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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:25 AM
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my mother is taking the nephews to see 'ground zero'
and she's so fucking excited for it too.

this is aLso the woman who occasionaLLy tries to get me to come over to the dark side by spouting, "they hate us for our freedoms" and "someday you'LL wise up and reaLize they have no respect for Life" and yadda, yadda, yadda about "they" - an amorphous entity of aL-queda, iraq, brown-skinned foLks, and the french.

i know she aLready freeperizes the poor kids, and i can't heLp but think this is more of the same. i know the oLdest boy has said that "arabs are bad peopLe" and that "he wishes they were dead".
granted, this was maybe 2-3 years ago or so, but where the fuck wouLd a 10 year oLd even know such things?

they're going to NY specificaLLy to see ground zero. no other reason.
is it strange to bring an 12, 7 and 4 year oLd on trip to see ground zero?

way to scar the kids mom.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:27 AM
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1. "You see this??? This is what President Bush and his aides allowed to
happen...."
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:28 AM
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2. Ask her if she signed their little asses up yet......
Tell them "Pick up a gun and go fight kiddies if you're so gung-ho about it. Don't be a puss and wait until your drafted".
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:30 AM
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3. Send him to this link
http://www.bushflash.com/idiot

My 10 year old nephew loves this video.

:evilgrin:
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:32 AM
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4. I've made the pilgrimage to ground zero
There's so much stuff to do in NYC though; if one is going simply to do that, they're missing out on a *lot* of cool shit.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:34 AM
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6. weLL, of course there's shit to do
she's taking the boys there, because "they need to see it".

i just find it odd and creepy, that that is their soLe reason and destination. i can onLy imagine what she's going to pump into them on this trip.

a fucking 4 y.o. though?
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:36 AM
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7. She probably thinks it's otherwise a liberal rathole......
....with nothing of worth there.....
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:32 AM
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5. Ground zero is a hole in the ground.
It's a construction site.

The only remnants of the attacks are some scarred buildings around the site, and the cross from the structural steel.

There's a lot of pictures around the site, but it's just that. A hole in the ground.

Tell her to make sure she crosses Canal St. and goes shopping at Century 21.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:39 AM
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8. Look kids, a fence
that's where the iraqi-french first attacked us. now cry.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:43 AM
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9. She should go to DC & review the Constitution.
What do the kids parents say? Are they wingnuts too? Do they know the oldest is saying Arabs are bad & wishes they were dead?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:47 AM
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11. i don't know what my sister
and bro-inLaw think. :shrug:

i'd Like to think they're not Like that. we're not cLose.

the oLdest has said that he wants his parents dead, and that he hates them and that they hate him, etc... so saying peopLe are bad and that he wants them dead doesn't move me much on him... he says shit Like that. not heaLthy, but true. (he's kind of a basketcase) :shrug:
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politick Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:46 AM
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10. I live in NY
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 10:47 AM by politick
and have been there a couple times. Once right after 9-11. You could still smell that odd, chemical odor. Reminded me of a burnt clutch and poison. There was a solemn feeling then as the dust was -- literally -- still settling. I went back a year or so later, and it was disgusting. Chubby tourists were clamoring for photo ops with their disposable cameras, oversized USA t-shirts and fanny packs bobbing up and down, smiling broadly for the camera like it was a tourist attraction or a ride at Disney. Two street peddlers almost got into a fist fight over standing rights to sell their cheap photos of the towers. (One was a great big fat white guy, the other of indeterminate Mideastern descent.) And, hysterically, an Arab man was selling cheap cameras right outside the viewing area. I saw an affluent white dude smoking a cigar buy one from him. It made my head spin.

It was one of the worst experiences I've ever had in NY. Actually made me feel sick. I haven't been back since.

(Edited for html)
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:48 AM
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12. Good lord........
....that just sounds so depressing. And yet typical.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:49 AM
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14. I used to live across the street
and I totally agree with you.

I went there allot to think in the beginning (I could smell the smell through my vents in my apt.)
It really had the feeling of "everyone is gone". I felt very emotional when I went.


Now it's a big tourist attraction with merchandise for sale everywhere (people actually sell photos of the towers burning all over the place)
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:26 AM
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18. My daughter and I went in March of 2002
which was still close enough. It was still very somber then. St. Paul's still had all the flowers, pictures, signs on the fences then. You are right, there was still a grey dust settling over everything. You could feel it under your shoes and on your skin.

I do not know how the workers were able to stay at that site in the days and weeks after and NOT become sick. I lived about 30 miles from Ground Zero on 9/11. When the winds shifted, we got the stench 2 days later. It was horrible. A greenish/yellow haze hung in the air. It burned your eyes and throat and make you cough.

As somebody else said, there are far more things to see in Manhattan. I am sure by now Ground Zero has just become a tourist trap, unfortunately.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:49 AM
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13. Someone ought to tell her it's not a movie with Mel Gibson.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:51 AM
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15. Well, you can have a little talk with them (before and after)
Explain to them that your mother is insane, like many Americans right now (no offense). I don't know dude... inform them somehow. Play "War Pigs" by Black Sabbath or a Rob Zombie vid and then have a discussion about how making war is evil. :shrug:

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TomPainesBones Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:52 AM
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16. Many New Yorkers
despise how 'Ground Zero' has become nothing more than a tourist attraction. No offense, but your description of your mother's desire to see it sickens me to be honest. And it's all too common. I saw the towers fall from the rooftop of my apartment building on the Lower East Side. I haven't been to that area yet and I still refuse to do so. It's too difficult. I saw enough on that day.

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:24 AM
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17. Our school travelled there to see Ground Zero
Here's what they said.

