Rush Limbaugh on Homosexuality

[bryant69]

This is from yesterdays show - as I thought, he didn't print the transcript, but surprisingly he did make an audio file of the conversation available. So I transcribed out the relevent section - although I did a pretty poor job, probably.

Rush: Nobody's against homosexuality. Well I guess some people are against it, but what Roberts did in this case, he took it pro-bono and helped the Supreme Court overturn a duly passed initiative in Colorado, an initiative which many people think was discriminatory towards Gays in the Workplace and in other circumstances. And if anything you could say "Hey, the guy believes in civil rights."

The LA Times is trying to draw this wedge between Roberts and the Conservative Movement in this country on the basis that he's pro gay, and I, Most Conservatives that I know don't care about . What people do in private is not a concern. It's when there is an attempt to impose it or sanction it as normal, this is where some people begin to have a problem with it. When they feel it is being force on them and they have to accept it, when they have deeply held beliefs against it, and the courts start siding against tradition and all that then people start getting concerned.

Ergo, here comes Roberts, he's going to be on the court, and he's a conservative nominee and therefore original intent of the constitution is supposed to be something that he adheres too, and then the LA Times comes out with this story. All I said was that this story is going to drive a wedge between some people on the conservative side.

Lisa - It probably will, and for me, I don't expect him to answer the question, but for me I think it would just be interesting if it came out that he was morally against homosexuality. It would prove that he is able to rule on cases according to law and not on personal opinion.

Rush - the thing about being morally opposed to homosexuality, I think that's an incorrect standard to apply to anybody, because I don't know too many people who think it's a choice. In some cases, where women have admitted it later on where they've chosen it after a life time of what have you, but it's rare. You can't say something that isn't a choice, uh attach moral and immoral to it.

If you want to listen to it - http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html It's next to a bullet named If Homosexuality is Not a Choice, Then Morality Isn't At Issue

Bryant
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[terrya]

1. Well, Rush....no one is "forcing" homosexuality on others.

Excuse me...where is this movement to "force" homosexuality on America? Please, help me understand that.

Gay people, such as myself, merely want to live our lives, openly, without being discriminated against. Is that what Rush baby is referring to? That we pesky homosexuals are being pushy and expecting equality...that we work, and pay taxes, and live by the rules and obey the law...just like Rush and his followers? Although, I might be stretching it a bit to think that Rush obeys the law. My bad.

I have a big, big problem with that part of his screed. But by God...I actually agreed with this one: "Rush - the thing about being morally opposed to homosexuality, I think that's an incorrect standard to apply to anybody, because I don't know too many people who think it's a choice. In some cases, where women have admitted it later on where they've chosen it after a life time of what have you, but it's rare. You can't say something that isn't a choice, uh attach moral and immoral to it". God help me, I agree with that. He's actually got that one right...no, it is NOT a choice. One can't attach questions of immoralty to something that isn't a choice. It's like saying someone left handed is immoral.

[bryant69]

3. That's the thing

To me it's worth it to listen to the origional to listen to him try to contort his body around all the positions he wants to take.

[genieroze]

16. It's like saying someone left handed is immoral.

They used to do that at one time. My dad was a southpaw and the teachers used to whack him if he used his left hand. More fundie values. They used to think the left hand was evil and therefor the work of the devil.

[ovidsen]

18. Blame it on the Romans

In Latin, sinister literally means on the left handed side. It also is used (in Latin) to refer to something considered evil or immoral.

"Thanks, Alex! I'll take etymology for 50, please..."

[jonkronz2003]

2. Two faced lying scum....

"It's when there is an attempt to impose it or sanction it as normal, this is where some people begin to have a problem with it."

So where's his argument against pushing creationism..........

[thebigidea]

4. suddenly the little prick is a libertarian! Nice try, junkie.

as if he wouldn't rant to hell and back about a "trial lawyer" Democrat working for gay rights groups. Prick!

[Swamp Rat]

5. What the HELL?

His brain must weigh 400 grams by now. Geaux maggots!!!

[sui generis]

6. yes but, choice or not

it's my damn body and my life.

I don't care if choosing to have green contact lenses or being born with green eyes is "flaunting it" for some people who hate the color green.

I'm not "imposing" by living my own life. They are prying by thinking they have an opinion about how I should live my life.

The premise is that they are somehow in a position to make a judgement about me, but imagine the outcry and outrage if I started a movement to not recognize heterosexual marriages or make it illegal to have sex in the missionary position, or allow heterosexuals to adopt or visit each other in the hospital or to fire someone for being straight.

Claiming moral authority about my eye color, by choice or by birth is completely irrelevant, and the same thing goes for who I want to wake up next to in the morning.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

7. he mentioned he wasn't sure if erosion was responsible for grand canyon

on yesterday's show he mentioned that he wasn't sure the grand canyon was formed due to erosion.

clearly he is a morong or pandering to the "god made everything 5000 years ago" crowd.

he is a weak man. no balls or brains.

[Todd B]

8. Like.. oh, I dunno...

What people do in private is not a concern. It's when there is an attempt to impose it or sanction it as normal, this is where some people begin to have a problem with it. When they feel it is being force on them and they have to accept it, when they have deeply held beliefs against it, and the courts start siding against tradition and all that then people start getting concerned.

