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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:46 PM
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OK Military Folks... You Tell Me... Is This Guy An " Armed US Soldier"?
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 05:50 PM by leftchick
Because he just does not look like one to me....



Escorted by an armed US soldier, Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari, center rear, arrives to attend an Iraqi police graduation ceremony in the southern Iraqi town of Hilla, Thursday, Aug. 4, 2005. Over 400 new policemen graduated during the event. At a press conference held later in the day in Baghdad, Jaafari announced a new security plan for Iraq which had been adopted by government. (AP Photo/Alaa al-Marjani)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:46 PM
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1. Nope I'd say that is a Blackwell merc
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:47 PM
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5. meaning he makes 10 times more $, all the armour he needs, etc
:grr:

fucking mercenaries :mad:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:48 PM
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6. I agree, that's a hired goon in the pic.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 04:06 AM
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68. Definitely a hired THUG
These people are the SCUM of the EARTH



Here are a few handpicked HOODLUMS with Murderer and WAR CRIMINAL BREMER

Note the Thug on the far right carrying the same kind of heat as the Mercenary protecting this week's Bush Criminal Quisling Lap Dog.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:49 PM
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11. That is my thought as well
I have never seen the identity of the mercs hidden in the captions before. They usually always identify them as US Security forces or contractors.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:28 PM
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56. Blackwater, right?
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reformedrepub Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:26 PM
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83. SF Type
Nadia,

Probably not a merc, more than likely a "teams" guy. SOC guys are allowed to dress "to the enviroment" while in theatre.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:47 PM
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2. He looks like one to me
What looks suspicious to you?
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:48 PM
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7. He is not in uniform.
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retnavyliberal Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:55 PM
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39. looks like desert cami to me
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:42 PM
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48. No it's not
It's not camouflage at all.
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retnavyliberal Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:12 PM
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52. if you say so *rolls eyes* .... n/t
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:42 PM
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57. Don't roll your eyes...OPEN THEM
It isn't camouflage, period. If you look at the picture you'd know that much. In case you didn't know, "camouflage" is a mixture of colors (to blend in to one's surroundings). He is not wearing this.
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retnavyliberal Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 07:15 PM
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74. the new desert cami has digital-like patterning that is very subtle ....
when you compare them to the old kind. If you look closely at this man's sleeve, you may see a a pattern there that looks like the new cami, admittedly in bright light and poor picture.

All I said in my original post is it looked like desert cami to me.

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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:37 PM
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87. Well,
I didn't mean to insult.

However, look at the camo that US soldiers are wearing here:

(from July 24, 2005)

There are clearly patches of dark brown on the sleeve and vest.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 03:01 AM
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66. Incredible! When the heck did you serve in the military?
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retnavyliberal Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 07:58 PM
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78. 21 years 1981-2002 n/t
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:25 AM
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62. All I can say is...
I wish that you had been my CO. Inspections would have been a lot easier.


The man is uncovered.

The man is not in uniform--that is not camo

Even if it were camo, what the hell is going on with his civilian sleeve?
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retnavyliberal Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 07:41 PM
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75. I never said he was military, just that it looked like the new camo...
with his sleve rolled up like I have seen alot of army and marines do.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:47 PM
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3. He is private military security
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:47 PM
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4. Nope. He is not in uniform.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:49 PM
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12. whatever he is-he is touting a BIG gun.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:55 PM
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19. I was going to say: too well outfitted myself. n/t
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:15 PM
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33. Looks like a M4. The Army carries them also now. Replaced the M16.
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Pystoff Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:46 PM
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36. Might be a HKMP5K
Kinda hard to tell from that view but needless to say only special forces and some heliocopter pilots use those sooooo.....Merc defiantely.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:49 PM
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37. No, it's some type of M4 variant; we are seeing it from underneath. nm
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Pystoff Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:04 PM
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40. Yes but
Saw BlackHawk Down just yesturday and a chopper pilot (Michael Durant I think it was supposed to be) had what appeared to be a MP5K with a flash suppresor that looks alot like the one on the weapon in this pic on his as well. And in the movie that was definately a MP5K (makes a very odd suppressed sound when fired unlike the M4 which sounds like a M16 more or less. But this is splitting hairs so maybe I am wrong but to be honest I don't care that much LOL. Either way looks like something I'd love to "play" around with on a shooting range :evilgrin:
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ElectricHermit Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:17 PM
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42. Actually
M4 refers to the barrel type. What this guy is carrying is a special OPS carbine...short barrel.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:02 PM
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54. No, the M16 is gone. It has been replaced with the M4.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 10:04 PM by SouthernDem2004
It is a variation of the M16.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as17-e.htm
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:16 PM
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81. For the army, yes
.
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:48 PM
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8. Mercenary,
excuse me, I mean "contractor".
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:53 PM
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15. or
"private security" :eyes:
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:48 PM
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9. at least he is holding the weapon correctly....but...
....does not appear to be overjoyed at being in the photograph.