"Strong gusts of wind blew all day long. Some said it was a sign of more trouble, while others said it was a sign of the angels of the deceased flying around. It was a day of mourning, yet people were carrying on like it was any other day. At the exact minute, when the world changed, service began at St. Peter's Cathedral. It was a beautiful service. Our school was present to sing as a part of the service for that day. The people there were praying for God to watch over everyone as well as help their loved ones gete their wings. After the service, we walked out of the church and heard the names being read off. As we walked down to Ground Zero, where the World Trade Center once stood, people were crowding the streets and sidewalks; some crying and some comforting. Flags in the sky, pictures, flowers, and posters covered walls, buildings, fences, and telephone poles. Across the street from Ground Zero was where we stood, listening to the names still being read off one by one. Those people were being recognized for the things they did before their lives came to a tragic end. Before out eyes, firemen and policemen from all over the world were walking in a loose formation in the streets, as a symbol of respect to their fellow friends, co-workers, and fellow family members of their departments who lost their lives. We were given the chance to sing twice for the people who were present. We gathered together, hands in hands, as one big family. People stared for a few minutes. We began to sing "I Will Not Leave You Comfortless," most of us with tears streaming down our faces. We sang it once more. I saw that a couple of policemen stopped in front of us, took their hats off and held it to their hearts and cried. I saw them cry and I began to cry even more. After we were done singing, we immediately turned and hugged and cried on the person next to us."

"We left the deli and walked to the corner. There we sang again, this time for the people coming out of the "pit." As we were singing, I watched these two cops, they stopped, lowered their hats, and while listening to us sing, they started crying. Seeing two grown men ... stand in front of you and cry because of something you're doing is amazing! The words in our song were: "I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you yet again."We gave our best when we sang then and we were better than ever; every word was straight from the heart, and these people saw that. This is an experience of a lifetime because not only were we there for the one year anniversary, but in my eyes, we actually made a difference by being there."

"Overall, I know this trip is one I will never in my lifetime forget. It was such a great opportunity I got to experience and am so thankful I could participate in. This was actually the most emotional time of my life, too. I am not a person to show my negative emotions much at all. But when it comes to something like this, I learned now that I definitely do! I thought it was so interesting that on September 11, our school turned into a family. Students were hugging, crying, and supporting not only their best friends, but just anyone that looked in need of some care. All the different cliques and groups all dissipated, and everyone just went to anyone in need. It was like the natural human instinct took over. I know in my personal experience, there was someone new to our school this year. I had only casually talked to him a few times before the trip, like a "hi, how you doin'" kind of thing. Then on September 11, I was walking with some friends, very emotional and upset. He came up and comforted me, and helped me out the rest of the day. He went out of his way to help someone he barely even knew, when he could have been with his friends. I think a time like that can really bring people together to help one another."

"We heard violins starting to play so our chaperones took us outside. Even though New York is a very busy and noisy city, when we walked outside it seemed as if the whole city was in a moment of silence; I didn't even hear a car horn. There were hundreds of people on the street but no one was talking, all you could hear was feet shuffling, the wind blowing, and the melancholy violins playing the National Anthem. Hearing those violins play so sadly really made me want to cry. It was hard not to. As we walked on the street, we saw the families of the victims walking down the middle of the street. We saw a policeman and told him why we were there and he asked us to sing for them. The policeman moved the barricades and let us come into the street; we all started to sing for the families. When we were done, the policeman asked us to sing it again, because more families were still coming, so we did. My mom was there and she said we sounded like angels. After we were done, we all started to cry. We hugged each other, it was so sad."

"We ate lunch at a Deli that overlooked the services. We met with firemen and policemen from around the world who had come to show their respect. We had three Scottish policemen come visit with us. I was in awe as they took my hand and hugged me and apologized for the sadness out country has endured. At that moment, my fear of the future faded a little. To know that people who do not even know us, care so much gives me hope that the world will get through this with love."
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:28 AM
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19. I can see it out my office window.
Everyone who comes to NYC wants to see it, I really cant understand why. Seeing an empty lot and a big fence doesnt really give you any extra perspective on it

There are some exhibits in the church accross the street though.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:38 AM
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20. i've sat in traffic next to it quite a few times
i never even noticed it was ground zero.

madasheLLnewyorker pointed it out to me one day. otherwise i just wouLd have thought it was a construction site.

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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:54 AM
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21. Two better choices...
As others have said, the WTC site is a construction site these days. If you were familiar with the pre-9/11 area, there are some things you can pick out; otherwise it's a big hole with a temporary train station in it. It's better than it used to be (the vendors selling crap have been mostly moved to less visible area on the sides), but there are still too many idiots around, and your mom sounds like she plans to add to that.

For something more solemn, try:
1) St. Paul's Chapel (http://www.saintpaulschapel.org/), which is right across the street. The Chapel served as a relief station for the rescue/salvage workers, and keeps a display of many of the tokens of support they received from around the world. (Teach the boys what * squandered). The chapel is also historical in its own right (George Washington went to church there for the few years NYC served as the nation's capital), and many of those buried in the yard are Revolutionary war veterans (including the highest-ranking Frenchman to aide the Revolution buried on US soil).

2) I kid you not: Madame Toussade's Wax Museum up on 42nd St. In one of the rooms they have several dummies of firemen posed with a flag-draped litter/stretcher, based on one of the more famous photos; it kind of took me by surprise the way I choked up seeing that "live" again. And aside from that and presidents and other historical figures, the kids can have their picture taken with The Hulk and generally have a more interesting time than what it sounds like your mother has planned.
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