02 PM
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16. It's really sad
I told my mother about this and she just shook her head. It's no wonder why people in this country are offended by religion. They want to impose on everybody's lives and rule us and tell us what to do in our own bedrooms when they're hypocrites themselves! We should use this.
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Democracy White Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:09 PM
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18. Oh Lord....
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 12:10 PM by Democracy White
That's Grand Rapids CRC for ya!!! I know a lot of people that are CR and I can tell you that they are one of the most fake people in the world.

I sung in the choir of a CRC and I will tell you that I didn't like the whole atmosphere.

I never did get why people act so righteous and pious on Sunday at church and then go home and drink beer and swear.

Dee

EDIT: I wanna move out of Grand Rapids.

Oh and hi KzooDem, :hi:
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:05 PM
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23. "We've been through crises before..."
Further down the article...."We will survive this," said the Rev. Peter Borgdorff after being named Wednesday to replace the Rev. Calvin Bremer. "We've been through crises before. We know something about the God we serve, and he will sustain us in difficult times."

:wtf: does this mean? Have they had proior problems with adulterous administrators and/or clerics? Enquiring minds want to know.

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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:50 PM
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24. RE: prior problems with adulterous administrators?
See post #4. If the poster's allegations are correct, it would appear that they have.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:48 PM
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25. Recommended. This is why I sleep in on Sundays!
Good luck to the parishoners who actually take the message of Jesus seriously (and not the literary efforts elsewhere in the Bible).
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:59 PM
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26. it's wrong to take joy in the misfortunes of other
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 12:00 AM by dwickham
but in this case, I'll make an exception

:rofl:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 05:24 AM
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27. "inappropriate"???
What's that? Like white shoes before Easter?
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 05:57 AM
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28. Since I'm from Detroit, I can't Identify with Grand Rapids
Something tells me that I wouldn't like it at all
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:08 AM
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29. sorta brings to mind a carly simon lyric . . .
'nobody does it better' . . .

ellen fl
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