yeah, blackwell all the way...
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:49 PM
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10. No cover. Dead giveaway.
Hired guns.
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:12 AM
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60. That's what stands out to me, too. n/t
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:49 PM
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13. I agree - He looks like a private security guy to me
Probably pulling down a cool 10K+ tax free a month.



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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:53 PM
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14. Probably not a soldier. Looks like civilian security.
Possibly Delta or SF, but I don't think so.

Why are our tax dollars going to guard Iraqi vips? Don't they have Iraqis willing to guard members of their "democratic" government?

Pictures like this show how the Iraqi government is nothing but a puppet government and won't last five minutes after we leave.
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:53 PM
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16. Hair's too long,
even for the Army!
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:53 PM
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17. Hubby says No Way
State of the art weaponry, (not M16) His clothing, no helmet and those pricey shades. Hubby who was there during Iraq part 1 states no.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:57 PM
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21. That is what I thought
everything is wrong especially the weapon. I am sure he is Blackwater from my state of NC! Paid with our tax dollars at about 10 times the US Soldier rate.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:00 PM
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28. Oh yes and without much of the risk.
Maybe we should hire them to go to Iraq and fight this bogus war. I guess not it would take too much profit away from the haliburtons.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:55 PM
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18. Excellent Find. More Lies. SOme Are So Very Sneaky.
They can slide right past you.

If this guy is not a high paid mercenary, then I'm the president!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:57 PM
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22. Well Mister President when are the troops coming home?
:-)
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:58 PM
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24. They Do Slowly. In Boxes....
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:44 AM
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58. The way you said that....
it is too sad.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:08 PM
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31. oh oh mr. presdent!!!
I have a question.... When Will You QUIT?????? PLEASE!!!!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:11 PM
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32. I'd kie to ask if the pupet master is ready to take over
:-)
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:28 PM
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34. Probably not a lie...
The guy in the pic is probably a paid body guards. I am sure US soldiers were also there guarding the group but not as body guards. I doubt he would venture out like that withour US cover.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:03 PM
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38. after having viewed literally thousands of these photos
on Yahoo. I have to say I have yet to see any US Military guarding any of the Iraqi puppets, US ambassadors or anyone else in the Green Zone. Those duties seem to have been totally taken over by the Private Security firms at a much higher price tag. Paid by us. :(
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 07:49 PM
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76. Who's doing the lying?
Looks like a caption writer screwed up - what's the big deal?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 07:58 PM
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77. "what's the big deal?... misinformation ... disinformation ... lies
Go back to sleep! ... OBEY!

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:14 PM
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80. It was an AP caption writer...
I would understand if it was a government or military press release - but come on! Do you think the press is full of ex-military people who can look at that picture and know exactly what they are looking at?

Go ahead and drink the Kool-aid, I'd rather think for myself.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #80
82. Put down the Kool-Aid now! ... Step away from the glass...
Start thinking for yourself for a change. You can do it. Take baby steps. :D

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:26 PM
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84. I get it now..
I thought you were serious - sorry about that.;)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #84
86. I cannot be trusted to deliver 100% seriousness.
:D

... except when it comes to my sisters and brothers getting killed and maimed in an illegal occupation.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:56 PM
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20. He looks like Jeff Gannon's wet dream
"Don't you love my big gun?"

Did I just say that out loud? Oh dear....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:58 PM
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25. eeeewwww!
but very true.
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Caleb Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:59 PM
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26. I'm not a military guy
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 05:59 PM by Caleb
But he looks like one of those private security mercs. He has no uniform and no US flag anywhere.