Like.. oh, I don't know, prayer in school, or believing in creationism, or other religious beliefs?

Oops, sorry - had a brief moment of sanity. I'm off to go get reindoctrinated by the Department of Homeland Security. :)

[bryant69]

10. One question I've had about Rush over the last little bit

Is how much is he being influenced by his fans and by the growth of fundamentalist power. I get the impression Rush would be most satisfied as a libertarian republican - certainly in favor of big corporations stomping on all the rest of us, but ok with smoking drinking and screwing around. But as his audience has skewed pious, he's forced to follow them, leading to the sort of mental gymnastics on display today.

[Prism]

9. *scratches head*

I give up, lol.

When Rush Limbaugh is beginning to repeat core messages of the gay rights movement, you know four horsemen will be galloping through the town square any second now.

I'm putting all my money into canned food and shotguns.

[SoFlaJet]

11. LOL

"you know four horsemen will be galloping through the town square any second now."

classic pretty good one from Prism the newbie LOL really good

[msongs]

12. gee why can't rush keep a wife? why do all his wimmen LEAVE him?

could he be in the closet? could he be unable to relate to real people on an emotional level? etc.

Msongs
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[kentuck]

13. Is this a 180 by Rush ?

Why?

[kweerwolf]

23. Are you saying Rush is flip-flopping on homosexuals?

Eeeeewwwwwww! That image is sooooooo wrong on so many levels!

[SalmonChantedEvening]

14. So, according to the OxyMoran

Nobody's against homosexuality, as long as it's looked upon as abnormal and that homosexuals remain societal pariahs.
huhwhatwhofuckno?

I'm sorry, I was stoned from 1974 to 1990 and I never had a thought THIS fucked up.

[Tsiyu]

19. Think about it

He could be one of those guys who likes illicit sex. If it's naughty and dirty, it must be good. If you have to do it in secret, all the better.

If all people are allowed to love whom they wish, openly and without any discrimination from others, the whole "secret, bad" rush is GONE. PLus the concept of "acceptable in private, derided and demonized in public" fits with their sociopathic, criminal, manipulative manner as human beings.

Lying and hiding things and not walking the talk are hallmarks of the very best Repukes...

[SalmonChantedEvening]

20. We'll know for sure once the Daryn Kagan tell-all book comes out.

That being said, I agree completely. The taboo is the (pun unavoidable) rush they seek, and to legitimize the vice would kill their need for it, and in an odd way, what they see as their right to it.

A repeat of the Victorian idea that only the upper classes were able to view and appreciate pornography, and that the masses were unfit, unprepared and most importantly, undeserving to view such things.

[Tsiyu]

22. Really wacko folks, no doubt

It's almost like a form of schizophrenia, but instead of the whole world conspiring against you, they are bowing down and granting you your every whim because you are SOOOO special: The Divine Right of Kings and all that rot.

And we thought the Constitution put that ol' King George and every other king in his place...

[SalmonChantedEvening]

25. Terry Pratchett makes several mentions of the term 'privilege'

In his Discworld series, and how it's Latin root is 'private law.'

One set of laws for the commoners, and a set of private laws for those who believe themselves to be their betters.

[politick]

21. Lol

1974-1990: Those were very good years...

Have you heard that joke about the monestary where everyone had taken a vow of silence? Ends with "Some monk chanted 'evening'"?

[SalmonChantedEvening]

26. Based on what other folks tell me, they sure were!!

;)

[warrens]

15. Rush is worried that his bust in the 70s for soliciting will come out

In Pittsburgh, under the name Jeff Christy. Paid a fine, got fired, left town. Unfortunately, that was before computers. Someone would have to spend days digging through old citations to find it.

[mithnanthy]

24. He's Jeff Christy...

.....and he marries "beards". What a fraud.

[Terran]

17. I am shocked!

Intelligent discourse on Rush's show? That's simply amazing.

Saw a thread on this yesterday and assumed that Rushboy just misread his script or something on the "choice or not" issue, but reading the transcript, it sounds like he actually believes this to be true. And I have to say, it sounds like some kind of wisdom acquired late in life, perhaps because he is facing up to something in himself.

I have no love or respect for this man whatsoever, but then again, people can and do change. If the biggest right-wing douchebag on the planet has a moral conversion at this late date, I *could* respect him for that. We'll see.

[Flying Dream Blues]

27. Hmm...do you think he is afraid

someone will out him? So he's softening his stance so as not to look like such a hypocrite? This sure doesn't sound like Rush...keep us posted, I can't stomach listening to him myself. I'm afraid my head will explode, literally, I get so mad.

[bryant69]

28. I can only take him in small doses -

just happened to catch this as I was driving back to work.

Bryant
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[bhunt70]

29. The absolutely most funny thing about Rush Limbaugh on the defensive is...

after years of him leading the talk radio market, branding a new style of talk radio and political "discourse", and basically molding the way many people even think about politics (personally and professionally), he now gets defensive about divisive tactics used against his base.

The whole world has caught up with you Rush and they are armed the same as you are.