I bet this guy is making 50 times the amount of money our troops are making, aswell.
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pursuivant Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:00 PM
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27. No helmet, not in uniform, not carrying an M-16
He doesn't look like a U.S. soldier to me.

Compare to this image:

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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:29 PM
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35. We do not carry m16s any more. Went to the M4.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:01 PM
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29. Not.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:08 PM
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30. $20-30,000 per month private security
Military usually doesn't get the jobs protecting high profile officials.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:06 PM
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41. Could be special special forces, delta force, a ranger and a few
others.
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ElectricHermit Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:18 PM
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43. Agreed
Could be a Seal or other special OPS guy...
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:51 PM
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51. Not with that haircut, he couldn't!
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:46 AM
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59. Some Special Forces can have longer hair
today...
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 02:24 AM
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63. You are correct, my post was an out-of-date opinion.
Special Forces perform "special" missions...
And sometimes those missions require a "civilian" appearance.

Special forces do more than just "swim upriver at midnight" like in the movies...
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 02:27 AM
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64. "S'okay"
It's not your papa's military anymore, huh? :hi:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 02:57 AM
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65. It's not even my dad's WORLD anymore; I barely recognize it myself! nm
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 03:05 AM
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67. Delta force can grow beards, wear whatever the populace wears
blend in. There really is no way to tell who he is unless we ask him (and he wouldn't tell us).
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:21 PM
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44. At first I was going to answer of course he's armed.
But then I was wondering why you asked that when it is obvious. So I continued to look at the pic. You're right. That guy is not in military uniform (at least it doesn't look like he is) and don't they normally have short hair? Or maybe it's not a US soldier.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:27 PM
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45. There around 20K Mercs in Iraq paid for by
the Amerikan Middle Class, the very same group of Amerikans that the Bush Regime is destroying.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:37 PM
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46. merc scum.
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:40 PM
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47. Might be Delta Force.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 08:41 PM by lateo
But I doubt it. DF troops can look like civilians if they want.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:45 PM
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49. so how many lurking freeptards
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 08:46 PM by datasuspect
are using this picture to get off?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:48 PM
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50. No!
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:13 PM
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53. Definitely a merc
Not only more stylish, but better gear than our guys are issued.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:06 PM
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55. He's a mercenary. And one who's not going to live that
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 10:07 PM by Redstone
long, judging by the "hey, I'm a tough guy, get out of my way" look on his face.

The arrogant MFs who think they're hot shit are generally the ones who get it first.

Redstone
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:24 AM
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61. Probably Merc
Marine Security Guards probably have the most experience in VIP protection outside the Secret Service (Embassies, Nukes, etc), but he doesn't look like any Marine. I guess they could go to a civies to avoid the appearance of american control, but merc just seems to fit.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 05:51 AM
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69. So we're making progress, huh??
In order to attend a police graduation ceremony, Jaafari has to be escorted by MERCENARIES??

In how many 'democratic' countries in the world is this kind of show of force necessary? I know the chimperator needs huge security because so many people hate his guts, but this guy was just 'elected'.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 07:04 AM
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70. yes indeed, progress!
Evey single one of our US installed puppets uses US Tax dollar paid mercs for protection. Great message to send to the Iraqis eh?

Interestingly the deputy PM, Chalabi, uses his own force. Probably paid with all of that US cash Bremer gave him. :grr:
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 07:26 AM
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71. Is it just me, or do all the mercenaries look exactly the same?
It's almost as if they have a uniform all their own. Oakley sunglasses, armored fishing vest, short-barrel assault rifle.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 07:29 AM
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72. well they do in this pic...
courtesy of saigon68....

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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 07:31 AM
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73. That country sure looks secure!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:00 PM
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79. Murderer ... Psycho Killer with sunglasses
Well, that's what he looks like to me. :puke:

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tamtam Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:46 PM
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85. Where the hell is his cover?
Anyone who has ever been in the military knows you do not go outside without your cover. Since when did BDU's become so fashionable? I guess in Iraq anything goes.
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Comandante_Subzero Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:42 PM
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88. Sign Up Today - Big Bonuses
Job opportunities in Iraqistan. :)
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